are u on drugs or something? Frost mage is literally 1 to 1 the same Balance beside the eclipse "change" the same just the dmg window changed a bit DK especially Frost is the same just because of antimagic zone and ghoul doesn't make it any different... same goes for arms nothing rly changed have u watched any alpha streams or atleast looked at the current trees?
This is not the feedback I've heard. You're also conflating balance and gameplay which is a bad idea.
Yes, DH still feels good. No, it is not the only spec which feels good.
Yes, balance at this point in the alpha is wacky. No, this doesn't mean DH will necessarily be overpowered on launch.
frost mage has to time missile speed with their skills, it does not play the same. Balance also does not play the same. DK, as I said, play the same.
I have watched alpha streams, that is where I got this info. Not to mention that are new abilities.
Listen guys, I'm not saying that we had a rework, we did not. In fact I know the changes are minimal, but they are not non existant and some specs play differently because of it. That is literally all I am saying.
I mean, we lost a bunch of azerite traits, and each class got a new button to press. It is expected that some changes might happen. As a WW, having Xuen as a CD is pretty awesome and it changes a little bit the way that I play.
I don't want solutions. I want to be mad. - PoorlyDrawnlines
I shudder to think how Shadowlands will be for its entire lifespan if this is actually true. Rogues received barely any changes besides poisons and Slice and Dice being given to all specs. Subtlety will still be a dead spec and needs a major rework.
The thing about DHs is that Blizzard doesn't see anything wrong with them or else they would've received nerfs in the initial Shadowlands changes. That tells you something about how they currently operate. If a spec is OP they will leave it that way. If a spec is dead they will leave it that way. What's the point of only doing major changes to classes once per expansion if they don't even correct anything?
Memes and shit aside.
People are drunk if they don't think shit will change pretty substantially for just about every spec. It's a combination of losing all the current toys and getting a bunch of new fresh toys from the get go - that alone with shatter the current situation to pieces.
Will Fire Mage be as OPAF without bracers, corruptions and shit that carries it? Maybe Arcane will suddenly be the new OPAF spec with Necrolord active being busted there for it. Every class gets 2 powerful abilities and they can customize it for some toxic and unexpected combos that people did not even math out yet AND on top of that you get a shitton of soulbind options with some crazy shit like Cheat Death or Retribution there and we barely seen maybe 30% of soulbinds that will be available on launch so far.
And to add to that, we don't even know what the legendary items we are supposedly building will do, but I bet it won't be "+140 haste rating" as its special effect.
In short, shit will change A LOT and nobody knows how it will turn out, let alone what will happen in 9.1, 9.2 and so on.
No, but having different skills and some baselined means playing diferently. The difference is not that great, true, but it still is different enough for me to consider different classes.
Now please, just drop this line of thought because honestly, it's tiresome having to explain nuance every now and then on this forum.
I don't want solutions. I want to be mad. - PoorlyDrawnlines
But wouldn't it be more important that specs feel at least good/decent as stand alone and the borrowed power stuff just adds to it? Talking about numbers really doesn't matter now, arcane could be the number 1 dps spec by far thanks to numbers tuning, i still wouldn't want to touch it with the current gcd illnes that spec currently has on alpha.
A lot of this is subjective of course but there have been more controversial specs with design flaws since legion basically that really need some digging into by the devs imo.
Stop trying to make opaf a thing. It was lame in 2015, and the situation did not improve since. Especially since we have the good old FOTM.
OT: The main issue is the mixed signals from blizzard. They drop class changes early, saying they want more time for testing. The changes are lacking, slapstick and uninspired, so people start posting on forums like it's rapture time. And then devs follow it up with "no more major changes" and complete silence on forums for over a month.
It's the newest class, so they want them to shine more than others for the time being. But thankfully most demon hunters I've met are kids that don't know how to play very good, so it balances itself out.