Originally Posted by
Kralljin
I wouldn't use Method as guideline.
The issue rather is, it's always the same stupid shit.
In previous expansions, you had to drop a shit ton of time during the release of an expansion to get your character(s) ready for raiding, get gear, farm rep,etc..
All that shit you had to do to get settled into the expansion.
Then it was raidlogging.
At least for those who were only truly interested in raiding.
I never raidlogged unless i dropped a ton of time into another game, previously i spent most of my time in WoW farming collectibles, but i was totally fine that people didn't have to drop tons of hours to keep their character up to date for raiding.
Now a patch drops and you have to engage in all sorts of new systems.
First off, you need to grind M+ for all the new gear, that the full release is tied with Mythic makes it even harder because you kinda have to take the day off so you can get all your gear before your raid starts in the Afternoon / evening.
Second, the Patch system.
Take 8.2, first you need to get through multiple quests in order to get going in the zone (on all character obviously) then you need to get your HoA stuff, then you need to do Nazjatar every day for Manapearls to get Benthic, etc..
Then there's AP Grind, so you need to WQ's and Islands, like during 8.0, 8.1, and so forth.
The problem isn't grinding AP, the problem is grinding AP every damn patch.
Now 8.3 comes out.
First you gotta research how all stuff works because all that knowledge about Benthic gear is now entirely worthless as we're getting a new system each patch.
So you gotta go to WoWhead, read up on it and probably jump onto the PTR to test yourself to get a grasp how it works.
Now it's about Horrific visions, to enter those you need corrupted mementos, where do you get them?
Dailies obviously, more daily shit to do on every character that you want to keep ready for raiding.
This is the problem, a lot of "hardcore" people previously just dropped a massive amount of time into the game at the start of an expansion, then it got less over time.
Now every patch is like a small expansion and you have to do new daily shit and the same recurring shit you've been doing ~6 months ago.
Compare it to Classic.
I dropped a lot of time into Classic when it came out, got my character to 60, grinded gear, got consumables, now all i have to do is log in each week and that's it.
The only thing i have to do on the long run is having enough consumables, but due to the fact that i can buy them for gold, there are a variety of options to get them.
I can farm them myself (as many as i can within a timeframe), i can do something else to farm gold or just play the AH with minimal effort and live off the profit from there.
So fucking simple in comparison to retail.