[TV] The Mandalorian (*Spoilers*)

[Aurrora]

Wrong. If an expensive weapon can be easily countered - no one is going to invest in it. Thus no need for lots of interdictors - hence why they are mostly used for traffic control. Anyone who tries this trick - will get beaten up by a small fleet of Interdictors. So it's only a weapon for terrorists.

It can only work once - for the first time, and then whenever your enemy somehow has no Interdictors. Not a good investment - you are better off buying more X-wings.

Interdictors are an expensive counter to a cheap weapon though, not a cheap counter to an expensive weapon. Nearly every spaceship has a hyperdrive and you wouldn't need a ship the size of the Raddus for every attack because not every target is going to be the size of the Supremacy. Forcing your enemy to invest heavily in a fleet of Interdictors out of fear of what you might do? That's a winning strategy.

[Elim Garak]

Interdictors are an expensive counter to a cheap weapon though, not a cheap counter to an expensive weapon. Nearly every spaceship has a hyperdrive and you wouldn't need a ship the size of the Raddus for every attack because not every target is going to be the size of the Supremacy. Forcing your enemy to invest heavily in a fleet of Interdictors out of fear of what you might do? That's a winning strategy.

Wrong again. An interdictor is just a Star Destroyer or any other Capital Ship with Interdiction System. The interdiction system is reusable and cheaper in general because it's a single system.

To weaponize hyperdrive - you need propulsion and navigation as well and a droid to fly it. Not to mention a massive object. Like asteroid - they aren't exactly cheap - it's raw material, mineral or metal. Metal is preferred. Metal that could be used to make many more useful things. Not to mention the logistics of finding the right one for the job.

AND IT'S ALL WASTED AFTER A SINGLE USE

You also don't need a fleet of interdictors - just one per fleet of regular starships. 6 can cover a Death Star sized station.

And as I said before Interdictor has other uses as well.

[rhorle]

Wrong again. An interdictor is just a Star Destroyer or any other Capital Ship with Interdiction System. The interdiction system is reusable and cheaper in general because it's a single system.

Not exactly. The interdiction system is not cheaper in general if it requires a special type of ship and is relatively fragile. All mentions in Disney cannon have them being fairly easy to destroy and "discontinued" around the battle of Yavin. They all were primarily used to stop smuggling/trade rather then in War because of the ease at which they could be destroyed.

They didn't appear in the movies because they were created after they released. But they were just as expensive as anything else. Hyper drives are relatively cheap all things considered. Droids are relatively cheap. Anakin a "slave" managed to build one but not buy his freedom. Granted it wasn't much but it would be far cheaper then building a specialized Star Destroyer or Frigate.

Reusable does not mean cheaper. Sure interdiction would be much more common if it was a common weapon. But the technology has limits in the star wars fiction and wouldn't be able to be anywhere. It wouldn't be any different then now though because a strike time could take out the interdictor while the main force readies the hyper-weapons.

[PACOX]

I would say the Rebels just did not have the ships (or resources) plus access to fuel to just throw it away.

One of things that made the Rebels success was their ingenuity in the face of a lack of funds and resources.

They did not have access to many capital ships. Even then most of their corvettes, frigates, and fighters were outdated models from the Clone Wars, designs the Empire rejected, or repurposed vessels that they slapped guns and hangers on.

The X-wing was iconic because it was relatively easy to build and semi-independent. Everything thing the Rebels had was a valuable asset, where the Empire could afford to lose entire squadrons and a Star Destroyer or two without blinking.

A couple of Rebel outfits might be able to right a hyperspace weapon or two, but not the entire Rebel Alliance. Not when survival meant being scattered and not being to sit in one place for two.

Hell, even Mando had to settle for a ship that's older than him, which he struggled to fuel at the beginning of the series.

Like real world kamikazes of WW2 or modern IEDs, the side with the resources quickly adapts.

Even without Interdictors, there's all type of ISD escort craft in canon that blast any hunk of metal the Rebels might bring close enough to ram a ISD.

I wish people would complain more about Hammerhead not being used more. That's an actual ram that could work. Someone needs to beg Disney to put out something like a War Thunder/World of X game that's nothing but vehicle/space combat.

[Elim Garak]

Not exactly. The interdiction system is not cheaper in general if it requires a special type of ship and is relatively fragile. All mentions in Disney cannon have them being fairly easy to destroy and "discontinued" around the battle of Yavin. They all were primarily used to stop smuggling/trade rather then in War because of the ease at which they could be destroyed.

They didn't appear in the movies because they were created after they released. But they were just as expensive as anything else. Hyper drives are relatively cheap all things considered. Droids are relatively cheap. Anakin a "slave" managed to build one but not buy his freedom. Granted it wasn't much but it would be far cheaper then building a specialized Star Destroyer or Frigate.

Reusable does not mean cheaper. Sure interdiction would be much more common if it was a common weapon. But the technology has limits in the star wars fiction and wouldn't be able to be anywhere. It wouldn't be any different then now though because a strike time could take out the interdictor while the main force readies the hyper-weapons.

It is cheaper if you already have capital ships or a space station where you can install the interdiction system. Fragility is irrelevant - that's why you don't send it in alone - you send it as a part of a fleet - like in a carrier group - a carrier itself is fragile. If you cannot jump on top of it (hello, it's the interdictor) you cannot touch it.

Reusable IS cheaper. I'm not talking "a piece" here - I'm talking bulk. It should be pretty obvious why it is cheaper.

Weaponizing Hyperdrive is basically the cost of the entire Capital Ship - and it's not reusable. You will never convince me that a single Interdiction system costs more than an entire Capital Ship. And no the cost of a capital ship is not included in the cost of the Interdiction system because it doesn't really need a capital ship. You can just place it in space alone with the power generator.

[rhorle]

It is cheaper if you already have capital ships or a space station where you can install the interdiction system.

That isn't how it works. You don't just say I'm going to add the system to this Star Destroyer. They were specialized construction that reduced things like Fighter bays and shield strength. It isn't as simple as swapping out a graphics card.

Weaponizing hyperdrives does not have to be capital ships. Torpedoes. An A-wing aimed at the bridge/shields etc. Vader could have destroyed Echo base from orbit with a hyperdrive torpedo aimed at the shield generator. You are focusing on capital ships for no reason. They could be anything that has a hyper drive. Load a cargo ship up with bombs that spread on explosion and send it right into the atmosphere of the planet. Remote carpet bombing.

[Elim Garak]

That isn't how it works. You don't just say I'm going to add the system to this Star Destroyer. They were specialized construction that reduced things like Fighter bays and shield strength. It isn't as simple as swapping out a graphics card.

This is how it works. A fighter bay is just a slot with fighter bay equipment, remove fighter bay equipment and install interdictor equipment - done. A capital ship is just a case, you know, HULL and they are all standardized. They are mass-produced, remember? I believe in the sane minds of the engineers who most certainly envisioned MODIFICATIONS.

Weaponizing hyperdrives does not have to be capital ships. Torpedoes. An A-wing aimed at the bridge/shields etc. Vader could have destroyed Echo base from orbit with a hyperdrive torpedo aimed at the shield generator. You are focusing on capital ships for no reason. They could be anything that has a hyper drive. Load a cargo ship up with bombs that spread on explosion and send it right into the atmosphere of the planet. Remote carpet bombing.

That's silly, carpet bomb WHAT target on a planet? Just a random area that happens to be at the wrong time at the wrong place? What is the purpose of this BLIND carpet bombing? I do not contest the idea of that being possible - I'm pointing out that nothing is done just because it can be done. There has to be some kind of sense to it.

Also as we have seen in the movies a single A-wing can take out a Star Destroyer by just crashing into the Bridge Deck. No hyperdrive needed, even though A-wings have a hyperdrive. There's no need to complicate a weapon if kamikaze attacks are what you are after.

And again if Vader had a hyperspace torpedo - he would've used it - but then again I think the Echo base would've had an Interdiction generator as well in addition to the Shield generator. I have already explained this. You don't invest in a weapon that can be easily countered. The enemy have hyperspace torpedos? Build an interdiction generator at every base. Done.

Stop looking at the weapon only. It's just a small part of a system. Look at the system. Look at what makes sense in that system.

[rhorle]

This is how it works. A fighter bay is just a slot with fighter bay equipment, remove fighter bay equipment and install interdictor equipment - done. A capital ship is just a case, you know, HULL and they are all standardized. They are mass-produced, remember? I believe in the sane minds of the engineers who most certainly envisioned MODIFICATIONS.

Lol. That is not how it works. They look completely different from a normal star destroyer and have special gravity well generators. That are not just "putting some equipment in an empty fighter bay". Mass produced doesn't mean you can make something into anything. The word you are looking for is modular. Mass produced doesn't mean modular.

And what do you mean carpet bomb what? A target on the planet duh. Just because you are using a hyper drive doesn't mean wrong time or wrong place. How the hell do you think hyper drive delivers anyone anywhere if they can't pin point the time and place they are arriving? It is a galaxy filled with orbital bodies and everything.

And yes if hyper drive weapons were common then defenses against them would be created. But they were not. Hyper drives have existed for a lot longer then interdiction technology. It wasn't something that even existed in the galactic republic. That is the thing. The tech to counter it wasn't mainstream like hyper drives and blasters. Which means there is no reason why it shouldn't have been more common of a thing. It really does just come down to not being thought of by the care takers of Star Wars lore.

But something that is brought up by the recent Disney lore of by passing shields with hyper drives and skipping. It is just as bad as the mandalorian having the magic ship to evade radar detection.

[Aurrora]

Wrong again. An interdictor is just a Star Destroyer or any other Capital Ship with Interdiction System. The interdiction system is reusable and cheaper in general because it's a single system.

It's not "Just a Star Destroyer or any other Capital Ship with an Interdiction System." The Imperial interdiction technology is massive and takes up most of the ship, causing it to have significantly less offensive power than another ship its size. Due to its retconning into canon we can also surmise that this technology has to be extremely rare/expensive since they weren't available to bring to Hoth where their presence would have changed the outcome of the trilogy.

To weaponize hyperdrive - you need propulsion and navigation as well and a droid to fly it. Not to mention a massive object. Like asteroid - they aren't exactly cheap - it's raw material, mineral or metal. Metal is preferred. Metal that could be used to make many more useful things. Not to mention the logistics of finding the right one for the job.

AND IT'S ALL WASTED AFTER A SINGLE USE

You also don't need a fleet of interdictors - just one per fleet of regular starships. 6 can cover a Death Star sized station.

And as I said before Interdictor has other uses as well.

As I said, nearly every ship already has a hyperdrive. You don't need a massive object, because not every target is going to be the Supremacy and the entire First Order Fleet. A single starfighter or light freighter hitting a Star Destroyer at lightspeed is going to cause it to have a very bad day, and to weaponize its hyperdrive all you need is a droid or a sentient being with nothing left to lose to pilot it.

The range of the gravity well projectors isn't that big, you're going to need more than a single interdictor per fleet. Thrawn's fleet in Zero Hour had two positioned on the flanks and the loss of one opened up hyperspace travel on that side of his fleet. If you're bunching up your ships around interdictors to protect from a possible hyperdrive attack you're going to lose to conventional tactics because you'll be outmaneuvered. If you're building enough interdictors to give every ship a babysitter, you're losing a resource war, all because you're afraid of what your enemy might do.

It doesn't matter that a weaponized hyperdrive is wasted after a single use, we've clearly seen that a weaponized hyperdrive causes asymmetrical damages. Low investment, high payoff, expensive to counter, and countering it limits your opponents tactics.

[eschatological]

https://twitter.com/dveese/status/1220731940699090945

Apparently most of the Mandalorian was filmed indoors, using new tech. Crazy stuff in that tweet.

[rhorle]

https://twitter.com/dveese/status/1220731940699090945 Apparently most of the Mandalorian was filmed indoors, using new tech. Crazy stuff in that tweet.

No real set is the crazy part because it doesn't look like it.

[Elim Garak]

Lol. That is not how it works. They look completely different from a normal star destroyer and have special gravity well generators. That are not just "putting some equipment in an empty fighter bay". Mass produced doesn't mean you can make something into anything. The word you are looking for is modular. Mass produced doesn't mean modular.

Mass-produced does mean modularity when we are talking about capital ships - they don't exactly produce the whole HULL of a starship on a gigantic hull producing machine - it's assembled from smaller modular parts.
Adding well generators in place of huge hangars is not a problem, just remove the top layer of plating - and don't make any rooms above the hangar - and viola you have 4 holes in the hull in which to install the generators.

Already have a Star Destroyer that you want to repurpose for Interdiction? Put it into dock and remove plating and the rooms above hangars - that's basically what they did for the Prototype Interdictor.

And what do you mean carpet bomb what? A target on the planet duh. Just because you are using a hyper drive doesn't mean wrong time or wrong place. How the hell do you think hyper drive delivers anyone anywhere if they can't pin point the time and place they are arriving? It is a galaxy filled with orbital bodies and everything.

They can calculate the position of a planet on its orbit around the star (because it's a MASS), but I doubt they know much about the planetary rotation cycle at least not THAT precise. And I'm pretty sure there are deviations in where you actually exit hyperspace. You seem to be unaware of the scale here. It's like hitting a bulls-eye using a sniper rifle from 10000000000 miles away. You can hit the planet because you plot the path to its MASS in hyperspace, but anything specific on the planet? Only if it's half of its surface you are aiming for and you don't exactly know which of 360 halves it is gonna be anyway.

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It's not "Just a Star Destroyer or any other Capital Ship with an Interdiction System." The Imperial interdiction technology is massive and takes up most of the ship, causing it to have significantly less offensive power than another ship its size. Due to its retconning into canon we can also surmise that this technology has to be extremely rare/expensive since they weren't available to bring to Hoth where their presence would have changed the outcome of the trilogy.

Incorrect, it's not massive compared to the Capital Ship size. They didn't bring it to Hoth because It hadn't been even conceived yet. Don't mix these two things together.
Any Capital Ship can house it

As I said, nearly every ship already has a hyperdrive. You don't need a massive object, because not every target is going to be the Supremacy and the entire First Order Fleet. A single starfighter or light freighter hitting a Star Destroyer at lightspeed is going to cause it to have a very bad day, and to weaponize its hyperdrive all you need is a droid or a sentient being with nothing left to lose to pilot it.

You do need a massive object to use it to the effect we've seen in the movie. A single starfighter can do as much damage as just ramming in realspace. No hyperdrive needed.

The range of the gravity well projectors isn't that big, you're going to need more than a single interdictor per fleet. Thrawn's fleet in Zero Hour had two positioned on the flanks and the loss of one opened up hyperspace travel on that side of his fleet. If you're bunching up your ships around interdictors to protect from a possible hyperdrive attack you're going to lose to conventional tactics because you'll be outmaneuvered. If you're building enough interdictors to give every ship a babysitter, you're losing a resource war, all because you're afraid of what your enemy might do.

Obviously it depends on the fleet size. I fail to see your point though. You still don't need many of them per fleet.

It doesn't matter that a weaponized hyperdrive is wasted after a single use, we've clearly seen that a weaponized hyperdrive causes asymmetrical damages. Low investment, high payoff, expensive to counter, and countering it limits your opponents tactics.

It does matter. High investment, no payoff (because of interdiction), and interdiction doesn't limit any tactics. Like come on? How?

[Aurrora]

Mass-produced does mean modularity when we are talking about capital ships - they don't exactly produce the whole HULL of a starship on a gigantic hull producing machine - it's assembled from smaller modular parts.
Adding well generators in place of huge hangars is not a problem, just remove the top layer of plating - and don't make any rooms above the hangar - and viola you have 4 holes in the hull in which to install the generators.
Already have a Star Destroyer that you want to repurpose for Interdiction? Put it into dock and remove plating and the rooms above hangars - that's basically what they did for the Prototype Interdictor.

The gravity well generators don't fit where the hangars go, the gravilty well projectors fit where important ships systems are on a regular Star Destroyer, these are not modular designs.

You see that? The gravity well generators go in place of things like subsidiary reactors, and parts of the starboard and port engines. You can't just swap those out and still have a functioning starship.

Incorrect, it's not massive compared to the Capital Ship size. They didn't bring it to Hoth because It hadn't been even conceived yet. Don't mix these two things together.
Any Capital Ship can house it

It's literally massive compared to the capital ship size, the generators take up an enormous amount of the ship's mass. Have you never seen a picture of an Interdictor?

Notice what's missing to make room for the gravity well generators? Not to mention that the system protrudes above and below the hull.

You do need a massive object to use it to the effect we've seen in the movie. A single starfighter can do as much damage as just ramming in realspace. No hyperdrive needed.

That was ramming directly into the bridge's viewport, at lightspeed a small ship smacking into the hull is going to cause devastating damage, force = mass x acceleration.

Obviously it depends on the fleet size. I fail to see your point though. You still don't need many of them per fleet.

You're going to need as many interdictors as you have ships in your fleet if you want them to retain the same flexibility in positioning as they would without taking measures against hyperspace ramming.

It does matter. High investment, no payoff (because of interdiction)

THERE IS NO INVESTMENT, what are you not getting about this? Ships with hyperdrives are plentiful, the Raddus wasn't some ship specially designed for ramming into the enemy and the damage is caused was absolutely devastating. The only thing you would really need to invest in to create a morally acceptable capital ship for ramming is a completely droid crew, such that it could function as a warship without a living crew onboard. Then if you don't use it to ram a target, guess what? You still have a capital ship, one you could even use for any other tactics that would benefit from the presence of an expendable ship, such as the conventional ramming we've seen executed several times in canon material.

and interdiction doesn't limit any tactics. Like come on? How?

It limits your tactics if you're using them out of fear of a hyperdrive attack, because then you're bunching your fleet around your interdictor instead of allowing your ships the ability to maneuver against the enemy ships and catch them in crossfires. Also, have you read the Thrawn: Treason novel? He uses a tactic there that allows for his ships to exit hyperspace directly on top of the enemy thanks to an interdiction field. If you have your fleet all bunched up around an interdictor to prevent them from being hyperspace rammed, your opponent only needs to plot a hyperspace jump across your fleet to exit directly on top of your ships ready to empty their guns in your face.

[Elim Garak]

The gravity well generators don't fit where the hangars go, the gravilty well projectors fit where important ships systems are on a regular Star Destroyer, these are not modular designs.
You see that? The gravity well generators go in place of things like subsidiary reactors, and parts of the starboard and port engines. You can't just swap those out and still have a functioning starship.

Every space ship is a modular design. Do you see those bulkheads? That's the skeleton - everything else is attached to them. Regular SD and Interdictor have the same skeleton. They just have different systems inside and different outer plating. Everything inside the ship can be moved according to the engineering needs and within the confines of the skeleton hull (and accounting for the size of the equipment of course) - at the time of assembly or refitting. For fuck sake, we can do it with our cars here on Earth. Refitting is even a word.

Maybe one needs an engineering education to get it, I don't know.

It's literally massive compared to the capital ship size, the generators take up an enormous amount of the ship's mass. Have you never seen a picture of an Interdictor?
Notice what's missing to make room for the gravity well generators? Not to mention that the system protrudes above and below the hull.

So, as I said earlier - remove plating and rooms in those areas and fill the holes with those "spheres" protruding including. It's not a big issue. It takes time to refit an SD like that but SW has droids to do the dirty work.

That was ramming directly into the bridge's viewport, at lightspeed a small ship smacking into the hull is going to cause devastating damage, force = mass x acceleration.

You are missing the point. You don't need to use lightspeed. Not to mention that guy didn't want to ram it - it just happened. But surprisingly the rest of Rebels didn't just go "Hey, we can kamikaze them all", I wonder why.

You're going to need as many interdictors as you have ships in your fleet if you want them to retain the same flexibility in positioning as they would without taking measures against hyperspace ramming.

No, ships in a fleet are generally sticking together, hence it's called a FLEET. If one ship needs to go on a solo mission - it doesn't need Interdictor support. A solo ship can be taken out without hyperspace weapons, and wasting a hyperspace weapon against a single ship is idiotic anyway and if rebels are idiots to do that - who cares - it's a solo ship. Your point is Interdictors are expensive and they can't have that many anyway - so nothing changes in their tactics. They keep the Interdictor with the fleet and solo ships are on their own as if there were no interdictors at all.

Do you even think this thru?

THERE IS NO INVESTMENT, what are you not getting about this?

I don't know... the cost of the Calamari Cruiser for one? You know, THAT investment. If you've just hand waved it - please tell me you are not a financial advisor for anyone.

It limits your tactics if you're using them out of fear of a hyperdrive attack, because then you're bunching your fleet around your interdictor instead of allowing your ships the ability to maneuver against the enemy ships and catch them in crossfires. Also, have you read the Thrawn: Treason novel? He uses a tactic there that allows for his ships to exit hyperspace directly on top of the enemy thanks to an interdiction field. If you have your fleet all bunched up around an interdictor to prevent them from being hyperspace rammed, your opponent only needs to plot a hyperspace jump across your fleet to exit directly on top of your ships ready to empty their guns in your face.

No. It doesn't. You can use any tactics with interdictors that you could use without them and then some more tactics that involve interdictors. Just because you have an interdictor doesn't mean you are bound by the Laws of the Universe to keep all your fleet around it, no matter what.

[Mormolyce]

"You are being ridiculous because you don't accept MY head canon!"

I'm literally arguing against headcanon here.

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The problem with arguing science in star wars, or that any real logic should apply, is that it's a space fantasy series about magic wizards.

We don't know what standard carbon freezing looks like. We don't know how Carbon freezing technology advanced in between Episode 6 and the Mandalorian. You have no grounds upon which to compare any form of carbon freezing to... well, anything. Because Carbon Freezing isn't real. The process used to do it isn't real. The equipment involved isn't real. How the equipment works is never described. How far ranging the applications of Carbon Freezing go are never discussed. Who was developing Carbon Freezing technology and for what purposes are never detailed. We have only the context of what's presented in the movies, which is very little. Certainly not enough to hand wave away what we saw in the Mandalorian as being some egregious breach of lore.

Not every trivial thing needs reams and reams of dialogue to explain it. That's usually seen as patently bad writing.

You just spent a lot of time disputing a point I wasn't making.

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Are you being obtuse on purpose? I never said they were literally cardboard boxes. What I am saying is many different equipment can produce the same standardized product. Like a cardboard box. Or a doughnut like I used earlier. I am not dying on any hill. You are the one dying by clinging to your incorrect notion of what is canon and what is not.

Well you're very confused, because I am not debating the canonicity of anything here, I'm just saying it's bad writing. I have no idea how you've gotten so turned around, honestly. It's a very simple point.

[Aurrora]

Every space ship is a modular design. Do you see those bulkheads? That's the skeleton - everything else is attached to them. Regular SD and Interdictor have the same skeleton. They just have different systems inside and different outer plating. Everything inside the ship can be moved according to the engineering needs and within the confines of the skeleton hull (and accounting for the size of the equipment of course) - at the time of assembly or refitting. For fuck sake, we can do it with our cars here on Earth. Refitting is even a word.

Maybe one needs an engineering education to get it, I don't know.



So, as I said earlier - remove plating and rooms in those areas and fill the holes with those "spheres" protruding including. It's not a big issue. It takes time to refit an SD like that but SW has droids to do the dirty work.

Lol, ok buddy, you're just going to plop down a component the ship wasn't designed to carry right where critical ships systems are supposed to be and think you have a functioning starship and you think I need the engineering education?

You're actually blind and listening to this with a text to speech program aren't you? You can see in the cross section right there that dropping those gravity well generators in there wouldn't be "removing some rooms" it would be "removing the engines that allow the ship to steer".

And no, they're not the same skeleton, just because every Imperial starship has a triangular design doesn't make them the same ship. Interdictors, Victory Class Destroyers, Imperial Class Destroyers, Executor Class Destroyers, they're all different skeletons.

You are missing the point. You don't need to use lightspeed. Not to mention that guy didn't want to ram it - it just happened. But surprisingly the rest of Rebels didn't just go "Hey, we can kamikaze them all", I wonder why.

You don't need to use lightspeed if you can maneuver your starship into the viewport of the bridge, but that's not always possible and you're not going to want to kamikaze your fighter pilots anyways. Equipping some cheap small civilian craft with a droid brain and instruction to hyperdrive anywhere into the hull is another matter.

No, ships in a fleet are generally sticking together, hence it's called a FLEET. If one ship needs to go on a solo mission - it doesn't need Interdictor support. A solo ship can be taken out without hyperspace weapons, and wasting a hyperspace weapon against a single ship is idiotic anyway and if rebels are idiots to do that - who cares - it's a solo ship. Your point is Interdictors are expensive and they can't have that many anyway - so nothing changes in their tactics. They keep the Interdictor with the fleet and solo ships are on their own as if there were no interdictors at all.

Do you even think this thru?

I'm not talking about sending vessels off on solo missions. I'm talking about your ability to position the ships in your fleet to combine their fields of fire, or to spread out far enough that they're not running into each other when taking evasive action or getting hit by the debris of another ship in the fleet being destroyed. Conventional fleet tactics in the Star Wars universe has capital ships kilometers apart, the range of an interdictor isn't that large. You'd have your ships packed so tight to remain safe from weaponized hyperdrive tech that they'd be exceptionally vulnerable to conventional tactics.

I don't know... the cost of the Calamari Cruiser for one? You know, THAT investment. If you've just hand waved it - please tell me you are not a financial advisor for anyone.

As you've kept trying to point out with your defense of overinvesting in Interdictors, "And as I said before Interdictor has other uses as well." The same holds true for a full capital ship being run by droids. It's perfectly capable of performing a role as a standard capital ship, with the added possibility of being used as a morally acceptable sacrificial piece.

No. It doesn't. You can use any tactics with interdictors that you could use without them and then some more tactics that involve interdictors. Just because you have an interdictor doesn't mean you are bound by the Laws of the Universe to keep all your fleet around it, no matter what.

You're not bound by the laws of the universe to keep your fleet around it. You're bound by the crippling fear you apparently now have of weaponized hyperdrive that is forcing to invest in expensive technology to counteract an inexpensive weapon, and that's exactly what this is, it's a fleet scale version of a suicide vest.

[Darththeo]

I'm literally arguing against headcanon here.

Most of the time when someone says they are arguing against headcanon, they are arguing with their own.

[Elim Garak]

Lol, ok buddy, you're just going to plop down a component the ship wasn't designed to carry right where critical ships systems are supposed to be and think you have a functioning starship and you think I need the engineering education?

No, I will not JUST plop down a component. I will install it properly. And a critical ship component is only critical in the sense that it is required - not that it is required to be in a specific spot. Maybe it needs to be next to another component - then both of them move - if need be. But it should be pretty obvious that gravity wells were installed in place of hangars and crew quarters where there was no major equipment, it's only logical to reduce the amount or refitting required. That's how an engineer would've done it.

You're actually blind and listening to this with a text to speech program aren't you? You can see in the cross section right there that dropping those gravity well generators in there wouldn't be "removing some rooms" it would be "removing the engines that allow the ship to steer".

No, the wells are at the sides of the engine. And you have no cross-section of an interdictor - so you are talking out of your ass.
Are you implying Interdictors have no engine? Maybe they replaced that huge engine with a smaller one. Do you even know?

And no, they're not the same skeleton, just because every Imperial starship has a triangular design doesn't make them the same ship. Interdictors, Victory Class Destroyers, Imperial Class Destroyers, Executor Class Destroyers, they're all different skeletons.

I said same skeleton, not the same ship. Skeleton is also modular in case you didn't know and can be modified.

You don't need to use lightspeed if you can maneuver your starship into the viewport of the bridge, but that's not always possible and you're not going to want to kamikaze your fighter pilots anyways. Equipping some cheap small civilian craft with a droid brain and instruction to hyperdrive anywhere into the hull is another matter.

A droid can easily maneuver an A-wing right into the viewport of the bridge. For a ship to hyperspace through a capital ship - it needs to fly straight at it - i.e. it will be shot down. And I doubt the effect of the hyperjump of a small craft can do any serious damage to the capital ship - unless it's aimed at the bridge, which is very hard to do from afar because the capital ship is not stationary.

Remember the reaction of the Hux and other officers when they realized what Holdo was doing? They wanted to destroy it but since they were focused on the transports they had no time to retarget their fire. But if they could they would've shot down Holdo before she made the jump - the jump does take some time to spool the hyperdrive, she also needed to bypass safety protocols.

I'm not talking about sending vessels off on solo missions. I'm talking about your ability to position the ships in your fleet to combine their fields of fire, or to spread out far enough that they're not running into each other when taking evasive action or getting hit by the debris of another ship in the fleet being destroyed. Conventional fleet tactics in the Star Wars universe has capital ships kilometers apart, the range of an interdictor isn't that large. You'd have your ships packed so tight to remain safe from weaponized hyperdrive tech that they'd be exceptionally vulnerable to conventional tactics.

What are you talking about? The range of interdictors must be several thousand miles. If not dozens. Do you even know how it works? It creates a gravity well to mimic a PLANET. Planets are dozens of thousands of miles wide, at the very least.

Just think about it - what use is of Interdictor that can only cover under 100km considering that each SD is at least a mile long and the need to spread out? 100km is nothing in space. It wouldn't even work with that small of a range. Since there's no actual data in canon on its range - we are gonna refer to common sense. A single interdictor can cover a fleet that can fit into a small moon. 4 interdictors can cover any reasonably sized fleet, spread as wide as need be.

As you've kept trying to point out with your defense of overinvesting in Interdictors, "And as I said before Interdictor has other uses as well." The same holds true for a full capital ship being run by droids. It's perfectly capable of performing a role as a standard capital ship, with the added possibility of being used as a morally acceptable sacrificial piece.

But you don't lose interdictor after use. Interdictors are cheaper that way. No one in their right mind will invest in hyperdrive weapons when there are interdictors. Case closed.

You're not bound by the laws of the universe to keep your fleet around it. You're bound by the crippling fear you apparently now have of weaponized hyperdrive that is forcing to invest in expensive technology to counteract an inexpensive weapon, and that's exactly what this is, it's a fleet scale version of a suicide vest.

What fear? You have interdictors. IF your enemy has hyperdrive weapons - it's their only weapon - you can use a single tactic to obliterate them. Interdictors, tight fleet, focus fire. That's it. It's the best tactic against hyperdrive weapons - so there's no need for any other tactic. It's in no way a limitation.

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Well you're very confused, because I am not debating the canonicity of anything here, I'm just saying it's bad writing. I have no idea how you've gotten so turned around, honestly. It's a very simple point.

So you said it was included as fan service. Using something that is canon is not fan service or bad writing. Making an X-wing look like an X-wing is not fan service or bad writing. Making Mandalorian armor look like Mandalorian armor is not fan service or bad writing. Making hibernation carbonite look like hibernation carbonite is not fan service or bad writing.

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I'm literally arguing against headcanon here.

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You just spent a lot of time disputing a point I wasn't making.

You're saying that because we understood carbon freezing, a made up technology, to work one way because of one movie (that takes place before this show) that showing it employed in a slightly different form because you personally think it couldn't ever get their in-universe (a judgement based on nothing) is "bad writing."

A point I disagree with and enumerated upon.