I Hope Genn has a Reunion with Liam in Shadowlands

[KOUNTERPARTS]

I just finished listening to the 'Shadows Rising' audiobook, and while I enjoyed it, I found that personally 'Before the Storm' was a better story. One thing that has stood out to be is the development of Genn Greymane as a character and his portrayal in the novel. In 'Before the Storm' it is apparent he still has a lot of pain and hatred from the loss of his son back in Cataclysm. He hates the Forsaken with more than a passion and wishes to see them utterly eradicated.


Given that Shadowlands is an expansion about the afterlife, I would love to see some sort of reunion between Genn and his son. His story about his utter hatred towards Sylvanas and the Forsaken, to broaching the topic of not all Forsaken being mindless monsters (and that some of his friends of old are still those people, like Alonsus Faol) and how he has to come to terms with that.


A part of me hopes for Genn to come to terms with Liam's murder if they were to meet. What could be said? What could possibly come from it and what would that mean for Genn's further development?


Or will he die in the Shadowlands? (lol)

[matrix123mko]

I hope that fact that "time flows differently in Shadowlands" will send him directly to the Maw. Old man runs out of time.

[Feanoro]

I hope that fact that "time flows differently in Shadowlands" will send him directly to the Maw. Old man runs out of time.

How dare anyone oppose the Horde or dah Derk Lerdy!

[Combatbutler]

How dare anyone oppose the Horde or dah Derk Lerdy!

It didn't even take three damn posts to derail the thread great job

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I don't really see the point Liam was never a real relevant character

[Feanoro]

It didn't even take three damn posts to derail the thread great job

You're right, it was the first reply, or do you consider that "fuck him, I hope he dies" post to be a valid contribution to the OP's topic?

[Combatbutler]

You're right, it was the first reply, or do you consider that "fuck him, I hope he dies" post to be a valid contribution to the OP's topic?

If people genuinely dislike the character and want him to die, giving a small scrap of info on how it could be done, sure it is a valid response. But bringing faction and that damn screecher on top of it to boot is absolute overkill.

And another tid bit

I would love for Genn to die, so that his daughter finally takes over and he gets to hang out in Revendreth for a patch or two.

[Heartbreaker23]

I wish there wasn't a Shadowlands. Death becomes meaningless, when there's a place you can hang out for all eternity after you die.

[Combatbutler]

I wish there wasn't a Shadowlands. Death becomes meaningless, when there's a place you can hang out for all eternity after you die.

If you die in the shadowlands you are gone, so oblivion awaits eventually

[Nize]

Unfortunately, they gave Genn's story to Tyrande, and opted to make Genn the "Horde hater" instead. That seems to be the direction they're going. I doubt that Genn will have any meaningful storyline in Shadowlands

[Combatbutler]

Unfortunately, they gave Genn's story to Tyrande, and opted to make Genn the "Horde hater" instead. That seems to be the direction they're going. I doubt that Genn will have any meaningful storyline in Shadowlands

Genn is quite old, they should wrap him up and set up his replacement soon, unless they want him to become a joke like Thrall's grandma or mentor, who have been on their death beds for years now. There is another Greymane, to fill his shoes woefully underdeveloped and actually alive.

[Kyphael]

I personally hope Genn doesn't come back from Shadowlands so Tess can step up and take control of the Worgen to re-claim Gilneas.

[Combatbutler]

While I get Blizzard's idea that meeting everyone we could in SL detracts from the place itself, I still think there should be small vignettes and quests with many people who passed. It's just a fantasy staple.

Well considering the shadowlands look like your run down the mill wow zones I am afraid they have a point, blizz could add a few as non intractable named souls

[Combatbutler]

They've set up Tess since the start, and especially with the Heritage quest.

Not enough, she is hardly defined as a character and needs to be build over years or lots and lots of screentime, or you get such rushed things like Calia Menethil or new lillian voss.

[Heartbreaker23]

If you die in the shadowlands you are gone, so oblivion awaits eventually

That's even more nonsense.

[Combatbutler]

That's even more nonsense.

If the soul is gone, so is any remaining part of a being that existed. So how is it nonsense?

[Combatbutler]

Legion was overflowing with lore NPCs and it definitely was one of the better parts of the xpac.

Personal preference I guess, the xpack took a free-fall once the Tomb of Sargeras was unlocked as far as I am concerned.

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Lilian Voss got an extensive questline in Cata, got to be the center of several revamped dungeons in MoP, appeared in Legion with her own quests and then was central to the Horde Campaign in BfA with every possible flag that she'd be the unwilling leader of the Forsaken.

Lillian Voss was not a member of the forsaken, had pretty much no interaction with them, hated anything that brought the dead back in any way shape or form and went on a murder spree in Auchindoun, in legion she specialised in hunting down super special disguise undead come Bfa she was a member of the horde, not a free agent and endorsed the forsaken way of life. So yeah new Lillian voss was rushed

[Heartbreaker23]

If the soul is gone, so is any remaining part of a being that existed. So how is it nonsense?

Souls don't exist, so how is any of what you wrote logical at all, anyway?

What do I know what happens to souls in a fantasy universe. There are no souls.

What I mean is, the idea that people actually die in the Shadowlands is stupid, because with how people are apparently constantly fighting there, they'd either run out of people at some point, or they'd constantly have new people coming in there, replacing all of the important people. I'm sure there are characters in there that have been there for thousands of years, if not longer. Am I supposed to believe they all managed to survive for so long with all of that fighting going on. Sure makes the Necrolords a great covenant. Does seem like undeath might make it easier to hang around in some form or another.

I mean imagine going to Bastion after you die. You purge yourself of who you used to be to ascend as a Kyrian and become a spirit healer or something, to help people for all eternity. Until some dude comes along and kills your soul so you don't even exist anymore at all.

Must be wonderful.

Who wouldn't want to serve the Shadowlands? That sounds like a great deal.

Or maybe just hide somewhere, in some corner, so you can continue to exist in some form.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Unfortunately, they gave Genn's story to Tyrande, and opted to make Genn the "Horde hater" instead. That seems to be the direction they're going. I doubt that Genn will have any meaningful storyline in Shadowlands

I considered this as well. It could be wasteful to build Genn up as the "Horde hater" only to try to redeem his view points by having some interactions with his dead son.


Kind of sad though. I think 'Before the Storm' did a great job illustrating how much pain Genn still has for losing him.

I personally hope Genn doesn't come back from Shadowlands so Tess can step up and take control of the Worgen to re-claim Gilneas.

The old guard has been slowly removed expansion after expansion. It's only a matter of time.

[Combatbutler]

She was not a member of the Horde, she made it clear she was pressed into service. She did not endorse the Forsaken way of life, instead she sought to make sure those forced on it received support so they could best adapt.

She is their defacto leader now, despite having no connections or real place in their society prior to Bfa. Lilian endorsed the forsaken way of life, by helping raising several people into the ranks of the forsaken and telling Zelling about a special bond that exists in their society

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Two posts in and on ignore you go, new record.

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Kind of sad though. I think 'Before the Storm' did a great job illustrating how much pain Genn still has for losing him.

Well it was his kid so it is only natural, but Liam doesn't need the spotlight, nor does Genn he has enough development, his replacement on the other hand is barely fleshed out.

[Soon-TM]

Legion was overflowing with lore NPCs and it definitely was one of the better parts of the xpac.

The only decent character in Legion was Velen, who was finally given some actual development besides the archetypal "very wise, religious old guy". But I could have frankly dispensed with Tyrande, Xavius, Khadgar, Alleria and very especially Illidank - the guy was !#@$ing unbearable. Not to mention how dirty the major Legion's figures were done (lol KJ, did they REALLY bring him back for... that?)

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Kind of sad though. I think 'Before the Storm' did a great job illustrating how much pain Genn still has for losing him.

I'm expecting something like a reverse Orpheus trope, where Genn sacrifices himself to give his son a second chance in Azeroth. Yes, I'm half joking, but you never know with Blizzard... Especially when they want to "subvert expectations"