I hope the next class is tinker. Just to see Teriz reaction.
Also because I as much as would I like a necromancer I don’t thing I could ever main as not a healer.
So a tinker would work better for me as it could easily have a heal spec.
And those so-called "lore reasons" are...? I'm honestly asking, because I see no barrier at all, when we look at past precedents set by Blizzard themselves.
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Well, a necromancer could technically have a healing spec based on blood magic. I made a brief concept of it, enough to demonstrate how my class idea would play out. It's in my sig, if you want to check it out.
1. Sylvanas has never produced a DR with Banshee powers.
2.There are no Dark Rangers on the Alliance.
3. Sylvanas has left the horde, seemingly abandoning her current Dark Rangers, particularly the new Night Elf ones.
Beyond that, the current expansion revolves around Sylvanas, she's even on the cover. Its doubtful we're going to have another expansion revolving around her. If I was a betting man, I'd bet that she won't be a part of the next expansion in any meaningful way.
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he also is not known as a tinker in https://heroesofthestorm.gamepedia.com/Gazlowe so that doesnt work.
gelbin mekkatorque was who i was originally referring to, with you know, the high tinker title and everything. but the person i quoted decided to say mounted combat (which mekkatorque applies essentially.... all the time) was stupid, and brought up gazlowe instead.
also... "The powered armor used by him in the game greatly resembles the Tinker hero unit from Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne and the artwork for the epic tinker in the non-canon Warcraft RPG. His Chief Engineer skin incorporates elements from Gallywix's unused shredder concept art." doesnt mean he has tinker abilities in hots. it means his armor looked similar to a tinker unit in a completely different game. which again, would bring back what is essentially mounted combat that i got ridiculed for, since every mech thus far has been a mount, in one form or another.
All good. We all have our opinions. People also didn't see demon hunters being likely, while also claiming a slew of other class ideas were more likely, but look where we are, today.
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Death knights produced by Arthas did not have frost or blood powers, prior to their introduction as a playable class.
Please name the demon hunters and death knights and monks that existed in the Horde and Alliance before their respective introductions as playable classes.2.There are no Dark Rangers on the Alliance.
Didn't stop Arthas.3. Sylvanas has left the horde,
"Seemingly"? I don't think she ever needed the Horde to raise new dark rangers, so I don't see any reason why she'd stop now. If anything, she has all the more reason to raise more, considering she no longer has the Horde to be her army.seemingly abandoning her current Dark Rangers, particularly the new Night Elf ones.
Gul'dan was key in two expansions, back to back.Beyond that, the current expansion revolves around Sylvanas, she's even on the cover. Its doubtful we're going to have another expansion revolving around her. If I was a betting man, I'd bet that she won't be a part of the next expansion in any meaningful way.
Yet they had necromantic powers. Frost and Blood are within the realm of Necromantic powers.
Fair point.Please name the demon hunters and death knights and monks that existed in the Horde and Alliance before their respective introductions as playable classes.
Not with both the alliance and horde hunting her."Seemingly"? I don't think she ever needed the Horde to raise new dark rangers, so I don't see any reason why she'd stop now. If anything, she has all the more reason to raise more, considering she no longer has the Horde to be her army.
Gul'Dan never appeared on the cover of either WoD or Legion. Additionally, while he was a driving force, he was never the main character. Finally, the class that appeared in Legion wasn't based on him.Gul'dan was key in two expansions, back to back.
I dont think you can compare the two.
I have yet to see a person thats like "I wish I was like Heigan!"
But you can imagine how many always wanted to be like Illidan.
DH also was one if not the most demanded class for god knows how long.
Also, Lock had only Meta overlapping with DHs.
Whole DK overlaps with Necromancers, considering DKs are their improved version.
You cant compare one shared spell with a whole class almost being a 1:1 copy of an existant class.
I highly doubt they pull off yet another dark hero class with yet another death theme, especially when we have far more interesting classes in the open that would offer things we cannot experience yet.
A ranged cloth DK isnt exactly what I call unique, interesting or what the Game truly needs.
We need more class diversity, more class and less spec focusing.
That isnt achieved with such a pick.
Even a Bard would be a better concept.
I think Tinker would be fine as long as it has some personality with it.
Fuck load better than some banal shit like Warden, That would launch half finished because no one could stay awake long enough to finish the design document
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Irrelevant. Your argument was "Sylvanas never produced dark rangers with banshee powers", to which I countered with the fact that Arthas never produced death knights with frost or blood powers before their introduction as a playable class.
She seems to be pretty comfortable within Ghostlands, from what we saw. We also saw that she wasn't worried at all despite having ousted herself in front of both the Alliance and the Horde, and I bet she knows she's being hunted. Only a fool would think otherwise. And yet, she's calm. Almost deathly so, so to speak.Not with both the alliance and horde hunting her.
I doubt Sylvanas is a fool to be tricked by Saurfang, of all people, into accidentally revealing her true colors like that. Her doing that before the Alliance and the Horde likely meant she no longer needed them for her plans.
Garrosh was the "main baddie" of MoP and yet he wasn't on the cover. Illidan was the "main baddie" of TBC and wasn't on the cover. Sargers was the "main baddie" of Legion and wasn't on the cover. Etc, etc.Gul'Dan never appeared on the cover of either WoD or Legion. Additionally, while he was a driving force, he was never the main character. Finally, the class that appeared in Legion wasn't based on him.
And Sylvanas was on the cover of BfA not because she's the "main baddie" (which she isn't, N'Zoth is. Sylvans is actually the 'Gul'Dan' of BfA) but because she's the leader of the Horde. Or was, at least until halfway the expansion.
The point is: the idea that this expansion revolves around Sylvanas is false. This isn't about Sylvanas, but the Old God N'Zoth. And unless we kill her in 8.3 or 8.3.5, I'm willing to bet she'll be pivotal in the next expansion.
Which, if true, would make her comparisons to Garrosh ring even truer.
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My point was that fan popularity doesn't really seem to be a big concern for Blizzard regarding class choice for an expansion. Because, if it was, Demon Hunters and Tinkers would have been the first two expansion classes introduced into the game, not death knights and monks.
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They aren't. Shadow Hunters are Troll Shaman.
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Again, he produced DKs who could use Necromancy, thus it's easy to expand that concept to Blood and Frost because those are also part of Necromancy.
Sylvanas just produces undead Hunters. It's always been that way.
There's a difference between being comfortable in hiding and raising an army. An army of Dark Rangers would get rolled by the combined Horde and Alliance, and its doubtful she even has the necessary material to create an army of Dark Rangers. Remember, DRs are experienced Rangers BEFORE they die. Does Sylvanas have hundreds of ranger corpses laying around? Doubtful.She seems to be pretty comfortable within Ghostlands, from what we saw. We also saw that she wasn't worried at all despite having ousted herself in front of both the Alliance and the Horde, and I bet she knows she's being hunted. Only a fool would think otherwise. And yet, she's calm. Almost deathly so, so to speak.
Headcanon. Thanks for sharing.I doubt Sylvanas is a fool to be tricked by Saurfang, of all people, into accidentally revealing her true colors like that. Her doing that before the Alliance and the Horde likely meant she no longer needed them for her plans.
Laughable. Of course this expansion is about Sylvanas. It started with her in the opening cinematic, and by all accounts it will end with her in 8.3.5.Garrosh was the "main baddie" of MoP and yet he wasn't on the cover. Illidan was the "main baddie" of TBC and wasn't on the cover. Sargers was the "main baddie" of Legion and wasn't on the cover. Etc, etc.
Yes, Illidan was on the cover because of the Demon Hunter class. Lich King was on WotLK for DKs, and Chen was on the cover of MoP for Monks. Is Sylvanas going to be on the cover of the next expansion and play a major role after being on the cover and playing a major role in this expansion?
Doubtful.
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For the same reason you're extrapolating on the "they use unholy, so they can use frost and blood" can also be used for Sylvanas and dark rangers. Anyways. The point is: it doesn't matter that she hasn't produced dark rangers with banshee powers so far. Because it can either be retroactively written that they are dark rangers with banshee powers (like it happened to the death knights in Naxxramas, retconned to have frost and blood powers after DKs became a playable class), or she produces new dark rangers now that she has new powers. Or both.
I'm pretty sure that, given the context here, there isn't much difference. Because you can only be calm when you have vast armies after you when you either: a) have unbelievable power; b) have an army; or c) both.There's a difference between being comfortable in hiding and raising an army.
Not if it's backed by the powers and minions of whatever powers Sylvanas allied herself with.An army of Dark Rangers would get rolled by the combined Horde and Alliance,
It implies that we know what the "necessary materials" are. Which we don't.and its doubtful she even has the necessary material to create an army of Dark Rangers.
The new ones don't have to be Hunter/Rangers corpses. The original DKs were paladins... but then all sorts of heroes could become death knights, after they became a playable class.Remember, DRs are experienced Rangers BEFORE they die. Does Sylvanas have hundreds of ranger corpses laying around? Doubtful.
You do know that saying "headcanon" as if it somehow counters my arguments doesn't work the way you intend it to, and is basically the same as admitting you have nothing to counter what I wrote, right?Headcanon. Thanks for sharing.
I think no one ever believed that this expansion was about the faction conflict. And I'm pretty sure Blizzard went on record saying that Sylvanas isn't going to die.Laughable. Of course this expansion is about Sylvanas. It started with her in the opening cinematic, and by all accounts it will end with her in 8.3.5.
I can argue the Lich King was on the cover because he's the main bad guy of the expansion. I can say something similar about Illidan as he plays a pivotal role in the Legion expansion. As for Chen, I could argue he's there because, as a pandaren, he's intrinsically linked to the expansion's theme about balance.Yes, Illidan was on the cover because of the Demon Hunter class. Lich King was on WotLK for DKs, and Chen was on the cover of MoP for Monks.
She doesn't have to be.Is Sylvanas going to be on the cover of the next expansion and play a major role after being on the cover and playing a major role in this expansion?
Doubtful.
And that would be a rather huge retcon, since Blizzard has always made it clear that Sylvanas' current state is a unique process, and that she is definitely not your typical Dark Ranger due to being part Banshee. Again, Death Knights getting Frost abilities from the Lich, and an expansion of their Vampiric abilities in WC3 wasn't a retcon, it was an expansion, since Blizzard long established that necromancy is part of the DK's abilities.
We'll just have to wait until 8.3.5 then.I'm pretty sure that, given the context here, there isn't much difference. Because you can only be calm when you have vast armies after you when you either: a) have unbelievable power; b) have an army; or c) both.
Not if it's backed by the powers and minions of whatever powers Sylvanas allied herself with.
We do; The corpses of fallen Rangers.It implies that we know what the "necessary materials" are. Which we don't.
Dark Rangers aren't Death Knights. WoW has established that Dark Rangers are risen Rangers hence why they're all elves save for Nathanos (who was a Human trained by elven rangers).The new ones don't have to be Hunter/Rangers corpses. The original DKs were paladins... but then all sorts of heroes could become death knights, after they became a playable class.
Except arguing that you know what a fictional character is thinking or planning is exactly that, and not worth arguing over.You do know that saying "headcanon" as if it somehow counters my arguments doesn't work the way you intend it to, and is basically the same as admitting you have nothing to counter what I wrote, right?
Sylvanas' story ending doesn't mean she dies at the end.I think no one ever believed that this expansion was about the faction conflict. And I'm pretty sure Blizzard went on record saying that Sylvanas isn't going to die.
And all three just happened to be the lore figures of each class introduced in those expansions.I can argue the Lich King was on the cover because he's the main bad guy of the expansion. I can say something similar about Illidan as he plays a pivotal role in the Legion expansion. As for Chen, I could argue he's there because, as a pandaren, he's intrinsically linked to the expansion's theme about balance.
If Dark Rangers are the next class and they're based on her, she has to be.She doesn't have to be.
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Nope, because again, Shadow Shot isn't a HotS or WC3 ability for either Dark Rangers or Shadow Hunters.
Seriously, this isnt that conplicated.