I on Hazzikostas - there will be NO 8.3.5

[Yarathir]

true, but would be kind of weird to get pre-order feature before the last patch
and tbh if i remember correctly they mentioned they will probably continue with ar after bfa if there is any fitting race (bcs i guess races we have were sooo fitting )

Maybe. The banner placement and the fact that on both sides, the list is one off from a full set is gonna irk me then. Feels like those are Legion/BfA era races and it would've been nice to end the list with one more set. Oh well.

[Lolites]

Maybe. The banner placement and the fact that on both sides, the list is one off from a full set is gonna irk me then. Feels like those are Legion/BfA era races and it would've been nice to end the list with one more set. Oh well.

i mean i wouldnt mind, but we did get a lot races already, i wouldnt mind no new races for some time now
as for the banner, i dont think they knew how many races they will add when they were making it, they probably just make it long and said "fuck it"

[TheFirstOnes]

BFA was a shit expansion anyway...

[Raisei]

Oh yeah, the "sub count does not matter for your fun" myth.

But it does. How much fun is a MMORPG with noone to play with or against?

Have you ever wondered why no battlegrounds open on low level in some regions anymore?

Or why LFR is only opening on prime time in some regions?

Or why the world feels that empty?

Yep. It is the sub count.

I am confused, did you not want more single-player content only a day ago? So what use do you have for other people?

So like every Expansion for the last 15 years? Are you new here?

Not quite. The game does not cater to his demands for single player content on par with Single Player Action RPGs, so Ion has basically become his sworn enemy and he will go to any length to complain about him. It is quite fun to observe really.

We already have leaks saying it is delayed. Smart people do research before they put their money where their mouth is.

Ye, I remember all the leaks we had only month ago that acurately and without fail showed the next expansion, all 20 of them, with different content. Pure fact!
For some people on this forum it really seems that "My brother works at Blizzard and told me..." is an actual reason to believe someone.

MMOC Daily: Someone starts spewing nonesense, a second person repeats it, the third accepts it as proven fact. It shows how our society works and why fake news is such an issue. People do not have the capacity for critical thinking anymore.

[muto]

The game feels like a single player venture if you don’t Mythic raid. Unless they fix that it will be more of the same.

[Rivex]

This is in the store:
*World of Warcraft®: Shadowlands expansion available on or before December 31, 2020

They are obligated to launch by then.

Legion and BfA had that exact same message, both which came out in August.

Pray tell, what will you do when Shadowlands comes out around August/Sept and your fearmongering and pointless negativity is exposed as exactly that?

There's no point hanging around a forum for a hobby just to be pessimistic and negative about it, especially when you're not even attempting to be objective.

Actually Digital Media don't follow the law you're thinking of.

It's how Movies and games can be forever delayed without any legal bounce back x

[Zeons]

Better not see any of you tourists in my game after the patch.

[bullseyed]

I will remind you of my words when shadowlands will be available in march 2021.

Shadowlands will certainly be available still in March 2021 after it releases in summer 2020.

[Argorwal]

That patch also launched with THREE new dungeons and an alt friendly gearing and progression system. The key here is alt friendliness, something 8.3 has nothing of.

The dungeons that were for catchup only?

That dropped 232 gear which was ToC10 level so if you weren't awful at the game they were useless day 1?

I didn't even bother discussing ICC, and its time gated raid wing release over 2 months, and can't start heroic because you need to kill Arthas, but you can't fight him until February when the raid came out in December.

Oh, and we'll put a shared pool of limited attempts in for each wing's end boss.

[Queen of Hamsters]

Imagine being the kind of person to sit around and bitch incessantly about content droughts at the end of WoW expansions... Just imagine it.

It has been a fact of the game for so long, yet people act as if "questioning" (whining) will change the facts of game development... And now they even cut down the drought period to boot, the Legion drought was too short even.

Do other things, you clearly have the time at your disposal.

[Voidwielder]

Cool, I'll play a bit of Classic after May-June after I get 2k RIO on my main, mounts and all and then a new video game and a deep vacation till release.

Some of you clearly should have quit a long time ago but you're ''in too deep''.
Sad!

[Suggs]

Who gives a crap about content drought when you got Cyberpunk, Doom and Marvel coming out. That should tie up a bit of time!

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Newsflash for everyone! If they cant salvage this expansion by making a final patch with satisfactory content then there is little hope for the next expansion.

What makes you think this? Cats had a sub par final patch but mop was absolutely massive the same thing then happened with legion. End patches being bad have never reflected on the best expan.

[Musta]

After the disaster that BFA is. No surprise they will take a year to make shadowlands good enough. And with enough i mean "passable". Damn, I miss Legion.

[Dch48]

I don't really see what a 0.5 patch would even offer anything interesting. The faster BFA is over the better. Sadly we are looking at a content drought which will last at least 8 months if we're lucky.

I would say that the period between when people are done with 8.3 and the pre-patch for 9.0 hits will be no more than 4 months. That's normal people, not the rush to be first crowd.

[Shakana]

I think they are putting their resources on Shadowlands because deep inside they know bfa isn't great and they want to focus on next expansion.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

It’s WoD —> Legion all over again..

Wod had one patch bfa had 3, they are not comparable.

[Kaver]

Wod had one patch bfa had 3, they are not comparable.

That’s not what I meant.

[Azaael]

Seems to be that they realize that this expac was quite the trashfire, though couldn't really afford to cut it as short as they did WoD. That said choosing between 'taking more time to make a small patch' and 'Maybe getting more hands on deck to make Shadowlands as good as it can be' maybe they felt the latter was a better move all in all.

That said, if they can get it out around October at the latest(start of Q4), 9 months should be alright for a Max Wait Time, though they'd be better off I think dropping around August-Sept. They'll lose some in the summer slump(which to be fair can hit about any MMO), but maybe trying to go for quality here might be better.

I'm mostly playing Classic casually these days but I'll poke in to see a Void Elf DK to go with my warrior fella at least, though I've been sporadic at best during BfA; I just couldn't gel with it. Story put me off almost completely, gameplay didn't light me on fire, though I do try to pop back in to see the new patches. Probably the least time I've spent on an expac, though, and that includes WoD. I think I might feel better once whatever this story arc they're trying to tell is done.

That said I don't think they can afford to wait too far past October, and they definitely can't afford to under-deliver for Shadowlands. Nah, it still won't kill it(I really do think only time will do that), but it'll hit them needlessly if it's another bomb.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

That’s not what I meant.

Then elaborate.