The RNG is killing this game (for me)

[d00mh4cker]

Dont even bother.

[Puri]

You mean, for eample something like benthic gear?

[d00mh4cker]

You mean, for eample something like benthic gear?

Not exactly as that comes with it's own casino RNG.

I mean more like systems we have seen before where you earn tokens or conquest points and you buy items with fixed stats. So there is NO chance in hell that your time playing was wasted.

Maybe i'm too old for these kinds of games. The modern tripple A way of doing things aka "get players addicted to loot systems rather then making a good game" is not working out for me.

[Puri]

Not exactly as that comes with it's own casino RNG.

I mean more like systems we have seen before where you earn tokens or conquest points and you buy items with fixed stats. So there is NO chance in hell that your time playing was wasted.

Maybe i'm too old for these kinds of games. The modern tripple A way of doing things aka "get players addicted to loot systems rather then making a good game" is not working out for me.

Now you're getting silly and obviously only want to troll. If you just have a single item to buy wth the currency then that's it, it's eat or die. You can do the same when using benthic gear, just assume the first item you got for the slot is the only item available.

And let's not claim there is much of a lottery when there are at worst only 6 items available for that slot. You can simply spend the few manapearls for that single slot and "play the lottery", or you just upgrade the slots where you have the right (or only) items available and wait until you get enough bentic tokens just from questing.

[d00mh4cker]

Now you're getting silly and obviously only want to troll. If you just have a single item to buy wth the currency then that's it, it's eat or die. You can do the same when using benthic gear, just assume the first item you got for the slot is the only item available.

And let's not claim there is much of a lottery when there are at worst only 6 items available for that slot. You can simply spend the few manapearls for that single slot and "play the lottery", or you just upgrade the slots where you have the right (or only) items available and wait until you get enough bentic tokens just from questing.

What are on about?

Am I the only one here that doesn't like this much RNG? I've read about ppl spending houndreds of pearls to get the BiS benthic gear.
I'm not 100% against RNG, but it's everywhere.

Bonus rolls, Warforged/Titanforged, Sockets, benthic, time walking, PVP Arena, BGs etc.

The only thing that doesn't make WoW just another chinese mobile game is that it's played on PC.

In previous (successful) expansions like Wratch and Cata you didnt have this much RNG, you knew that if you cleared this content you will get an upgrade.
Now, in theory, you could play 10 hours straight not receiving a single upgrade, since ilvl isnt a certain upgrade for some dumb reason, but the next dude playing 1 hour could get lucky getting several upgrades. Its not a good system.


Edit: Now im reading that a 425 ilvl rolled by Casino ActiBlizz can out perform a 455 ilvl item. It's so stupid.

[dacoolist]

I don't have all the time in the world anymore to play the game, maybe i can put in 4-5 hours a week. I'm a casual.
This means that when I finally do have some spare time to play I want to make sure that my character is progressing by doing some WQ's, Mythic +, maybe LFR.

Today I spent roughly 2 hours on time walking dungeons to get that 415. (I have crappy gear, around 400 ilvl). My best slot is 420 ilvl belt.
So when I finally clear all 5 time walking and my reward is a 415 belt with worse stats then mine, it just instantly kills the fun for me.

I would much rather see a token system where you can purchase the items you most need.

I get it, this RNG lottery casino system might get some people with mental issues addicted, but my god does it suck horse sh*t.


Hade to clear my chest. Maybe i'm the only one that hates this casino system. Idk.

Guys getting 455 ilvl TitanF from LFR from AFK'ing - yeah I mean haha - the games been lotto since the START of Legion

[Monolithi]

Four-five hours a week is really too little time for game like wow.
I wouldnt play it under 12 hours a week.

[Gaidax]

What are on about?

What are YOU on about?

This patch is like casual heaven, you literally get mythic raid grade gear from doing bloody WQs and events. You say RNG and takes time? Yes, yes it does, but I mean what exactly do you want? All BiS in all slots second week of the patch?

And you don't even really have to do that, because you can live just fine with plain 425 gear with crazy procs even without socket to do your LFR/Normal/WQs.

I mean, you can get 25 pearls per day literally in something like 30 minutes. That's 5 gear tokens right there. I'm not sure what else you want there, gear that is being sent to mail the moment patch live? Because that one is literally the next step after this.

[Puri]

What are on about?

Am I the only one here that doesn't like this much RNG? I've read about ppl spending houndreds of pearls to get the BiS benthic gear.
I'm not 100% against RNG, but it's everywhere.

What are you about? You are talking about casual playing, not getting bis gear. Yes, getting benthic bis gear (meaning getting a socket on the right item) is rng, but even that is hardly something unobtainable or exceptionally expensive.

Making the jump from "i am casually playing and currently have 400 gear" to getting the perfect item is quite large. Farming the pearls does not include any rng, upgrading even a non optimal item gives more than enough upgrade and incentive to do so.

[De Lupe]

I miss JP/VP. Best gearing system they've ever had and they fucked it up.

Once they removed the badge system, I had no reason to ever run dungeons outside of the first time. Add in the increased emphasis on the "gogogo" bullshit and dungeons just became a waste of my time.

[d00mh4cker]

What are YOU on about?

This patch is like casual heaven, you literally get mythic raid grade gear from doing bloody WQs and events. You say RNG and takes time? Yes, yes it does, but I mean what exactly do you want? All BiS in all slots second week of the patch?

And you don't even really have to do that, because you can live just fine with plain 425 gear with crazy procs even without socket to do your LFR/Normal/WQs.

I mean, you can get 25 pearls per day literally in something like 30 minutes. That's 5 gear tokens right there. I'm not sure what else you want there, gear that is being sent to mail the moment patch live? Because that one is literally the next step after this.

Just because i'm a casual it doesn't mean i want all gear for free. If I wanted to play a game with this much RNG i would have turned to a online casino.

I still want a challange and feel that my effort was worth it and when i put in the hours I want those hours to count. Doing time walking for 2 hours and knowing that was 100% wasted time, it's not a good feeling.

In Vanilla i could be spending 10 hours in a raid not getting an upgrade, its not that, but atleast i was saving DKP which eventually gave me exactly the item i was searching for. In cata when i spent some time pvp:ing i could buy the item that i wanted with conquest points. The stats was fixed so i knew i was getting what i wanted. I think it was in cata.

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What are you about? You are talking about casual playing, not getting bis gear. Yes, getting benthic bis gear (meaning getting a socket on the right item) is rng, but even that is hardly something unobtainable or exceptionally expensive.

Making the jump from "i am casually playing and currently have 400 gear" to getting the perfect item is quite large. Farming the pearls does not include any rng, upgrading even a non optimal item gives more than enough upgrade and incentive to do so.

You missed my point 100%. I don't want EASY gear. I want less RNG. I could play for weeks not getting an upgrade if I knew the time invested wasnt wasted, if I knew i was going to get THAT specific item in the end.

[Steelcryo]

Titan residuum is what you're wanting and is in the game.

Yeah I agree, the RNG sucks (been trying to replace both my weapons for ages now and getting shafted by RNG) but the game would get super easy and boring without it. Titan residuum at least gives you a way to target specific pieces of gear over time. It's not something you can easily farm a lot of but at least you can target specific pieces with it.

[d00mh4cker]

Titan residuum is what you're wanting and is in the game.

Yeah I agree, the RNG sucks (been trying to replace both my weapons for ages now and getting shafted by RNG) but the game would get super easy and boring without it. Titan residuum at least gives you a way to target specific pieces of gear over time. It's not something you can easily farm a lot of but at least you can target specific pieces with it.

Would it get boring though? I'm not saying that your weapons that you look for should be handed over to you. No one really wants easy gear.
But it would feel more rewarding having a system with badges or tokens or w/e. F.e if you run raids, m+ etc, eventually you saved up enough badges to buy that weapon.

Its not a perfect system, badges/tokens, but it's the best i know.

I would much rather rarely get a drop but when it drops so does your jaw then having a system where you literally getting nuked by epic loot but its all shit.

[Marxman]

Yeah I agree, the RNG sucks (been trying to replace both my weapons for ages now and getting shafted by RNG) but the game would get super easy and boring without it.

The game seemed to do just fine without RNG for over a decade. It's not like the game has been this casino bullshit for its entire history... this just started in Legion.
@Koken: No, you aren't alone. The RNG is one of the primary reasons I am unsubbed, and will continue to be unsubbed until Classic. It's not fun praying for Titanforges or correct stats after putting in hours of work. It's horse shit. It's F2P mobile tactics in a full-priced game WITH a sub cost. It's hilariously stupid.

[Steelcryo]

The game seemed to do just fine without RNG for over a decade. It's not like the game has been this casino bullshit for its entire history... this just started in Legion.
@Koken: No, you aren't alone. The RNG is one of the primary reasons I am unsubbed, and will continue to be unsubbed until Classic. It's not fun praying for Titanforges or correct stats after putting in hours of work. It's horse shit. It's F2P mobile tactics in a full-priced game WITH a sub cost. It's hilariously stupid.

The game has always been based on RNG since Vanilla. Only now they've added far more. Not only do you have to compete with the RNG of usable piece of gear dropping, now it has to have the right stats too.

[Casperite]

Just because i'm a casual it doesn't mean i want all gear for free. If I wanted to play a game with this much RNG i would have turned to a online casino.

I still want a challange and feel that my effort was worth it and when i put in the hours I want those hours to count. Doing time walking for 2 hours and knowing that was 100% wasted time, it's not a good feeling.

In Vanilla i could be spending 10 hours in a raid not getting an upgrade, its not that, but atleast i was saving DKP which eventually gave me exactly the item i was searching for. In cata when i spent some time pvp:ing i could buy the item that i wanted with conquest points. The stats was fixed so i knew i was getting what i wanted. I think it was in cata.

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You missed my point 100%. I don't want EASY gear. I want less RNG. I could play for weeks not getting an upgrade if I knew the time invested wasnt wasted, if I knew i was going to get THAT specific item in the end.

You are obviously trolling. RNG is far less now than it has been. It really does sound like you want the best gear available given to you for next to no effort. Benthic gear is not a casino, as you put it. You don't need the bis item stats with gem. You said yourself hardest content you do is LFR.

Like others have said, 30 minutes a day is enough to get you full benthic gear. So what if they don't all have gem sockets? And if you want to keep rolling for best item set, they are 5 Pearl's each. You get 25 to 30 a day. This is by far the fastest way to get good gear that jas ever been in the game.

Even the beloved valor badge system rewarded gear much slower and took far longer than 30 minutes a day to get what you wanted.

And to your original post. You complain about rng like it was never in game. Did you throw a fit every time you ran a dungeon and didn't get the drop you wanted too? Some people, ffs.

[Alvito]

Not exactly as that comes with it's own casino RNG.

I mean more like systems we have seen before where you earn tokens or conquest points and you buy items with fixed stats. So there is NO chance in hell that your time playing was wasted.

Maybe i'm too old for these kinds of games. The modern tripple A way of doing things aka "get players addicted to loot systems rather then making a good game" is not working out for me.

RNG has always been a factor with loot. Now you at least have ways to gaurentee you get items. If you want or need that item who knows, but you can make sure you get something. You can also do this with azerite gear and either buy exactly what you want or gamble in a sense on a chest/helm/shoulder piece and see what happens. As for the content you are doing the extra bits on benthic gear aren't going to benefit you so there isn't any casino rng as you put it. The stats are static to each slot so any pair of boots will have the same stats the extra procs or equip functions are all that change. You could get a gem slot, but again if you are in a world where you are working towards 415 gear you aren't exactly min maxing and that leaves you with so many ways to upgrade gear.

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Would it get boring though? I'm not saying that your weapons that you look for should be handed over to you. No one really wants easy gear.
But it would feel more rewarding having a system with badges or tokens or w/e. F.e if you run raids, m+ etc, eventually you saved up enough badges to buy that weapon.

Its not a perfect system, badges/tokens, but it's the best i know.

I would much rather rarely get a drop but when it drops so does your jaw then having a system where you literally getting nuked by epic loot but its all shit.

Okay say we go back to tokens or badges. What did you do once you got the 1 to 4 things you would buy with those? How did you fill the other slots up? The current system at least leaves us with many ways to improve gear and in some cases you can focus on specific pieces or slots on your character sheet.

[SirCowdog]

Would it get boring though? I'm not saying that your weapons that you look for should be handed over to you. No one really wants easy gear.
But it would feel more rewarding having a system with badges or tokens or w/e. F.e if you run raids, m+ etc, eventually you saved up enough badges to buy that weapon.

Its not a perfect system, badges/tokens, but it's the best i know.

I would much rather rarely get a drop but when it drops so does your jaw then having a system where you literally getting nuked by epic loot but its all shit.

Sounds like you're describing the AP system with Artifact weapons.

Honestly I like that a hell of a lot better than RNG drops and random titanforge 24/7.

[Afrospinach]

You say RNG and takes time?

Yes it does. The issue is that there is no clear "being done" with anything anymore unless you are the 1 in 65000 or w/e it is to get a 455.

You can log in, do all the things and be NOWHERE closer to your goal. At least with the badge system you had some kind of scope of the task at hand.

[kaminaris]

The game has always been based on RNG since Vanilla. Only now they've added far more. Not only do you have to compete with the RNG of usable piece of gear dropping, now it has to have the right stats too.

No it doesn't have to have right stats on it. You simply wear what is upgrade and that's it. You think method has bis in all slots? No, they get the best they can. And still doing mythic raids.

Problem is with people obsession about BiS. No you have to have get bis. You simply have to progress you character by using upgrades you get.

Simplest way is to buy benthic pieces until you get right one - no it doesn't have to have socket, base one is already better than 445.
Then go to M+ and get decent 430 pieces, run 5 of them each week at 10+ level.
Then buy few random 445 azerite pieces. Sim them to check what is upgrade and what is not (no, you still don't have to get bis traits, mediocre traits are like 1-3% dps loss, go check bloodmallet for that).
Then run more M+ each week, gradually upgrading benthic gear.
Once you get enough TR, buy specific piece you want.

IF you can also raid (yeah HC is puggable) try to aim for specific gear from there.
Also don't forget about weekly chest items.