Mega-Thread: Democratic 2020 Primaries

[JohnBrown1917]

Telling people they shouldn't vote or vote for the far-right candidate is so left-wing.

I never said anybody should vote for the far right. Voting for racist fucks who have no problem letting you die because you can't afford healthcare, while bombing countries in the ME? Yeah, fuck that.


Voting for them just means they don't have to change any of their policies.

[downnola]

You are basically telling people to get in line for the cause, it's up to Joe Biden to work and win Bernie voters not just in deed but platform really early on. Hillary lost to Trump due to a number of demographics not showing up that's on her but I don't see people berating black people, suburban women and latinos for not voting for her in numbers like the past.

Biden has a shot at beating Trump and it involves not taking any vote for granted like Hillary did, if Biden does a true outreach to Bernie voters he will get a good chunk of them. If he acts like Hillary Clinton and thinks he got it in the bag he will end up with pie on his face like her.

I've already stated I'm still voting Bernie when it's Ohio's time to vote. There's still a chance that Bernie could win here, so I'm not on the Biden train like others in this thread. But if he wins, I'm going to vote for him because he's a better option than Trump for president. It doesn't mean I agree with him or think he's the best candidate for the country, I can't help how others vote. If Biden wins then it's time to focus on congress and supporting people who are more like Bernie, AOC, and Omar. That's where the real battle is.

The thing I hate most about presidential elections is how much importance it puts on the executive branch. People think it's the political endgame when it's not, congress is. Would it help if Bernie was president? Yeah, it would but he'd better off if we had more people like AOC in the house and senate.

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I never said anybody should vote for the far right. Voting for racist fucks who have no problem letting you die because you can't afford healthcare, while bombing countries in the ME? Yeah, fuck that.

You're so principled, good for you. The guy I responded to was saying that he would.

[JohnBrown1917]

Solidarity is a foreign concept to corporate democrats, I'm well aware.

Oh, they do have it. When it comes to overthrowing left-wing governments. I'm sure the fascist government of Bolivia was really happy with all the support they got from the US.

[JohnBrown1917]

You're so principled, good for you. The guy I responded to was saying that he would.

No where did he say that in the posts I quoted.

[Draco-Onis]

I've already stated I'm still voting Bernie when it's Ohio's time to vote. There's still a chance that Bernie could win here, so I'm not on the Biden train like others in this thread. But if he wins, I'm going to vote for him because he's a better option than Trump for president. It doesn't mean I agree with him or think he's the best candidate for the country, I can't help how others vote. If Biden wins then it's time to focus on congress and supporting people who are more like Bernie, AOC, and Omar. That's where the real battle is.

The thing I hate most about presidential elections is how much importance it puts on the executive branch. People think it's the political endgame when it's not, congress is. Would it help if Bernie was president? Yeah, it would be, but he'd better off if we had more people like AOC in the house and senate.

This is what I don't understand you see Trump won the nomination he groveled and humiliated himself to get the support of the religious right. Hillary won the first thing she did was basically think blacks, progressives, latinos would automatically vote for her. I understand you are pragmatic but you cannot expect everyone to do the same. The republican side understands they have to work for the vote even if the person is in your party, it's the same thing on the democratic side.

Hillary failed because she sucked at this if Biden fails it's on him too not the voters.

[starlord]

Solidarity is a foreign concept to corporate democrats, I'm well aware.

thats really funny, since you have been trying to erase solidarity within US dems by posting lies.

[Edge-]

I mean when he actually implements it, not just promises it in his campaign.

https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/w...ck-obama.html/

Ok, and? I don't see Biden on that list, so I'm not sure what your point is.

Biden will break promises?

Ok, why wouldn't Sanders, then? Because your attack seems fairly general and aimed at presidents overall. You...realize that, right?

[JohnBrown1917]

thats really funny, since you have been trying to erase solidarity within US dems by posting lies.

Cute that you're already assuming the left-wing of the dems is already behind Biden.

[Dextroden]

Ok, and? I don't see Biden on that list, so I'm not sure what your point is.

Biden will break promises?

Ok, why wouldn't Sanders, then? Because your attack seems fairly general and aimed at presidents overall. You...realize that, right?

Counterpoint. How is Biden going to pass this when you guys are saying healthcare reform is too risky? Sounds like it'll be abandoned.

[downnola]

No where did he say that in the posts I quoted.

Literally supporting far-right candidates to own the libs.

[starlord]

Cute that you're already assuming the left-wing of the dems is already behind Biden.

not if you have anything to say about it, right?

[Edge-]

Sanders is legitimately the first politician I've seen working his ass off for the cause through grass root movements and everything imaginable. Sanders isn't just like every other politician, most of them grow up with a silver spoon up their asses, get carried through university and handed a political post because of corporate or nepotist connections.

https://www.biography.com/political-figure/joe-biden

Biden was not born with a silver spoon in his mouth.

You keep talking out of your ass and keep being wrong about shit. Educate and inform yourself, casual searches don't take much time and can make you a more informed poster who isn't slinging inaccurate information or disinformation uncritically.

[starlord]

I am still a bit curious as the current and ongoing strategy from 2016 that continues to paint Bernie Supporters as the bad guys?

We have no way of knowing how many, but being generous as say 10% of them are the boogeyman BernieBro. Then you as a Democratic candidate are going to call all his supporters the equivalent of the worst Trump Supporters. After you win the primary you are then going to turn around in the fall and wonder why they aren't excited to vote for you? That doesn't seem logical. Biden has yet to really do that, but well see what his campaign thinks is the right call.

if you don't want to be seen as "bad guys", stop spreading right wing propaganda about fellow progressives and other leftists who you don't like. and stop listening to these europeans who failed in their own country lol.

[JohnBrown1917]

not if you have anything to say about it, right?

Just stating facts. Do you really hate that Biden gets so much hate from everybody on the left?

[starlord]

Just stating facts. Do you really hate that Biden gets so much hate from everybody on the left?

its almost like you seek to divide the american left and want to suppress their votes by encouraging them to not vote.

who benefits from that i wonder?

[StayTuned]

In the context of the average registered Democrat? Sure, plenty are low information enough to say "Hey, that guy who was Obama's friend, he'll make things all peaceful like Obama, cause Obama!", but in the GE were there are lots of non-Democrat voters; he will be unable to recapture states lost in 2016.

Do you sincerely believe that winning the SC primary means Biden would win SC in the GE?

Considering Trump doesn't have a competition from the rep camp, you might as well be right. Still, as a European I cannot handle another 4 years of Trump. The USA shitshow is dominating European news coverage way too much.

[downnola]

its almost like you seek to divide the american left and want to suppress their votes by encouraging them to not vote.

who benefits from that i wonder?

Not corporate interests! /s

[Vash The Stampede]

HAHAHA, is this who you want for President?

[PACOX]

Biden surrogates are out here saying whatever.

[Edge-]

I didn't say Biden was.

He is just a prime example of how a tougher youth can be completely lost on people. Especially if they turn into semi-Republicans later on in life.

We were talking about Biden and Sanders so you bring up some completely unrelated bullshit that doesn't apply to either?

Why the fuck do that?

Because it sure seems like you were trying to imply that about Biden in an effort to paint a difference between those two and "prove" why Sanders is different.

And still, here you are dismissing his proposed tax plan as non-existent.

I mean, will you let anything change you mind? Seriously, I'm asking. Because if not then I may as well stop replying to you since you seem to have no interest in an actual discussion. You just want a soapbox to shout from.