Russian intel planted fake report that Seth Rich was killed by assassins for Clinton

[ati87]

Imagine if Libya had Russian.

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Technically Aegis installations in Romania and Poland are in violation of INF treaty (being launch platforms).

Right, same "civilians" that immediately shot one of pilots after they ejected?

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Of course. Also, jet entering Turkish airspace is dubious claim. As do "warnings".

See last drone shootdown by Iran too - that apparently was sufficient to authorize stikes on Iran (that was pulled back at last moment). Despite Iran claiming it was in their airspace.

Of course it's attack. You don't have to escalate every attack all the way to war, obviously.

But it shows that yes, attack is possible (for various reasons), and so any base around Russian borders is valid source of concerns, and not just Russian paranoia.

Noone attacked anyone there.

What has the bases in whatever country have to do with Russians entering Turkey with a military plain to commit crimes against humanity in another country?
Whatboutism at it's best

[Kaleredar]

Well it might have been true. We still don't know who killed the guy and why; so it might be possible.

Maybe he was killed by a magical leprechaun.


It might be true. We still don't know who killed the guy and why; so it might be possible.

[Masark]

Thats very true, whats also true is that Assange announced he had the DNC emails 2 months before Mueller claims Russia gave them to him. So Mueller's timeline is 2 months off.

Only if you presume Assange is telling the truth.

[breslin]

Only if you presume Assange is telling the truth.

So he lied about having the DNC emails only to get them from Russians months later? That's a yikes from me dawg

[Shalcker]

What has the bases in whatever country have to do with Russians entering Turkey with a military plain to commit crimes against humanity in another country?

It is example of attack by NATO country on Russia. Showing that those things become less and less "unthinkable" over time, and therefore bases becoming more of a concern over time as well.

Thinking of Turkey as defender of human rights in that case is laughable beyond belief.

[ati87]

It is example of attack by NATO country on Russia. Showing that those things become less and less "unthinkable" over time, and therefore bases becoming more of a concern over time as well.

Thinking of Turkey as defender of human rights in that case is laughable beyond belief.

#Whataboutism right.

[Crispin]

Imagine if Libya had Russian.

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Technically Aegis installations in Romania and Poland are in violation of INF treaty (being launch platforms).

Right, same "civilians" that immediately shot one of pilots after they ejected?

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Of course. Also, jet entering Turkish airspace is dubious claim. As do "warnings".

See last drone shootdown by Iran too - that apparently was sufficient to authorize stikes on Iran (that was pulled back at last moment). Despite Iran claiming it was in their airspace.

Of course it's attack. You don't have to escalate every attack all the way to war, obviously.

But it shows that yes, attack is possible (for various reasons), and so any base around Russian borders is valid source of concerns, and not just Russian paranoia.

Noone attacked anyone there.

You’re all over the place as usual. Your poor arguments is forcing you to switch subject constantly. What does Iran have to do with the OP? Nada.

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It is example of attack by NATO country on Russia. Showing that those things become less and less "unthinkable" over time, and therefore bases becoming more of a concern over time as well.

Thinking of Turkey as defender of human rights in that case is laughable beyond belief.

And just incase you’d wonder. US bases have nothing to do with the fact that Turkey rightfully defended its airspace from a foreign bomber not responding to warnings. I guess Russia would do the same, altho I doubt they’d dare it.

[Shalcker]

You’re all over the place as usual. Your poor arguments is forcing you to switch subject constantly. What does Iran have to do with the OP? Nada.

What do American bases have to do with topic? Nada. Yet you still commented on that part.

And just incase you’d wonder. US bases have nothing to do with the fact that Turkey rightfully defended its airspace from a foreign bomber not responding to warnings. I guess Russia would do the same, altho I doubt they’d dare it.

No, US bases have everything to do with Turkey feeling sufficiently bold to actually shoot plane down over two-second fly-over on contested strip of land rather then double down on warnings.

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#Whataboutism right.

Every country looks at what over countries are doing and act according to their interests.

And, as it happens, US/NATO and Russian interests rarely fully align, even on points like fighting terrorism - regardless of any "human rights" veneer of respectability (and Russia has plenty of that in Syria too).

[Fincayra]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...ng-for-clinton



So that whole Seth Rich conspiracy that was pushed by conservative media, including Fox who had to pull an article on it because it was so terrible, wasn't just "FAKE NEWS" that conservative media love to decry, but it was also fucking Russian propaganda. Also, more proof that Wikileaks is largely just a propaganda arm of the Russian government.

But Russia is friend, not foe, apparently.

I never really bought into this particular conspiracy theory, and thanks to this article, I'm pretty glad I didn't. The only thing that I'm left wondering is why it took this long to come out as being russian propaganda.

[Crispin]

What do American bases have to do with topic? Nada. Yet you still commented on that part.

No, US bases have everything to do with Turkey feeling sufficiently bold to actually shoot plane down over two-second fly-over on contested strip of land rather then double down on warnings.

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Every country looks at what over countries are doing and act according to their interests.

And, as it happens, US/NATO and Russian interests rarely fully align, even on points like fighting terrorism - regardless of any "human rights" veneer of respectability (and Russia has plenty of that in Syria too).

And I wrote that the “Russia is surrounded” is a complete invalid argument on this topic, yet you decided to reply and double down on a already stupid argument.

And apparently continue your nonsense after coming to the conclusion that its irrelevant, well done, back to ignore with you shill.

[ipaq]

Pretty simple.

Everything said by Republican and their supporters is propaganda. Until proven otherwise.

Never saw a single group of fucking liars since the so-self-named "China People's Party".

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...ng-for-clinton



So that whole Seth Rich conspiracy that was pushed by conservative media, including Fox who had to pull an article on it because it was so terrible, wasn't just "FAKE NEWS" that conservative media love to decry, but it was also fucking Russian propaganda. Also, more proof that Wikileaks is largely just a propaganda arm of the Russian government.

But Russia is friend, not foe, apparently.

[Shalcker]

And I wrote that the “Russia is surrounded” is a complete invalid argument on this topic, yet you decided to reply and double down on a already stupid argument.

Why are you trying to invalidate something which is perfectly true?

Yes, Russia is "surrounded" by NATO bases which are perfectly valid source of concerns, and Russia was attacked by NATO member enhancing validity of that particular concern even further.

Going back on topic, still no evidence of that "SVR plot" gaining any traction over domestic US conspiracy theories.

[ati87]

Why are you trying to invalidate something which is perfectly true?

Yes, Russia is "surrounded" by NATO bases which are perfectly valid source of concerns, and Russia was attacked by NATO member enhancing validity of that particular concern even further.

Going back on topic, still no evidence of that "SVR plot" gaining any traction over domestic US conspiracy theories.

Maybe Russia should try to start making friends instead of making enemies?

All countries that are close proximity to Russia are afraid of an Russian invasion and have a bad history of Russian/USSR aggression. Russia till today has never even tried to make any allies.

[Shalcker]

Maybe Russia should try to start making friends instead of making enemies?

We tried; they prefer being enemies if they cannot get submission, and modern West certainly cannot be trusted with any submission scenario, so that's a no go.

All countries that are close proximity to Russia are afraid of an Russian invasion and have a bad history of Russian/USSR aggression. Russia till today has never even tried to make any allies.

Patently false. Many attempts were made.

Everyone is still afraid of German domination in EU as you see in local threads and had bad history with their invasions and aggressions; yet you cannot say that they "never tried to make friends" based on that.

Trying doesn't mean always succeeding if your enemies keep propping anti-Russian forces and sabotaging Russian friendly projects.

[Swarmyman]

Even as unlikely as it is, though the truth will come out soon after Assange is extradited to America. This is more evidence to the contrary then your source less article, think of the context anyway you want but it comes from the horses mouth and that is 100%.

[Templar 331]

Even as unlikely as it is, though the truth will come out soon after Assange is extradited to America. This is more evidence to the contrary then your source less article, think of the context anyway you want but it comes from the horses mouth and that is 100%.

And this is what exactly?

[ati87]

We tried; they prefer being enemies if they cannot get submission, and modern West certainly cannot be trusted with any submission scenario, so that's a no go.

Patently false. Many attempts were made.

Everyone is still afraid of German domination in EU as you see in local threads and had bad history with their invasions and aggressions; yet you cannot say that they "never tried to make friends" based on that.

Trying doesn't mean always succeeding if your enemies keep propping anti-Russian forces and sabotaging Russian friendly projects.

When did Russia ever tried to make any attempt of being a more friendly neighbour? Putten has been in power since 2000 and the Soviet Union ended in 91....the period in which they tried wasn't really long now was it.

Your so called enemies don't really have to put out allot of anti Russian propaganda, Russia is doing a great job on it's own.

[Shalcker]

When did Russia ever tried to make any attempt of being a more friendly neighbour?

From 80s. Allowed German reunification and all.

Putten has been in power since 2000 and the Soviet Union ended in 91....the period in which they tried wasn't really long now was it.

Putin tried to be friend as well for first two terms - even though he was already pretty disillusioned by the end of second one, but it looked like he was willing to try it with a different face - and Medvedev was so friendly he even abstained on Libya - and Obama got his Security Council authorization on that... which was horribly abused.

Your so called enemies don't really have to put out allot of anti Russian propaganda, Russia is doing a great job on it's own.

And neither does RT need to invent anything, nowdays it can just report stories like "children die in US concentration camps" straight.

[Aenigma84]

Stephen Kotkin is a Princeton history professor who's written 4 huge books on Stalin. He knows the Russians pretty well.

yet stalin wasnt russian
so maybe he knows georgians pretty well

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This “RUSSIA IS SURROUNDED!” argument is old. No idea what the point ever was with that argument? Are they on Russian territory? Have you been attacked while those bases have been in place? Its a non-argument, just as the rest of your nonsense.

i can only imagine the huge outcry from americans if russia ever gets to build bases in Mexico

[ati87]

From 80s. Allowed German reunification and all.

Putin tried to be friend as well for first two terms - even though he was already pretty disillusioned by the end of second one, but it looked like he was willing to try it with a different face - and Medvedev was so friendly he even abstained on Libya - and Obama got his Security Council authorization on that... which was horribly abused.

And neither does RT need to invent anything, nowdays it can just report stories like "children die in US concentration camps" straight.

Russia has no real say into the reunification the moment the wall fell.
But the fact that you think that Russia allowed Germany to start reunification processes and that you think that was a sign of good faith really is telling.

If you want to feel better at night by thinking that Russia tried to make friends with there neighbors and allies please do think that. But think at is this way. All your neighbors kind of hate you and are afraid that you will invade them. That's on Russia and no country can be prosperous if they can't get along with there neighbors.