The trend of refusing to debate.

[Natta Lmo]

but how would you know, your not part of the visible minority according to Avskildhet as a part of the asian identity and asian supremacy in those nations you arnt subjected to the same things non asian minority's are.

lol... u think japanese cant tell people from southeast asia apart from japanese people? ^^

[downnola]

its only your point reiterated out you, if its inane then that tells you exactly the quality of your point.

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"Anarcho-capitalism is a political philosophy and school of anarchist thought " what more do you want.

For you to read the bullshit you tried to link me like it was scripture.

"Most anarchists argue that certain capitalist transactions are not voluntary and that maintaining the class structure of a capitalist society requires coercion, which violates anarchist principles."

[Monster Hunter]

lol... there is barely any xenophobia or racism in japan... i am from thailand and never had any problems there... everyone talks about how racist they are to foreigners but its not true... u just listen to internet gospel... i have more problems here for being ethnic lao than i had in japan for being from thailand...

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For you to read the bullshit you tried to link me like it was scripture.

"Most anarchists argue that certain capitalist transactions are not voluntary and that maintaining the class structure of a capitalist society requires coercion, which violates anarchist principles."

then go argue with the people in who authored the books and citations and get it changed. took you a fucking while to get here but im glad you finally got the point.

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lol... u think japanese cant tell people from southeast asia apart from japanese people? ^^

i cant. why do you think they can? btw you kind of proving my point here. if you read up you would notice that im throwing Avskildhet own argument back at her so you disagreeing with it affirms my point.

its not an argument id lose any way as i have a whole bunch of links prepped showing racist anti korean slogans sprayed on walls in japan and china. which is the point i was making at the start that europe is like asia where nationalism is more important to the far right than race.

[Natta Lmo]

i cant. why do you think they can?

because we look different...

look in the image thread... u can see the differences... u can see @De thuong is vietnamese... u can see @Jinro is korean... compare them to me... we look different...

[Kardagh]

Just going by the fiery and vitriolic reactions to the OP merely presenting a question is evident enough that wrongthink is real.

"I'm hostile? NO UR HOSTILE."

It's another sign of the ever shrinking rational centrist ground being consumed by lunatics (on both ends of the spectrum I might add, although certainly more openly on the left) in favour of feels before reals.

[downnola]

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then go argue with the people in who authored the books and citations and get it changed. took you a fucking while to get here but im glad you finally got the point.

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i cant. why do you think they can? btw you kind of proving my point here. if you read up you would notice that im throwing Avskildhet own argument back at her so you disagreeing with it affirms my point.

its not an argument id lose any way as i have a whole bunch of links prepped showing racist anti korean slogans sprayed on walls in japan and china. which is the point i was making at the start that europe is like asia where nationalism is more important to the far right than race.

They're not in this thread talking about right-wing "anarchism." You are.

[Monster Hunter]

They're not in this thread talking about right-wing "anarchism." You are.

no i was posting links to accepted right wing anarchist philosophy's. your the one arguing and talking about it, specifically from a position with the lesser academic sources. i posted a link showing 2 of the many accepted right wing political anarchist theory's to show anarchism exists at the extreme's of both ends, you the one who got there jimmies all rustled over it and trying to start a debate. some thing i declined to have with you because i know your just gonna act like trotskyite trying to tell me stalinist arnt real communists and ill just be sat there lining to the works and you wont provide any evidence but some anecdotal shit you did in the past as evidence for you own points, then one of us will go to bed and still the accepted stance will be there are right wing anarchist philosophy's, nothing will change because you don't have the power or respect to change it.

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because we look different...

look in the image thread... u can see the differences... u can see @De thuong is vietnamese... u can see @Jinro is korean... compare them to me... we look different...

do you ? but youre both asian how can you look different /sarcasm @Avskildhet how can this be.......................... hoooow can you tell i koran from a japanese person or a Vietnamese person ????? when duer alll dah same race??? why are japanese people spray painting anti korean stuff on walls when there the same race ????? is it possible like europe they also place national identity first on there far right ????

[Freighter]

is it possible like europe they also place national identity first on there far right ????

No, they put ethnicity first.

[Monster Hunter]

No, they put ethnicity first.

yea totally thats why the welsh and Scottish don't get discriminated against.....oh wait.
or north Korean escapes in south Korea...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism...ia#South_Korea

ethnicity and national identity are deeply tied in the far right nationalism often they even invent ethnicity's to fit there narratives.

for example

The genetic difference between any of the three groups is less than 1% of their total genetic diversity, which is much smaller than that between any of the groups and a European population (~10%). Accordingly, the three groups separated from each other from their recent common ancestor only 3,000 ~ 3,600 years ago, roughly corresponding to the Shang Dynasty in Chinese history.

These estimations based on genomic data indicate Han Chinese, Japanese and Korean people are genetically closely-related and derived their ancestry from a common gene pool.

- source https://blogs.biomedcentral.com/on-b...600-years-ago/

there is less than 1% difference between a Korean and a Japanese person for all intense and purpose there the same ethnicity biologicaly

[Freighter]

yea totally thats why the welsh and Scottish don't get discriminated against.....oh wait.
or north Korean escapes in south Korea...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism...ia#South_Korea

ethnicity and national identity are deeply tied in the far right nationalism often they even invent ethnicity's to fit there narratives.

North Koreans get citizenship here as a result of ethnic nationalism, they're Korean. We're one people in the eyes of ethnic nationalism. They don't get refugee status here.

[Mister Cheese]

Jesus fucking christ you all are so goddamn whiny.

The OP asks why people refuse to debate and the first posts proves why.

[Monster Hunter]

North Koreans get citizenship here as a result of ethnic nationalism, they're Korean. We're one people in the eyes of ethnic nationalism. They don't get refugee status here.

they still face discrimination: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ant-to-go-back

also see my edit. theres less than 1% difference between Koreans and Japanese, biologically you are the same ethnicity, theres more genetic difference between me and a scotish person 70 miles away than you and a Japanese person. far right nationalism invents these fake nation based ethnicity's to push its narrative.

[Sunseeker]

The OP asks why people refuse to debate and the first posts proves why.

Because we're tried of responding to the same whiny bullshit where someone throws out a bunch of made-up garbage and then demands we prove their fantasies are wrong?

Yeah. Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean it's worth debating.

[Freighter]

they still face discrimination: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ant-to-go-back

also see my edit. theres less than 1% difference between Koreans and Japanese, biologically you the same ethnicity, theres more genetic difference between me and a scotish person 70 miles away than you and a Japanese person. far right nationalism invents these fake nation based ethnicity's to push its narrative.

Yes, so? That doesn't mean that's a result of the policies of the state. A lot of people face discrimination here for various reasons.

The far right isn't what's responsible for the ethnic nationalism that permeates Korean society. That's the left-wing. We don't really have a far right like the European countries far right parties, at most it's some people posting on ilbe who have no political power at all.

[Monster Hunter]

Because we're tried of responding to the same whiny bullshit where someone throws out a bunch of made-up garbage and then demands we prove their fantasies are wrong?

Yeah. Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean it's worth debating.

in science theres a thing called a "right to an opinion" its a basic check in that if some one wants to engage in debate they need to hold at least a certain level of study and qualification in a subject before there opinion is taken with any level of seriousness. and honestly i have come around to agreeing with that, by all means post links to sources who pass that test, but to any one who says i disagree this is my opinion then my simple new answer is "fuck off" unless you have sources that pass the "right to an opinion" or can prove you have the relevant qualifications and level of study to pass it your self im no longer interested in any opinions a person has.

[Sunseeker]

in science theres a thing called a "right to an opinion" its a basic check in that if some one wants to engage in debate they need to hold at least a certain level of study and qualification in a subject before there opinion is taken with any level of seriousness. and honestly i have come around to agreeing with that, by all means post links to sources who pass that test, but to any one who says i disagree this is my opinion then my simple new answer is "fuck off" unless you have sources that pass the "right to an opinion" or can prove you have the relevant qualifications and level of study to pass it your self im no longer interested in any opinions a person has.

Okay, so that's a pretty verbose way of saying "Having an opinion doesn't mean your opinion holds weight." yes?

[Monster Hunter]

Yes, so? That doesn't mean that's a result of the policies of the state.

The far right isn't what's responsible for the ethnic nationalism that permeates Korean society. That's the left-wing. We don't really have a far right like the European countries far right parties, at most it's some people posting on ilbe who have no political power at all.

be careful saying there here, you will trigger gilrak.

but yea its called ethno-nationalism for a reason, and you highlighting the point im trying to get to that i was trying to point out to @Avskildhet the problem in europe, in america and in asia have similar symptoms but there fundamentally different at the source, you cant use an american narrative and there tactics which work on there heavily race based black/white divisions and apply them to Europe and the far east. in america nationalism springs from racism, they are primarily racist. in Europe the racism comes from hyper nationalism, its the other way round, so if you try to tackle the European far right like you try and tackle the KKK in america you wont find any success because you would just be handling a symptom not the root cause, like if you tackled the nationalism primarily in america and not the racism it comes from.

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Okay, so that's a pretty verbose way of saying "Having an opinion doesn't mean your opinion holds weight." yes?

basically. the weight is defined by a persons credibility in that field.

so for example my word on economic theory can be dismissed, but i have alot of qualifications and knowledge in processor architecture so my opinion on that has intrinsic weight.

[Zython]

Which is also untrue. Provided you are going into a formal debate (which also was obviously never the topic at hand), you are going to prepare not only for your side, but also for the other side. Ideally you will bring sources that can be followed along with or observed at a later time, these are also known as references. Only a supreme idiot would walk into a formal debate unprepared, and only an even more stupid person would spout blatant lies that can be cross-checked later. If you want to talk about a real formal debate, you will have observers who also know of the topic as well as a moderator to keep you in line. What you are suggesting would be career suicide.

What? No, you can't just pull out a briefcase full of studies confirming your point in a formal debate. Again, outside aides aren't allowed. And formal debates have moderators, whose purpose is to ensure that time is equitably distributed. They aren't fact-checkers. Sure, you can know what lies they're going to pull and say they aren't true, but that's, at best, an exercise of he said/she said. And that's ignoring that the liar is going to have biases and compelling fiction on their side.

Have...have you ever watched a debate?

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lol... there is barely any xenophobia or racism in japan... i am from thailand and never had any problems there... everyone talks about how racist they are to foreigners but its not true... u just listen to internet gospel... i have more problems here for being ethnic lao than i had in japan for being from thailand...

H...have you talked to any Chinese or Koreans living there? Or any Ainu?

[Puzzlesocks]

What? No, you can't just pull out a briefcase full of studies confirming your point in a formal debate. Again, outside aides aren't allowed. And formal debates have moderators, whose purpose is to ensure that time is equitably distributed. They aren't fact-checkers. Sure, you can know what lies they're going to pull and say they aren't true, but that's, at best, an exercise of he said/she said. And that's ignoring that the liar is going to have biases and compelling fiction on their side.

Have...have you ever watched a debate?

Can you read through https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate and tell me exactly which style of formal debate you are even talking about? Many styles use debate teams, most styles allow notes and significant preparation time, and all forms of public debate are going to have people after the fact checking you for accuracy and monitoring for logical fallacies, sometimes for years/decades after the debate happens. I'm quite familiar with debate and have taken part in formal debate before. Though at least with formal debate I had to worry about what my opposition might say, you aren't even worth the time to prepare with such shallow and off-topic rebuttals.

Do you feel like discussing why people like yourself refuse to offer evidence or have a concrete platform yet? I really am honestly interested in why someone would waste their time talking about things they understand nothing about. Or why instead of actually listening or learning about another viewpoint, they feel the need to insult the person who disagrees with their stance? You could learn a lot from Daryl Davis.

[Zython]

Can you read through https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate and tell me exactly which style of formal debate you are even talking about? Many styles use debate teams, most styles allow notes and significant preparation time, and all forms of public debate are going to have people after the fact checking you for accuracy and monitoring for logical fallacies, sometimes for years/decades after the debate happens.

Here's the thing. By that point, it's too late. The lie has already taken hold. People will believe it if it's not rebutted immediately. There's a famous quote about this.

A lie travels around the globe while the truth is putting on its shoes.

I'm quite familiar with debate and have taken part in formal debate before. Though at least with formal debate I had to worry about what my opposition might say, you aren't even worth the time to prepare with such shallow and off-topic rebuttals.

Oh yeah. For sure. You're a real master debater.

Do you feel like discussing why people like yourself refuse to offer evidence or have a concrete platform yet?

Care to explain why you hold me to higher standards than everyone else here?

I really am honestly interested in why someone would waste their time talking about things they understand nothing about. Or why instead of actually listening or learning about another viewpoint, they feel the need to insult the person who disagrees with their stance?

I'm curious, too. Please, enlighten me.