Shadowmourne is tiny

[Kithelle]

It's a 1handed weapon. It's sheathed at the hip.

When is it sheathed? Usually see him carrying it...besides if we're going to use that logic then Ashbringer is a 1Hander because we've seen Tirion sheath it on his hip.

[taishar68]

But how would they be if 20% smaller? Having the choice would be a net positive imo.

I could not agree more; I would love to reduce the scale of a lot of items in WoW just to get a simpler look. I tend to xmog towards old greens and blues just so the shoulders aren't too gaudy.

[The Butt Witch]

When is it sheathed? Usually see him carrying it...besides if we're going to use that logic then Ashbringer is a 1Hander because we've seen Tirion sheath it on his hip.

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[Saltysquidoon]

All in all... Shadowmourne had a really cool quest-chain, I think, but was ultimately one of the least memorable Legendaries produced, up until "welfare legendaries" in MoP, and of course the non-legendaries of Legion and beyond.

I mean you're saying shadowmourne was less memorable then val'anyr or the fangs?

Personally I think shadowmourne was up there only really behind; dragonwrath, the warglaives and thundermeme in terms of notoriety.*


*of the pre-MoP leggos

[un_known]

it has been a 2h since warcraft 3.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

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That doesn't change anything, yeah he's using it with one hand, a lot of people would do the same, its still a two handed sword.

[The Butt Witch]

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it has been a 2h since warcraft 3.

No, it was 2handed in Warcraft 3 for mechanical reasons because the Paladin model was made to use a 2handed weapon, and didn't have animations for 1hander. So it used the 2handed animations.

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That doesn't change anything, yeah he's using it with one hand, a lot of people would do the same, its still a two handed sword.

Does this look like a 2handed sword to you?

[Schattenlied]

It's most definitely not a bastard sword. It's a longsword at most. In simple terms, a greatsword is a sword that's as tall as the wielder.

It's a longsword period, lore describes it as a two handed longsword, and we didn't call it a greatsword at all, so why did you bring that up?

If you're familiar with Shad, you should know what a longsword is, and you should know that longswords do in fact sheathe at the hip despite being two handed weapons.

[Villager720]

No, it was 2handed in Warcraft 3 for mechanical reasons because the Paladin model was made to use a 2handed weapon, and didn't have animations for 1hander. So it used the 2handed animations.

Except that the Frostmourne Arthas model had unique attack animations for the sword and did not utilize all the hammer attack animations. So, if they'd wanted him to 1 hand it, it wouldn't have been an issue since they unique animated it anyways.

Depending on how one orients their sheath, you can get a long sword on your hip. See: Aragorn and Anduril.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Does this look like a 2handed sword to you?

Yeah it does, he's just holding it in a one hand position, its pretty common thing to do with two handed swords and long swords. BIG SHOCK

[Schattenlied]

No, it was 2handed in Warcraft 3 for mechanical reasons because the Paladin model was made to use a 2handed weapon, and didn't have animations for 1hander. So it used the 2handed animations.

Then why does he fight with it with 2 hands in HotS, WoW, and every cinematic?

Does this look like a 2handed sword to you?

Yes. The angle it's being held at makes it look shorter than it really is.




No sword with a hilt that long, long enough to comfortably place two hands on, is a one handed sword.

[StationaryHawk]

No, it was 2handed in Warcraft 3 for mechanical reasons because the Paladin model was made to use a 2handed weapon, and didn't have animations for 1hander. So it used the 2handed animations.

Arthas also wields Frostmourne with two hands in WoW. As far as I know, no technical limitation existed to prevent the model from being used as a 1h sword.

Does this look like a 2handed sword to you?

Absolutely.

[Schattenlied]

Depending on how one orients their sheath, you can get a long sword on your hip. See: Aragorn and Anduril.

This isn't even an argument you need to make, back sheaths weren't a thing IRL, all longswords sheathe on the hip.

[The Butt Witch]

Yeah it does, he's just holding it in a one hand position, its pretty common thing to do with two handed swords and long swords. BIG SHOCK

Then the actual 2handed swords that are as tall as a person must be 4handed swords.

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Then why does he fight with it with 2 hands in HotS, WoW, and every cinematic?






Yes. The angle it's being held at makes it look shorter than it really is.

Because he just holds it with two hands despite being a 1hander, because Blizzard decided that he wouldn't look good with a shield in his left hand.

[Saltysquidoon]

What's even the argument? It's a two-handed sword Arthas can use with one hand, why is this a debate? It has a two-handed grip.

[The Butt Witch]

What's even the argument? It's a two-handed sword Arthas can use with one hand, why is this a debate? It has a two-handed grip.

No, it doesn't, if you looked at the video. There is barely room for a 2nd hand on the grip, and that includes holding the pommel as well.

[Schattenlied]

Then the actual 2handed swords that are as tall as a person must be 4handed swords.

That's not how that works.

As I've told you before 2h vs 1h is about point of balance, not length.

Because he just holds it with two hands despite being a 1hander, because Blizzard decided that he wouldn't look good with a shield in his left hand.

Official lore quite specifically disagrees with you on this. Your opinion is in fact inaccurate. Go read Blood of the Highborne chapter 2, very specifically calls it a two handed longsword. Go watch Shad's videos on longswords - you've already posted a video from him, so I know you're familiar with the channel, you can bet your ass if we asked him he'd say it was a two handed sword.

In fact, just watch the video YOU posted in THIS thread, the two swords on the left on the wall behind him, THOSE are longswords, two handed weapons.

Edit: here, I'll even timestamp it for you.

https://youtu.be/FWWpzXOuk_s?t=115

"So, on the wall here we have two swords (gestures to the two swords on our left) that are undisputedly longswords."

[Saltysquidoon]

No, it doesn't, if you looked at the video. There is barely room for a 2nd hand on the grip, and that includes holding the pommel as well.

Seems like there is room to me

And before you say "but Arthas is bigger" look at the screenshots with Arthas holding it.

[CerealLord]

I admire Butt Witch's perseverance when no one else in the thread has agreed.

[Schattenlied]

I admire Butt Witch's perseverance when no one else in the thread has agreed.

Even the official lore disagrees with him...