Democrat Andy Beshear wins Kentucky Governor race over incumbent Matt Bevin

[Techno-Druid]

you are right the "alt-right" is just now the "right" now a days.

You really overestimate the political prowess and intentions of Republicans or even most mainstream conservatives. The Ben Shapiro, Dan Crenshaw-cut of conservatism is currently in a 'small civil war' with far right identitarians as a part of Nick Fuentes' 'America First' movement (Groyper Wars). To pretend that these two groups of conservatism are in collusion with one another is quite silly.

[Fugus]

I'm actually surprised. Guess they think this is best for winning next time.

They already own both houses below him and he can't pass but what they give him. And if they fight it, it makes the Republican party look even worse than the dumpster fire they already look like/are.

[Stormspellz]

You really overestimate the political prowess and intentions of Republicans or even most mainstream conservatives. The Ben Shapiro, Dan Crenshaw-cut of conservatism is currently in a 'small civil war' with far right identitarians as a part of Nick Fuentes' 'America First' movement (Groyper Wars). To pretend that these two groups of conservatism are in collusion with one another is quite silly.

Ben just sees the writing on the wall and trying position himself for a post Trumpism republican party he can continue to fleece when the collectively ignore how they all supported Trump

They may have some difference in ideological purity, but they all agree on the same kind of regressionism policies, like trickle down voodo or various authoritarianism flavors

[Techno-Druid]

Ben just sees the writing on the wall and trying position himself for a post Trumpism republican party he can continue to fleece when the collectively ignore how they all supported Trump

They may have some difference in ideological purity, but they all agree on the same kind of regressionism policies, like trickle down voodo or various authoritarianism flavors

A lot of the more America First people under Nick Fuentes lean more left-wing economically. They dislike the "demographic changes" that arises from the ideology of neoliberalism, the idea that you can lower wages by 'flooding' the country with cheaper foreign labor.

The Ben Shapiro/Crenshaw brand of conservatism by contrast is more neoliberal with a strong support for Israel and the Evangelical lobby.

They do broadly agree on a lot of issues, but they definitely are growing to hate each other, especially because of the latter's willingness to fund Israel or prioritize foreign interests over their own. The latter is definitely more authoritarian though as a big part of their growing movement is to reject what they consider to be "degeneracy".

It's really more of a generation thing, the older boomers and Gen X conservatives against the younger Zoomer identitarians. Considering the power struggle between liberals and leftists on the other end of the spectrum I'm really interested to see where politics will be headed in the next 30 years. Seems like the extremes are starting to attack the establishment.

[arandomuser]

You really overestimate the political prowess and intentions of Republicans or even most mainstream conservatives. The Ben Shapiro, Dan Crenshaw-cut of conservatism is currently in a 'small civil war' with far right identitarians as a part of Nick Fuentes' 'America First' movement (Groyper Wars). To pretend that these two groups of conservatism are in collusion with one another is quite silly.

yeah i noticed that,recently too, ben shapiro did a big speech calling out actual racist and white nationalist, and it got alot of downvotes

https://youtu.be/ge_RUxBTHN4?t=700

Im glad they are atleast making an effort to distance themselves from white supremacist and neo nazis. Even though i dont agree with ben shapiro, i think he is just like an old school republican, there is other actors who i hate much more who never seem to have anything negative to say about actual nazis,

[zenkai]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/andy-besh...032539959.html



A Democrat wins the governor seat from a heavy GOP state which Trump won by 30 points in 2016. Matt Bevin the incumbent trying to smooch Trump's ass arrogantly gloating he would win the election by a large margin loses. I hope McConnell is shitting his Russian colored turtle shell with this just happening and how unpopular he is in Kentucky.

If you paid attention you would know Republicans won KY other than Bevin who barley lost, he lost because he went to war with teachers, a lot of Republicans didn't like Bevin. I am sorry to destroy your narrative.

[Daelak]

If you paid attention you would know Republicans won KY other than Bevin who barley lost, he lost because he went to war with teachers, a lot of Republicans didn't like Bevin. I am sorry to destroy your narrative.

Its hilarious watching conservatives trying to divorce the toxic name that is Trump in fucking red states to boilerplate conservative governors.

[Kaleredar]

If you paid attention you would know Republicans won KY other than Bevin who barley lost, he lost because he went to war with teachers, a lot of Republicans didn't like Bevin. I am sorry to destroy your narrative.

So, cutting out all of the extraneous nonsense you added...

A Republican lost the governorship to a Democrat in the deeply red state of Kentucky because of aforementioned Republican's terrible positions.

Sounds like 1) A victory for the democrats and 2) A condemnation of the republican's positions. I'm personally pretty happy with that.

[Lynarii]

So, cutting out all of the extraneous nonsense you added...

A Republican lost the governorship to a Democrat in the deeply red state of Kentucky because of aforementioned Republican's terrible positions.

Sounds like 1) A victory for the democrats and 2) A condemnation of the republican's positions. I'm personally pretty happy with that.

2 isn't exactly accurate. Even the Republicans in Kentucky really didn't seem to like Bevin much, so it's less of a condemnation of the republican positions and more saying that just putting an R after your name isn't guaranteed to shield you if you're an incompetent shitbag that nobody likes.

[Zaydin]

If you paid attention you would know Republicans won KY other than Bevin who barley lost, he lost because he went to war with teachers, a lot of Republicans didn't like Bevin. I am sorry to destroy your narrative.

So... if Bevin was a bad candidate and the GOP knew he was a bad candidate, why did they nominate him anyways? Why nominate a bad candidate?

[Lynarii]

So... if Bevin was a bad candidate and the GOP knew he was a bad candidate, why did they nominate him anyways? Why nominate a bad candidate?

Two reasons.

1) He was an incumbent governor.
2) He had Trump's support.

If the Republican establishment supported a primary challenge on an incumbent governor who had Trump's support, it would be immediately painted as a rank betrayal, and probably trigger primary challenges against any of the Republicans who supported the initial challenge. While allowing Bevin to run lost them the governor position, the chaos created by infighting would have opened them up to losing a lot more than that. Losing the governor seat is a black eye, but with the Republicans solidly holding every other position of influence it really is more embarrassing than legitimately harmful to them.

[Elegiac]

Two reasons.

1) He was an incumbent governor.
2) He had Trump's support.

If the Republican establishment supported a primary challenge on an incumbent governor who had Trump's support, it would be immediately painted as a rank betrayal, and probably trigger primary challenges against any of the Republicans who supported the initial challenge. While allowing Bevin to run lost them the governor position, the chaos created by infighting would have opened them up to losing a lot more than that. Losing the governor seat is a black eye, but with the Republicans solidly holding every other position of influence it really is more embarrassing than legitimately harmful to them.

Yep. The actual electoral massacre this year happened in Virginia and in the Pennsylvania suburbs.

[zenkai]

So... if Bevin was a bad candidate and the GOP knew he was a bad candidate, why did they nominate him anyways? Why nominate a bad candidate?

The teacher thing happened after he was elected.

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So, cutting out all of the extraneous nonsense you added...

A Republican lost the governorship to a Democrat in the deeply red state of Kentucky because of aforementioned Republican's terrible positions.

Sounds like 1) A victory for the democrats and 2) A condemnation of the republican's positions. I'm personally pretty happy with that.

KY governors are usually democrat, I am sorry to keep destroying the illusions you partisans create, but them are the facts. Not to mention Beshear is the son of our last Governor.

[BigToast]

As a proud SJW Libtard I would caution my fellow progressives about getting too excited about this one. Bevin was essentially Roy Moore without the pedophilia. Beshear barely squeaked it out and down ballot went completely red. Now any Democratic Party victory is a win for humanity, but let's not kid ourselves about deeply conservative Kentucky.

[Ghostpanther]

The teacher thing happened after he was elected.

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KY governors are usually democrat, I am sorry to keep destroying the illusions you partisans create, but them are the facts. Not to mention Beshear is the son of our last Governor.

Yep. And he was a popular governor. Independents are going to vote for whom they feel is the best. I am very surprised Bevin came as close as he did. I think Trump's rally for certain helped him. But he was just too unpopular. Just like it appears his rally helped the Republicans in the Mississippi election that same day.

[Zaydin]

The teacher thing happened after he was elected.

Okay. So why did the GOP renominate him this year then if he was a bad candidate?

[Ghostpanther]

Okay. So why did the GOP renominate him this year then if he was a bad candidate?

Same reason the Democrats renominated the Senator in FL., who got beat by Rick Scott.

[cubby]

As a proud SJW Libtard I would caution my fellow progressives about getting too excited about this one. Bevin was essentially Roy Moore without the pedophilia. Beshear barely squeaked it out and down ballot went completely red. Now any Democratic Party victory is a win for humanity, but let's not kid ourselves about deeply conservative Kentucky.

I agree. The night of the election there was a GOP analyst pointing out that the Dems only got the governorship, while the GOP won the other FIVE state-wide races. So definitely an overall win for the GOP, but a very nice symbolic win for the Democrats - especially since Cheeto was there the night before.

A little off topic, but Amy McGrath is polling very well against McConnell. I wonder if there is really any chance of her defeating him. I feel like if it got close, McConnell would just break out the good-'ol-boy-policial-wrecking-ball and start stuffing ballots.

[Zaydin]

I agree. The night of the election there was a GOP analyst pointing out that the Dems only got the governorship, while the GOP won the other FIVE state-wide races. So definitely an overall win for the GOP, but a very nice symbolic win for the Democrats - especially since Cheeto was there the night before.

A little off topic, but Amy McGrath is polling very well against McConnell. I wonder if there is really any chance of her defeating him. I feel like if it got close, McConnell would just break out the good-'ol-boy-policial-wrecking-ball and start stuffing ballots.

Winning those other state wide races would have been great, but ultimately who do most of them all answer to? The governor.

[cubby]

Winning those other state wide races would have been great, but ultimately who do most of them all answer to? The governor.

I agree the governorship was a Yuge win. But the other five do hold power, and can still affect policy to a large degree.