Any ideas on what may replace Titanforging?

[Qnubi]

I would love a system where an item is either Warforged (either +10 ilvls or a socket), or Void-Forged (Benthic-esque effect). So no more non-forged item, it's either warforged or voidforged, always.

Sockets should be a thing you can add like enchants, it shouldn't be determined by RNG (which would still be the case with your approach). What's so bad about having baseline stats and then use the professions to add stuff to it? All these RNG on top of RNG (the drop itself is already RNG) needs to stop and the community just needs to stand behind it and say "NOPE!" and not come up with their own twisted RNG systems like you did. You basically created a system with 3 RNG outcomes on top of the normal drop RNG. BAD DESIGN, shame on you!

And if you think what you proposed is good, then why not make enchants on items be a thing? You want Echo of the Elements on your wand? It's RNG. You see how stupid your idea becomes? Drops are already RNG we don't need additional layers, why are people so addicted to RNG, my god.

I think it shows that people have been brainwashed by loot-boxes already. A lot of people I talk to "enjoy" casino like game systems, we have a gambler generation and this will haunt gaming for a long time. *sigh*

[Makorus]

Sockets should be a thing you can add like enchants, it shouldn't be determined by RNG (which would still be the case with your approach). What's so bad about having baseline stats and then use the professions to add stuff to it? All these RNG on top of RNG (the drop itself is already RNG) needs to stop and the community just needs to stand behind it and say "NOPE!" and not come up with their own twisted RNG systems like you did. You basically created a system with 3 RNG outcomes on top of the normal drop RNG. BAD DESIGN, shame on you!

And if you think what you proposed is good, then why not make enchants on items be a thing? You want Echo of the Elements on your wand? It's RNG. You see how stupid your idea becomes? Drops are already RNG we don't need additional layers, why are people so addicted to RNG, my god.

Because RNG is fun, RNG gives you a reason to rerun raids and getting a cool random thing on your weapon is exciting. Simple as that. Especially if it's not gamebreaking like the old Warforging was.

Having professions add stuff to items is so pointless these days, the different enchants might as well be pre-baked into a weapon because it's just a minor inconvenience at this point.

[PointerToAddress]

Look at the rings on the PTR. They may do something with the effects of those rings. They are named Corrupted Ring and they have a positive effect (2% damage and healing) and a different negative effect. It may very well be that instead of Titanforged(or Warforged for that matter) it will be a Corrupted item with a random pair of effects.

That could also be tied to the last essence slot where you can increase its level, so it'll benefit the essences that have the "Unique: Corruption reduced by 10" so it'll increase the Corruption reduction. Maybe with less Corruption the negative effects from those Corrupted items will be less, either from the effect itself or the proc rate or whatever else.

[Boricha]

I guess the benthic effects, but I'd prefer valor upgrades, or just replace it with nothing at all.

[ey b0ss]

Meh , i like tf but , BUUUUUT , i wouldn't mind having 25 30 gem slots back on all slots together.

[Greengrim]

101% something completely retarded which will (SURPRISE!) once more force you to farm your ass off. This kind of shit, together with AP, azerite gear, etc made me quit the game to be honest.

[Qnubi]

Because RNG is fun, RNG gives you a reason to rerun raids and getting a cool random thing on your weapon is exciting. Simple as that. Especially if it's not gamebreaking like the old Warforging was.

Having professions add stuff to items is so pointless these days, the different enchants might as well be pre-baked into a weapon because it's just a minor inconvenience at this point.

Explain to me why RNG is fun, just saying it is fun is no explanation. My explanation why RNG is not fun is simply:

1.: You have no control over your reward/outcome.
2.: It abuses a very exploitative nature of human psychology, it is no big reveal when I tell you that these RNG systems are basically gambling. You put in value (time/effort) and get a reward based on luck and some are very sensitive to this. A friend of mine keeps spending time trying to chase 455 titanforge items, he got 0 so far and the only reason he keeps doing M10+ is because he is addicted to the thrill of gambling. You can't possibly say that's a good thing. The RNG system is not fun, it is simply exploiting gambling addiction of weak people to keep coming back for more although the chance of getting the jackpot (ilvl455) is very slim.

[Huzzaa]

I doubt it's being replaced, it sounded more like they want to add a patch relevant affix that upgrades gear with an additional effect over a usual stat addition or ilvl boost. Sort of like a return of more stuff like Indestructible but shadow effects.

This is what I got out of it too.

And if so, they will likely not get a nickle from me.

It's ridiculous.

Now if they'd remove TF && WF, that's good, a step in the right/sane direction but alongside that, RNG sockets and tertiaries will still have to go. I'm not a fan of any of it, ever since Thunderforging.

@Blizzard: Stop this nonsense with the RNG on top of the acquisition RNG and your basically fine and awesome again. Until then, the game remains in the gutter with its progression system.

PS. Something along the lines of upgrading gear 4 ilvls a time like we had in Pandaria, is also fine in my book. Because it's an actual progression system you control, rather than a machine lever you pull and hope you get something.
Not a fan of anything like benthic though, that's just the same thing tuned to 500% way over the top. EDIT: Plus its current form has all the current problem with it. Casino sockets and ilvl.

[Makorus]

Explain to me why RNG is fun, just saying it is fun is no explanation. My explanation why RNG is not fun is simply:

1.: You have no control over your reward/outcome.
2.: It abuses a very exploitative nature of human psychology, it is no big reveal when I tell you that these RNG systems are basically gambling. You put in value (time/effort) and get a reward based on luck and some are very sensitive to this. A friend of mine keeps spending time trying to chase 455 titanforge items, he got 0 so far and the only reason he keeps doing M10+ is because he is addicted to the thrill of gambling. You can't possibly say that's a good thing. The RNG system is not fun, it is simply exploiting gambling addiction of weak people to keep coming back for more although the chance of getting the jackpot (ilvl455) is very slim.

There's a difference between a 0.00001% chance to get a 455 Item, and a 25%/25%/50% split on an item. Actively going out of your way to get a Titanforged piece doesn't really make any sense anyway.

Also, you have no control over your reward at all in WoW anyway.

[schwarzkopf]

Removing titanforging is a bad idea and they shouldnt cater for a loud minority.

It isn't a loud minority - I'm at iLvl 445 and I've not got past 3/8Heroic or 10 M+.

I don't feel as if I deserve that iLvl.

What I'd like to see is to titanforge sideways rather than up.

For example - to have an item have an empty secondary stat ... e.g. 500 Crit/ 200 <?> which you can fill in
or more chance to have tertiary stats etc. So I might be ilvl 425 but have a huge speed buff from all my gear or something.

That is - something interesting, but not over powered.

[Uko]

Clearly we are getting void forging! Now every item is 300 ilvl and you will have to pray for void forging to get anything. Each time someone complains about titanforging or void forging the chance of getting an upgrade is reduced by 10% for everyone. Because blizzard has to hit us over the head with their ideas until we tell them we like them.

[prwraith]

Unless it involves removing titanforge / warforge I honestly don't give a shit.

I wish they'd stop doubling down on bad decisions.

[Sosuke Aizen]

Is this real life?
The most commonly loved feature of WoW may be replaced or reworked! And no one is talking about it

What would you want to happen? Any speculations?
What would you want/think is going to happen?

QUOTE from gentleman Ion:

Maybe something like Diablo to reroll for a socket or like you said upgrade with a currency

[Qnubi]

There's a difference between a 0.00001% chance to get a 455 Item, and a 25%/25%/50% split on an item. Actively going out of your way to get a Titanforged piece doesn't really make any sense anyway.

Also, you have no control over your reward at all in WoW anyway.

Exactly, we already have the inherit drop RNG, why do you need an additional layer? You haven't explained to me yet why you are not happy with the inherit drop RNG. Why do you need another layer of RNG to be satisfied? You can't target a drop, you don't go in and say: I want this item now. If this was the case I would be okay with a small layer of RNG (like sockets yes/no, +10ilvl). But this is not the case, we already have drop RNG, that's ENOUGH! The chances are already reasonable, they don't need to be lowered into the 0,x% chances of it happening.

Let's take M10 as an example, in time you have a 60% chance of getting an item (3 drops per group), then most dungeons have 7-8 relevant drops. Let's use my character as an example and it's 7 (I am mage, Atal dazar dungeon, 7 drops) so you have 14% chance after the initial 60% to get the item you want. Apparently the chance to get a +5 ilvl is 30%, so to reach the cap of 455 on a M10 would be 2,7%. So in conclusion, we have 60%, then 14% and then a whooping 2,7%. And even we say +5 would be the maximum which would be 30% the RNG layers are way over the top for something as simple as a reward for a dungeon. The possible outcomes are in the hundreds, we don't need 100+ different versions of an item past the baseline. And then there is socket RNG, which is very powerful in itself. And I haven't even talked about the Leech/Speed/Indestructible RNG layers which are AGAIN more RNG. They are less impactful (although for tanks leech is pretty strong) but create even more versions of items. It's TOO much, it's NOT fun. If you enjoy this system then I am confident to say you like gambling and lootboxes and probably think slot machines are entertaining.

In the end we have 5 (!!!) RNG layers for drops of varying chances. This is madness. In fact this is worse than some gambling games like Black Jack or Poker. We have inherit drop RNG, item pool RNG, titanforge RNG, Socket RNG, Secondary RNG. It's too much, it needs to end.

The chance of getting pocket aces in texas hold'em poker is 1/221 hands on a 10 player table. The chance of getting an item of your choice with a TF max roll with socket and secondary of your choice is WAY lower. It's ridiculous.

[msdos]

My hunch is they're ripping off Path of Exile, because Path essentially has the same goal: be played forever and shovel content out forever in the most efficient manner possible.
The new affix is ripped straight out of Path of Exile, the glyphs even look like the monoliths from Path of Exile: Legion.

My guess is we'll be able to corrupt items with random properties that lock in permanently onto the item. It's completely random in Path and I'm sure it will be in WoW too, everything else is basically.

[huth]

It isn't a loud minority - I'm at iLvl 445 and I've not got past 3/8Heroic or 10 M+.

I don't feel as if I deserve that iLvl.

What I'd like to see is to titanforge sideways rather than up.

For example - to have an item have an empty secondary stat ... e.g. 500 Crit/ 200 <?> which you can fill in
or more chance to have tertiary stats etc. So I might be ilvl 425 but have a huge speed buff from all my gear or something.

That is - something interesting, but not over powered.

Then you're exceptionally lucky. Still not an issue. That you feel like you don't deserve it is a personal issue.

[Swnem]

That's because surprisingly, people are wising up and know not to celebrate before they see what is replacing it.

If it had been removed, fullstop, people would be celebrating.

[schwarzkopf]

That you feel like you don't deserve it is a personal issue.

Do you think I deserve it ? It doesn't seem personal if I'm not the only one who thinks I don't.

For me - it makes up for the bad luck in not finding a solid raiding group.

[ZazuuPriest]

Most commonly loved feature?

What drugs are you injecting?

[huth]

Do you think I deserve it ? It doesn't seem personal if I'm not the only one who thinks I don't.

For me - it makes up for the bad luck in not finding a solid raiding group.

I don't give a shit if you deserve it. I only care if you can actually make use of it if you're in my group, other than that, it has no effect on me either way.