On ‘Strasserism’ and the Decay of the Left

[Yadryonych]

This, but unironically.

Minority-based movements are doomed either way.

This pretty much depends on how far the minority is willing to go. And how far the goverment would let it go. Let me remind you that chaz issue is still not addressed. The more chaz will be popping up everywhere the harder it would be to tackle.

[JohnBrown1917]

So, we're now supposed to listen to Marxists, about why the left is bad?

Please, tell us more...

Most left-wing idealogies have roots back to marxism, but that you do not understand the importance Marx holds for left-wing based idealogies is no surprise.

[Muzjhath]

Most left-wing idealogies have roots back to marxism, but that you do not understand the importance Marx holds for left-wing based idealogies is no surprise.

Found the Bakunin hater. And the Danton hater.
Yes, Marx is important for lots of left-wing thinking. But not "most" nor "all". He's just one part in a huge fucking cake.

Your statement is like saying Freud is still relevant in psychology for more than history of where it came from.

[Machismo]

Most left-wing idealogies have roots back to marxism, but that you do not understand the importance Marx holds for left-wing based idealogies is no surprise.

I'm well aware of what Marx had to say, but alt-right Trumpsters pushing Marxism on their political enemies... that's just adorable.

[Shalcker]

This pretty much depends on how far the minority is willing to go. And how far the goverment would let it go. Let me remind you that chaz issue is still not addressed. The more chaz will be popping up everywhere the harder it would be to tackle.

It's just another park occupation that already shrunk a lot. If some CHAZ-like entity will get established long-term (which i find highly unlikely) it will become another ghetto - not a particularly winning move.

[Sunseeker]

Oh look, I guessed correctly who the OP was.

[Themius]

This pretty much depends on how far the minority is willing to go. And how far the goverment would let it go. Let me remind you that chaz issue is still not addressed. The more chaz will be popping up everywhere the harder it would be to tackle.

Repúblicans are a minority based movement.

[Ivanstone]

I'm well aware of what Marx had to say, but alt-right Trumpsters pushing Marxism on their political enemies... that's just adorable.

To be fair to Theo, I suspect she could be an old school Dixiecrat. Social spending is great! If you're white.

[Machismo]

To be fair to Theo, I suspect she could be an old school Dixiecrat. Social spending is great! If you're white.

The support of ethno-nationalism and ethnic cleansing may also point to that.

[Yuujin]

The support of ethno-nationalism and ethnic cleansing may also point to that.

She post one of these articles a month. We should start taking bets on which page she will have her mental breakdown and how long she'll leave MMO champ before resurfacing.

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It's just another park occupation that already shrunk a lot. If some CHAZ-like entity will get established long-term (which i find highly unlikely) it will become another ghetto - not a particularly winning move.

Same as when that group took over the wildlife refuge. No sweeping movement to follow.

[Howel]

Uhhh, ain't nothing better than the sweet delicious tears of commies that haven't gotten their worker revolution; it fills my heart with great booming pride to see them crushed beneath their own... complete and utter nonsense not being accepted.

I mean for crying out loud, Strasserism? One of the most obscure, and might I add, none descriptive forms of socialism. It is so none descriptive, they aren't even aware what to do when they win their revolution; it is a half ideology.
But I guess that's the beauty of it; if you don't have a winning goal nor any plans, you can stand to the side and call everyone out, who has plans and goals, and how they are failing them.

1. worker revolution.
2. win.
3. ???
4. Utopia.

What a mess.

[Acidbaron]

@Endus thanks for the summary. Saved me a lot of time even attempting to read that nonsense.

As i have always said, the alt-right group really is the bastion of anti-intellectualism in the conservative movements. But it really takes a special kind of stupid to believe there's a single minded "group" in the left. They are split everywhere, i mean politically you have got to be living under a rock to not be aware of Greens and Reds.
@Themius thanks for the author personality description would have figured it was yet another person who had all the benefits of being in a wealthy nation and yet still being angry on everyone else for being an failure.

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She post one of these articles a month. We should start taking bets on which page she will have her mental breakdown and how long she'll leave MMO champ before resurfacing.

Only after the demand for "a safe space" in a forum because critical opinions hurt her fee fee's.

[Endus]

I feel like article is more about how your class interest is what prevents you from honestly defending proletariat (despite occasional denials), and instead engage in (and defend) self-serving endeavours like (but not limited to) "identity politics" (aimed at primarily creating jobs for people coming out of academia who know "just the right way" to analyse everything).

Most of my extended family are working class. My parents were college graduates, but their generation was the first to become solidly middle class.

I've made no real arguments about supporting any need for employment of academics, beyond a generic support for academic measures. If you go back through the large chunk of my political posting here, you'll see that most of that posting is regarding things like universal healthcare and UBI and worker protections and high minimum wages and so on. Aside from universal healthcare, I likely would not benefit directly from any of those (and with healthcare, I could afford private insurance, I just think it's a stupid alternative overall, for everyone). I'm arguing for societal reform, mostly to provide greater choice and freedom and security to the working class and the poor, not the middle class, where I've been raised.

If anything, I'm a concrete example of why that particular premise in the OP's article is complete horseshit based on nothing but their own projected selfishness.

[PC2]

@Endus thanks for the summary. Saved me a lot of time even attempting to read that nonsense.

As i have always said, the alt-right group really is the bastion of anti-intellectualism in the conservative movements. But it really takes a special kind of stupid to believe there's a single minded "group" in the left. They are split everywhere, i mean politically you have got to be living under a rock to not be aware of Greens and Reds.
@Themius thanks for the author personality description would have figured it was yet another person who had all the benefits of being in a wealthy nation and yet still being angry on everyone else for being an failure.

Leftists are all unique individuals and not a single mind but there's nothing wrong with referencing "the left" because it's referring to the ideology that prioritizes equality(anti-hierarchy) above other values like liberty or national security. So there's no problem with the terminology as long as the discussion is about the merit of ideas and not an ad hominem attack directed at people.

[Yuujin]

Leftists are all unique individuals and not a single mind but there's nothing wrong with referencing "the left" because it's referring to the ideology that prioritizes equality(anti-hierarchy) above other values like liberty or national security. So there's no problem with the terminology as long as the discussion is about the merit of ideas and not an ad hominem attack directed at people.

Liberty and equality are the same thing, no?

[PC2]

Liberty and equality are the same thing, no?

No they're orthogonal and technically I'd say left and right values can be orthogonal too but for the purpose of most political compasses we have to compress it down to two axes to make it easier to think about and visualize.

[Endus]

Liberty and equality are the same thing, no?

You could argue that equity is a fundamental requirement for liberty to even exist, but equality is predicated on too many secondary factors to really be considered relevant, or even really desirable in some cases.

It may be that what's equitable in a situation is equality, as in the case of marriage equality, but that's a convenient overlap; the drive is still for equity, fundamentally.

[Alex Moriati]

Do I run around calling other left-wingers heretics and ne'er-do-wells because we don't march in lockstep? Fuck no.

others do though. say that people aren't left-wing even though they are, because they don't share their specific ideas.

[Endus]

others do though. say that people aren't left-wing even though they are, because they don't share their specific ideas.

Haven't seen that. Definitely haven't had anyone accuse me of being right-wing.

Have seen people claiming to be left-wing, but espousing objectively right-wing perspectives and citing right-wing sources to back themselves up whenever asked to defend themselves. If your ideas are right-wing, and you claim to be left-wing, you're just lying.

[Yuujin]

You could argue that equity is a fundamental requirement for liberty to even exist, but equality is predicated on too many secondary factors to really be considered relevant, or even really desirable in some cases.

It may be that what's equitable in a situation is equality, as in the case of marriage equality, but that's a convenient overlap; the drive is still for equity, fundamentally.

Thank you for the explanation!