TBC 2: Crusade Harder • Do you think Blizzard will run a user poll?

[Lolites]

I would hope this is what we all want, retail to actually be good again. Hopefully the popularity of Classic will help with this.

well given the popularity of classic worked the same way as for every wow expansion - huge peak and then rolling down the hill - im not sure how that could help anything...

[Huntingbear_grimbatol]

And """top guilds""" are <1% of the playerbase.

Why do we get all whiny and cry that things are too easy when only <1% of the playerbase is clearing things quickly?

Weekly pug run cleared BWL in around 5 hrs, with trash gear and only half of us knew eachother from previous pug runs. BWL is a huge step up from MC, but it’s still extremely pug friendly.

[Aphrel]

in 2.4.3 the hp was reduced

that was 5%. Not 40% lol.

[Rusken]

I think it's inevitable. They said during Blizzcon Q&A's that they were open to the idea providing Classic proved successful. I personally think the schedule will go something like;

Launch - August
BG's - December
BWL - February
ZG - April
AQ event - May
AQ open - June
Naxx - September

TBC announcement - Blizzcon (November)

TBC probably wouldn't need a very long, if any Beta testing since so much of the Beta testing for Classic was Stability testing and they'll be internally testing the PvE content months in advance. Maybe looking at a Q2 2021 launch.

They've realised that a lot of Classic players just stop playing when they're done with each raid and they need to keep up with player interest.

[LilSaihah]

I'd love to see it.
I'd be very curious how they'd handle the Arena seasons, since each season was balanced differently.
There was also the soft blocking of T5 content behind needing to have so many clears of prior raids that you had such a difficult time actually getting people into the raids. If it's 2.3 balance that'll be skipped.
I'm sure there are plenty of other problems in the line, but I'd still like to see it.

[Will]

Re-releaseing tbc with the tuning of the last patch will be just as big a disaster for the pve content that wow classic has been.

The nerfs to content that came in several waves over the patches and buffs to classes that came out during tbc was enourmous.

They wouldn't need to do that with TBC if they have the patch archives. I seem to recall them saying with Classic they HAD to use the latest patch as it was the first one they'd found archives for.

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classic tripled their revenue so its safe to assume Classic has 3x more players than retail currently. TBC will be inevitable if they want to hold those numbers.

The only people who say stupid nonsense like that are people who don't actually play Retail and only play Classic so they don't really have a grasp of the reality of just how many more people actually play Retail. I'm not hating on Classic -- I like it. But it's small fry in comparison in terms of playerbase size.

Classic tripled their revenue for a month or two because people obviously re-subbed to 'check it out'. Then the tourists moved on. That's how it has always worked and always will work.

And this same reason is why TBC is a no-brainer. There would once again be that enormous burst of re-subs for relatively (compared to Retail) little work required, and by a much smaller team. People can argue otherwise as much as they want, but ActiBlizz are a business which means their goal is to make money, so they'll go where the easy money is, love it or hate it.

[Demithio]

TBC is a must, poll or no poll. I (and many others) would resub for TBC for certain.

[Kutsman]

I started playing WoW during the middle of TBC and by the time I hit level 70 the Isle of Quel 'Danas/Sunwell Plateau patch was about a month or so in. Nostalgia is a big factor here but I never had so much fun as I did back in TBC. If they make TBC like they have done WoW Classic then they will keep my subscription.

[Craaazyyy]

The only people who say stupid nonsense like that are people who don't actually play Retail and only play Classic so they don't really have a grasp of the reality of just how many more people actually play Retail. I'm not hating on Classic -- I like it. But it's small fry in comparison in terms of playerbase size.

Classic tripled their revenue for a month or two because people obviously re-subbed to 'check it out'. Then the tourists moved on. That's how it has always worked and always will work.

classic created a single highest increase in subscribtions in the history of the game, even now wow subs remain at a double of what they were before Classic release(and the numbers are being compared to early july right after the release of 8.2, so you cant tie these high sub numbers to the release of 8.3, unless you think 8.3 drew way more people back than 8.2 with new zones and stuff)

also i bet a huge chunk of tourists were current retail players, so that argument doesn't work

obviously classic didn't retain an insane amount of players it had in the beginning, but i'm pretty sure it still has a lot more players than you think.. and possibly more players than retail.. it's extremely popular in the east

i agree that TBC is a no brainer ofc

[Akka]

Re-releaseing tbc with the tuning of the last patch will be just as big a disaster for the pve content that wow classic has been.

The nerfs to content that came in several waves over the patches and buffs to classes that came out during tbc was enourmous.

Yep.
TBC needs to be 2.1 or not to be.

[arkanon]

even now wow subs remain at a double of what they were before Classic release

Source please?

[Seranthor]

Source please?

I'm interested to see those numbers as well...

[docterfreeze]

It would be ironic if they released TBC with flying even though the classic playerbase hates it.

[Spotnick]

Of course it will happen, after 6 months of Naxxramas, a LOT of the players will have no reason to play Classic and it will then swap to the private server crowd mostly.

What people fail to understand is that it doesn't mean Classic servers will vanish, you can just chose your WOW flavor to play... just won't have 50 servers as people will be more distributed.

[czarek]

What about TBC+ /discuss.

[probert]

Re-releaseing tbc with the tuning of the last patch will be just as big a disaster for the pve content that wow classic has been.

The nerfs to content that came in several waves over the patches and buffs to classes that came out during tbc was enourmous.

They have more granularity to the patches in TBC than they did with Classic -- classic they didn't have the incremental builds.

Certainly they couldn't use the last patch; it had a 30% nerf to most content and all the attunements were eliminated as I remember.

They'd need to step it back to Sunwell level patch at the most. Ideally they follow the patch cycle as best as possible.

[CostinR]

Certainly they couldn't use the last patch; it had a 30% nerf to most content and all the attunements were eliminated as I remember.

The last patch was the Wrath pre-patch. It wasn't really a BC patch. The last version of BC is 2.4.3 and they should use that because like with Vanilla a lot of the design of classes was broken earlier on in BC then later on. Nevermind that many bugs that plagued earlier versions. I played retail BC from beginning to end and through most of the content when it was relevant and I really wouldn't recommend that Blizzard do anything outside of releasing 2.4.3 with the gear for it ( though obviously not having badge gear for ZA available at launch for clear reasons ).

Should it be buffed? To some extent I think there's room but mainly for an HP buff.

[munkeyinorbit]

It would be ironic if they released TBC with flying even though the classic playerbase hates it.

Vanilla players would be destroyed by BC raids. they are like 13 X harder than what vanilla ever was. Except for Kara. Classicists would probably just raid Kara.

[Lord Pebbleton]

Ugh no please

[Kaleredar]

It would be ironic if they released TBC with flying even though the classic playerbase hates it.

Well I mean BC released with flying... if they’re gonna make BC servers, they’re going to have flying on them.

At any rate, people paying money for a temporary nostalgia hit to pump more funds into actual WoW? Sure, why not. People can go farm coilfang armaments and get their tanks poached after gearing them up for BT all over again.