Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[mvaliz]

I don't care why it turns off potential fence sitting boomers and others, I just care that it does. Period. Pete was out in my book because he is gay. I hate - HATE - saying that, but we are not ready for a gay president in this country. Period.

What you're saying is the exact same argument people made about Obama and America won't vote for a Black Man for president (Given Dump's regime, some might argue that's still somewhat true. :P) And honestly I believe there was far more hatred towards a Black Person being President than a white gay one.

I get the fear you have, I do. But I really don't think it's nearly as bad as you're making it out to be. In fact, it might be a bit of a boon because it does give him that "outsider/underdog" cred that's so desperately needed and useful.

EDIT: While I would vote for Bloomburg if it happened... good god I do NOT like the president that would create if he ended up the lead as that basically means anybody could buy their way into an elected position. Fuck, Oprah should actually run then! Remember when people say that shit wouldn't fly when those BS rumors were flying around? >_<

Again, Pritzker is doing good - and that's nice - but I still don't like how he bought his way into the position. =/

[Edge-]

Look at the Trump rally in NH....52000 tickets sold and 25% were registered Democrats!

Brad Parscale is not a reputable source for information. Was there anyone remotely credible that backed this garbage up?

[Wyrt]

Why would he fear him? He just has to use the "S" word and it will work wonders. Look at the Trump rally in NH....52000 tickets sold and 25% were registered Democrats! WTF are the Dems doing? Even the new Quinnipiac poll showing Bernie ahead of Trump with independents is likely flawed for the same reason as polls from 2016 - when the media drives the narrative that one option is totally bad (true or otherwise), people do not report their true intentions to pollsters.

Republicans use the "S" word literally every fucking election. They used it on Obama ffs.

[Somewhatconcerned]

Republicans use the "S" word literally every fucking election. They used it on Obama ffs.

That's true, but with Bernie it will be 100x worse.

[mvaliz]

Republicans use the "S" word literally every fucking election. They used it on Obama ffs.

It was Buttigege who said something to the effect of "No matter what policy we do or hold, they're going to call it Socialism no matter what.".

[beanman12345]

That's true, but with Bernie it will be 100x worse.

And equally as effective, IE not at all.

[Edge-]

That's true, but with Bernie it will be 100x worse.

No he's not. Whoever gets the nomination is 100x worse. It's a bullshit criticism and everyone with a half-functional brain knows it.

[mvaliz]

Good rant, but Trump fears him and to be honest... even dogshit on the side of the road is more attractive than grifter Trump.

TexasRules fearposting about Bernie Sanders really kinda shows how terrified of him running vs the others are, trying to dissuade us from selecting him. That's a great endorsement for Bernie right there. :P

[Wyrt]

That's true, but with Bernie it will be 100x worse.

And it still won't be true since Sander's policies all fall in Social Democracy(you know, what they have in Europe) and not actually socialism.

Republicans will eat it up. No one else will buy it. This isn't the 1950s anymore. Everyone has access to the internet and information from other countries now and can see just how mainstream Sanders' policies are.

[cubby]

What you're saying is the exact same argument people made about Obama and America won't vote for a Black Man for president (Given Dump's regime, some might argue that's still somewhat true. :P) And honestly I believe there was far more hatred towards a Black Person being President than a white gay one.

I get the fear you have, I do. But I really don't think it's nearly as bad as you're making it out to be. In fact, it might be a bit of a boon because it does give him that "outsider/underdog" cred that's so desperately needed and useful.

EDIT: While I would vote for Bloomburg if it happened... good god I do NOT like the president that would create if he ended up the lead as that basically means anybody could buy their way into an elected position. Fuck, Oprah should actually run then! Remember when people say that shit wouldn't fly when those BS rumors were flying around? >_<

Again, Pritzker is doing good - and that's nice - but I still don't like how he bought his way into the position. =/

No, it's not. Because when Obama was running, whomever the DNC nominated was going to win the Presidency. McCain/I-can-see-Russia-from-my-house was a farce of a ticket.

Now, we're fighting for America's soul.

Oprah should have run. I would have voted for her in a second. People are conflating Donnie Dumb Dumb's "billionaire" status with other, actual, billionaires. Trump isn't and might never have been one. So making analogies to him is self destructive.

Bloomberg is a self-made billionaire, worth a verified $55B IIRC.
Oprah is also a billionaire. Verified.

Both are exceedingly bright and know how to work with a variety of people.

[Baby Boy]

And it still won't be true since Sander's policies all fall in Social Democracy(you know, what they have in Europe) and not actually socialism.

Republicans will eat it up. No one else will buy it. This isn't the 1950s anymore. Everyone has access to the internet and information from other countries now and can see just how mainstream Sanders' policies are.

Seeing how a lot of people on this forums "buy" conspiracy theories, I think you will be amazed.

[Edge-]

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020...cratic-primary

Tulsi Gabbard is totes fine with Trump's behavior in Ukraine and is totally fine with the recent purge of people who testified.

In case anyone was wondering, she's still a shoe-in for the Republican primary.

[Endus]

I know you guys really really really really really really hate Trump and would vote for anyone to beat him....but do you want to give your nomination to someone who doesn't want to be in your party? I don't even understand how you let an independent pretend to be in your party and let him hijack the nomination over the most fake senator running, the senator nobody knows, the gay mayor who black people hate, a bad version of Mr Howell, and the zombie who keeps saying the wrong thing every chance he gets. Your media overlords said this group is b level this weekend, I think that is too high of a grade. You can keep trying to run on Trump hatred, but the group you have running has nothing worth voting for otherwise. So are you okay having the independent who has a giant closet full of socialist videos against him as your best shot at the presidency?

Yes, every single Democratic candidate is head and shoulders better than Trump. Most of your allegations are equally true of Trump himself.

Warren is "fake"? Trump has literally been found responsible for running a fake university, and fined over it, among other lawbreaking.
Buttigieg is "hated by black people"? Trump is notoriously, overtly racist.
Bloomberg is a "bad version of Mr. Howell"? Trump is a bad version of Ebenezer Scrooge, Howell at least was a decent guy at heart.
Biden is a "zombie"? He's in better health than Trump is.

And Trump wasn't just "an independent". Trump was a Democratic voter, for years.

And nobody who'd consider voting for the Democrats is gonna panic at someone uttering the S-word. Maybe you can't see past McCarthyist propaganda from the '50s, but most Americans aren't that ridiculous.

That's true, but with Bernie it will be 100x worse.

Why? He won't care if he gets called a "socialist". They're gonna call him names anyway, he may as well not give a shit when they do.

[derpkitteh]

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020...cratic-primary

Tulsi Gabbard is totes fine with Trump's behavior in Ukraine and is totally fine with the recent purge of people who testified.

In case anyone was wondering, she's still a shoe-in for the Republican primary.

i honestly wish she'd go republican for 2024. so she could drop the gun and immigration shit, though she might just personally believe in that stuff. cause other than that, she's absolutely perfect, since she questions the CIA, questions our foreign involvements, supports free speech. she's honestly just so amazing.

though, the last president to question the CIA was assassinated shortly after doing so. so maybe she should keep that a bit more quiet.

[Edge-]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/andrew...a=twitter_page

And Yang is out.

[Shadowferal]

Okay...so now we need to know who he will support.
hm...just to play with this...a Warren/Yang ticket? Doesn't seem likely...I really don't see him as VP material.

[beanman12345]

Okay...so now we need to know who he will support.
hm...just to play with this...a Warren/Yang ticket? Doesn't seem likely...I really don't see him as VP material.

Castro endorsed warren immediately after he dropped out, so i'm sure he's on her short list.

[Edge-]

Okay...so now we need to know who he will support.
hm...just to play with this...a Warren/Yang ticket? Doesn't seem likely...I really don't see him as VP material.

He's not.

If he was tapped for anything, he's a shoe-in for this Obama created position - https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov...ation/eop/sicp

[derpkitteh]

dammit. yang was one of the legit ones.

i wanted those freedombux. oh well, maybe one day we'll get UBI. it's probably inevitable, i'd hope anyway.

[Telogrus]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/andrew...a=twitter_page

And Yang is out.

Even though he only stayed in the single digits in the polls, his run has been infinitely more impactful than people like Amy and Pete, who are full of hot air and will have had no impact on the national conversation when their run inevitably ends. Yang brought UBI, an idea that would have been laughed at by a huge majority of the population previously, to the national conversation, made a strong case for it, and changed a lot of people’s perspectives on it. He was kinda like a mini Bernie since Bernie’s run in 2016 played a large part in shifting the politics of the Dems. He was probably my 2nd favorite candidate, so it’s sad to see him go. Hope he endorses Bernie. Thought I heard him say some good stuff about Bernie earlier.