Another "I can't breath" death: Police Reform & Protests in the USA

[Elegiac]

I assume they are likely worthless to society.

And who decides who is "worthwhile" to society.

[Endus]

I believe all races matter and want true equaltiy.

Then you support #BLM, and should stop attacking the movement.

If you won't, it's because you're lying, here, and you're actually racist.

[Edge-]

I think you are confused at a very fundamental level.

Your quite sleepy town isn't peaceful because of some naturally occurring state of nature but rather those weapons being in arms reach. Sadly people haven't reached the point were we can maintain peace and order without violence. Forget that at your peril.

No it's god-damned not. They're never used, they never have been. Because they're never necessary.

You seem to have a worldview where the default is complete chaos and anarchy, with wanton criminal behaivor.

That's fucking batshit insane.

My town is peaceful because it's a relatively upper-middle-class city. Because there aren't a lot of problems due to poverty etc. Because it's a playground for the wealthy to come and shop at.

The cops could disappear and little would happen. We have our maybe one shooting a year, which is almost always the result of drunk college kids or other drunk folks at a bar in an argument, and the last death I can remember was the police murdering a special needs black man who was not armed and not a threat.

Your world view is positively frightening, I can't imagine living in such constant terror unless you are armed and ready to murder your fellow Americans.

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I believe all races matter and want true equaltiy.

Awesome, glad to have you on team #BLM!

[Levelfive]

I assume they are likely worthless to society. Unable or unwilling to contribute and work towards bettering themselves and simply lash at those who do.

That's probably a pretty fair description of investment banking and the Trump family. I'll allow it.

[Easo]

NO he did not give any order to gas anyone. He told Secret Service that he wished to walk down to the church. The Secret Service got in touch with the DC Police Chief to help with security so the President can walk to church. The DC POLICE CHIEF was the one to give the order which resulted in the flash bangs adn tear gas. At NO TIME did the President EVER tell ANYONE to use tear gas or flash bangs. The police chose the method they thought best to secure the area, not the President. That is how things work. Stop the lies and stop the false accusations.

Yep, POTUS has no hand/power in this, it is all the fault/decisions of lower ranking people. POTUS commands surely do not directly translate "on the ground", he is all but abstracted away. Surely. And not at all connected to what would happen if he decided to take a walk where there was a bunch of protesters. Surely, no idea what could have possibly be meant by that and what would (and did) happen.
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Mister rrayy. You... No, screw it, you are not worth it.

[Egomaniac]

I mean have you ever actually had to deal with insurance? Why would I go through all that to likely end up with a worse version of the product I already own vs the far simpler solution of solving the issue myself?

Because you don't risk getting killed over it?

[Elegiac]

Your world view is positively frightening, I can't imagine living in such constant terror unless you are armed and ready to murder your fellow Americans.

Oh honey, you said a mouthful there.

Like...I'm not saying we need to have a national discussion about the fact the country never really internalised 9/11 and we've increasingly accepted a view of the world that is being cooked up by a minority of paranoid white racists who think everything and everyone is out to get them, but...

[rrayy]

Hey, you wanna not talk about my fucking family? That'd be cool, dude. I'm not talking about yours and I wouldn't. Be a better man.

Just making an illustration. If they break in on me with their weapons drawn, that bat isn't helping me or my family as I'll be dead before I can swing it. I have to go right up to him to make contact. He can shoot me from where he stands before I get there. If I have gun I can defend myself with, I will because I have the legal right to do so. I shouldn't be demonized for legally protecting myself.

[Elegiac]

Just making an illustration. If they break in on me with their weapons drawn, that bat isn't helping me or my family as I'll be dead before I can swing it. I have to go right up to him to make contact. He can shoot me from where he stands before I get there. If I have gun I can defend myself with, I will because I have the legal right to do so. I shouldn't be demonized for legally protecting myself.

You're so close to understanding why more guns doesn't make people safer, too...

[Pannonian]

No it's god-damned not. They're never used, they never have been. Because they're never necessary.

You seem to have a worldview where the default is complete chaos and anarchy, with wanton criminal behaivor.

That's fucking batshit insane.

My town is peaceful because it's a relatively upper-middle-class city. Because there aren't a lot of problems due to poverty etc. Because it's a playground for the wealthy to come and shop at.

The cops could disappear and little would happen. We have our maybe one shooting a year, which is almost always the result of drunk college kids or other drunk folks at a bar in an argument, and the last death I can remember was the police murdering a special needs black man who was not armed and not a threat.

Your world view is positively frightening, I can't imagine living in such constant terror unless you are armed and ready to murder your fellow Americans.

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Awesome, glad to have you on team #BLM!

That's btw. one of the most insane things i cannot wrap my hand around:

Claiming the US is safer for the militarized police, when there is more crime, more unjustified killings than in any european country where the police doesn't have military grade equipment. How can you ever arrive at such an argument?

[Egomaniac]

Just making an illustration. If they break in on me with their weapons drawn, that bat isn't helping me or my family as I'll be dead before I can swing it. I have to go right up to him to make contact. He can shoot me from where he stands before I get there. If I have gun I can defend myself with, I will because I have the legal right to do so. I shouldn't be demonized for legally protecting myself.

You've been asked to stop.

[Pannonian]

You're so close to understanding why more guns doesn't make people safer, too...

Incidentally i'm not allowed to kill someone who breaks into my house; getting a weapon is really really hard, and still there a fewer crimes and murders...

[Edge-]

If they break in on me with their weapons drawn

This was never a part of the discussion. If you want to look for an excuse to justify your murder-boner though, you've found a good one.

I have to go right up to him to make contact.

How have you established that he's armed at this point?
How have you established that he has any intent to harm you or your family?
How are you making "contact"? Are you shouting from across the house? Trying to surprise him? What if he's waiting for you to turn the corner so he can shoot you?

If I have gun I can defend myself with, I will because I have the legal right to do so.

Depends on what state, not every state protects the use of deadly force in all instances.

I shouldn't be demonized for legally protecting myself.

You're right! But you should be criticized given your apparent salivating for the opportunity to murder folks while feeling morally pure.

[AeneasBK]

Incidentally i'm not allowed to kill someone who breaks into my house; getting a weapon is really really hard, and still there a fewer crimes and murders...

No Mexican border though, otherwise Austria would be a wild west.

... what? Isn't that the "Go-to" excuse for Americans when someone points out their society is sick with arms? "It all comes over the border we can't stop it"..

[Elegiac]

That's btw. one of the most insane things i cannot wrap my hand around:

Claiming the US is safer for the militarized police, when there is more crime, more unjustified killings than in any european country where the police doesn't have military grade equipment. How can you ever arrive at such an argument?

Simple.

By living in a media bubble where the rest of the world falls into one of three categories: Diet America, European Socialist Hellhole, or Brown Dictatorship. The perception of a militarized police as being the default in a democratic state is largely one restricted to America.

Also there's uh...this little...connotation... (Don't forget that the militarization of police is in part due to the fact the US produces so much surplus military equipment it finds it easy to sell it to domestic police forces on the cheap)

[Shadowferal]

You're so close to understanding why more guns doesn't make people safer, too...

And yet...you can almost bet that firearm purchases will increase substantially.

[Pannonian]

No Mexican border though, otherwise Austria would be a wild west.

... what? Isn't that the "Go-to" excuse for Americans when someone points out their society is sick with arms? "It all comes over the border we can't stop it"..

It's really hard right now, so please help me: Is this missing a /s or are you really claiming that the crime rate in the US is just so high because of Mexico? I' assume it's a joke, but given the last few pages...

[Elegiac]

And yet...you can almost bet that firearm purchases will increase substantially.

I'm not sure what point you think you're making by "brown people asserting their rights makes white people afraid", but...no duh!?

Why the fuck do you think the police exist in the US.

[Tommi]

Interesting.



Also Death report

Seems he had quiet the rap sheet. Defo not "he was a good boi"

[Elegiac]

Seems he had quiet the rap sheet. Defo not "he was a good boi"

Curious what the fuck kind of difference it makes since the issue here is a police lynching, not mourning the death of a national hero.

Can y'all bugger off with this "the media playbook has now informed us it is time to start playing up the victims offenses to deflect from systemic police violence" tack?