Built in Raider IO, plz Blizz.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

Jesus.... looking at this thread, and seeing that people got infractions from calling this thread what it is, makes me not even wanna use mmo-champ anymore.

No good deed goes unpunished.

[goldlock]

it was never really gear
it was gear score which was as toxic as ilvl
it was the achievement which was useless and idiotic when groups tried requiring it on the first day the instance opened

its never been good
you can give little jimmy lfr 470 loot but he wont manage to kill mythic wrathion

people try using the current community endorsed system to try and get carried most of the time or emulate the pros
its garbage and the only way to avoid it is to be in a guild

True but if you can only get 470 loot by clearing mythic usually a person of that ilv knows what they are doing. Yes there are exceptions to every rule but they are just that... exceptions.

[razorpax]

True but if you can only get 470 loot by clearing mythic usually a person of that ilv knows what they are doing. Yes there are exceptions to every rule but they are just that... exceptions.

ok im 100% for that returning

but the same ppl who complain about io are usually the ones who think gear is the only thing that matters

[goldlock]

ok im 100% for that returning

but the same ppl who complain about io are usually the ones who think gear is the only thing that matters

I mean its a old mindset and you could argue it was trueish in earlier versions of the game. Now gear doesn't matter as the game gives your free 470? 460? from weekly events a ilv of 465 can be achieved by someone who isnt able to tackle a mythic 0.

[potis]

I mean its a old mindset and you could argue it was trueish in earlier versions of the game. Now gear doesn't matter as the game gives your free 470? 460? from weekly events a ilv of 465 can be achieved by someone who isnt able to tackle a mythic 0.

Yeah, no.

You literally had Classic release to show you that knowledge > gear since they cleared MC with terrible items and a few level 58s and many other similar things in the next expansions.

It was the same every expansion, depending your skill level, gear is means to and end, game knowledge is the rest.

Its the same in WoTLK, when in leveling gear and barely any dungeon gear and some T6 we cleared Sarth and most of Naxx 10 because the week was resetting, 2-3 days after the expansion released, with the first level 70s from the major guilds.

Its the same when in Legion, with another few first day 110s we cleared everything mythic dungeon starting with 803 item level or so.

Same with BFA, starting with 300 item level to clear the Mythic dungeons for gear quickly.

While you read on here, people having trouble with pugs clearing simple Mythic dungeons in 850/350 item level for Legion/BFA 2 months into the expansion from all the freebie gear, thats why R.IO exists, cause we play at completely different levels of the game.

Up until pretty much Legion, there was segregation through item level, then M+ was added and many more other things that provide freebie gear, which means pretty much 4-6 weeks in, everyone half-active is running with the same item level.

R.IO isnt perfect, but it helps a lot to segregate players that have at least done the damn dungeon before, of course i am gonna invite the alt with a main of 2.5-3k score with over 50 runs at +15 over little billy with 1.8k and 1 M+15, 6 months into the season.

MMO-Champion readers refuse to understand some people play at a completely different level of knowledge/experience/reflexes/on the go adjustments than the average player and they will blame anything other than themselves, its either a no lifer or a streamer or generally someone that doesnt work or has kids and bla bla bla, while most of the people actually do all those cause thats life you know?

[Shalaator]

Why would he? I had the same issue when transfering to another realm. No update for days, couldn't even fill my own groups because of missing score.

Three days later, even though my score is updated, most haven't updated yet, so I can't fill my own key.

[Unclekreepy]

And you were banned by Blizzard from making your own group. You forgot to add that.
And being a long time player is no guarantee that you are good at the game. There plenty of toxic, bad players that are veterans.
I play a hunter and I pugged my way up to 15,16 and 17 all by myself. If I can do that as a dps then you as a healer can do that much easier.
Did I have to do a lot of dungeons that did not give me gear upgrades to build up my score? Yes, I had to.
Did I complain about it? No, because I can perfectly understand that people do not deny me, they pick someone better.

As always there are only 2 options:
1. Make your own group.
2. Get better at the game. And YOU do not decide what is good or bad. That is decided by the people who select people for their groups.

I should have the option to NOT make a game ... why is the Option there if it's going to be stopped by an outside addon?

either make it internal or ban it all together.. I liked the LFG tool for Challenge modes that was a 3rd party add on that blizzard banned eventually and I didn't complain or cry I just played the game.

[LuminaL]

It is 100% raider IO's fault for creating a high score game / meta out of that data.

raider IO isnt an entity. its a tool the toxic community use to show their slightest of elitism to the others.

as long as the toxic community want to cherry pick their team like they are going for world first achievement it will be the same.
without RIO they will use armory, without armory they will most likely demand some ridiculous achievements. "do you have X achievement from season X Y Z, do you have that one unnecessary achievement for this dungeon" and so on

[Garymorilix]

It will be implemented as soon as Blizzard finds a nice way to include it in the interface somehow.
Just like GearScore became iLvL.

I think even if Rio wouldn't be implemented soon into the game in its current form, Blizzard should at least allow us to inspect other player's mythic dungeon score tab.
It should be a very simple thing to include.
And make it so we could link it like a raid-lockout.

This would literally provide all the necessary info about us in a simple whisper. Rio would still be superior in every way (especially since it shows your main too) but it would be a start.

[MrHappy]

Haven't been able to do anything without my guild for two days since a faction change because raiderio hasn't updated.

Make this in-game feature.

it's already in the game. they are called achievements.

[WhirlwindTV]

They should ban raider IO. Useless number that equates nothing. I wouldn't even run all the dungeons. BiS gear is from 2 or 3 dungeons. Why would anyone waste time doing all these dungeons 500 times? Toxic community only caring about a number next to your name.

Yes and no. There has only been one time when a high IO tank turned out terrible for me, but numerous times when a low IO tank taken in times of alt last minute desperation ("fckit we've been looking for 20 minutes, just need completion") has been a complete disaster that made me want to slit my own wrists to just end the suffering.

So some kind of baseline information to simply know that a player has a the experience of doing a dungeon properly is an absolute boon and frankly necessary in times where players pretty much have access to the majority of the player base as opposed to smaller communities of players that you know and run into again multiple times. Imagine trying to play rated CS:GO/LoL/Overwatch WITHOUT some kind of ELO system and you'll quickly see why games without those types of systems die out quickly.

However I also agree that it is incredibly frustrating to have to need that giant number. I too only needed a couple specific dungeons for the gear pieces, and so in the early weeks when you wanted to get your 10/15 knocked out for the week but also do it on a dungeon that could give you a piece (or had a chance to socket/titanforge/corrupt) it was much harder because people looking at IO only really look at the overall score # and completely ignore the "recent runs" section. So my alt could get denied for 10/15s because I only had actual scores coming from 5 dungeons out of the 10/12, but if looked at my recent run section they'd actually see that I had timed multiple 10/15s in a row etc.

Raising IO score always feels like work because while I don't mind doing the dungeons for the boxes and such, it is still a cumulative lot of time sunk into dungeons that I gain nothing but IO score from doing. I never wanted to spend hours of my time running these things, because early on when you're struggling to get in groups because of low overall score you had to do shittier keys of the things you're missing JUST for the IO to get invites to the higher ones anyways! So not only are you putting time into getting 10/15 clear scores but to get invites period you gotta do 6's and 8's and such. Way too much time for someone that plays primarily for PvP and just wants his m+ box clear for the week.

In the end RaiderIO is a good tool, but like gearscore before it isn't perfect. However it still is vastly superior than nothing at all.

[T-34]

raider IO isnt an entity. its a tool the toxic community use to show their slightest of elitism to the others.

as long as the toxic community want to cherry pick their team like they are going for world first achievement it will be the same.
without RIO they will use armory, without armory they will most likely demand some ridiculous achievements. "do you have X achievement from season X Y Z, do you have that one unnecessary achievement for this dungeon" and so on

Why don't you group up with other non-toxic non-elitist players?
I mean going by the amount of complaining people in this thread, including you, then the non-elitist, non-toxic players are the majority?

Then why don't you play together and ignore the "toxic" players?
Or is it maybe because when all the "no-toxic", "non-elitist" players play together then they fail at what they are doing?

[Feral Druid ist Op]

We had such a system. And it was called proving grounds. You needed silver in order to queue for heroic dungeons in WoD.
Blizzard had to abandon it because the toxic, wilfully bad players were flooding the forums with their toxic tears because they were to bad to do a silver proving ground and couldn't do heroic dungeons. It was beautiful!

Raider IO is the best thing ever for good players because we now can filter out the toxic bad players.
And the almost daily threads here, on reddit and on the official forums where people cry about "toxicity", "gate-keeping", "min-maxing", "elitism" etc. are a proof that good players play together and the toxic bad players don't have anyone to carry them.

P.S. Your Raider IO score is not based on how many dungeons you have run, but by the best time/key level for each dungeon. So in theory you could have the highest score with only 1 completion for each dungeon.

i still remeber this dogshit players whine back in wod good times, i enjoy it xD thoes are the same that want rio to be gone and covanants to be permanent ppl that have zero (0,00*%) clue of how to play this game all they can do is to rage about the good players and how they ruin the game cuz they dont carry them and how toxic it its not to

it's basically the lol silver elo community in a nutshell but in WoW, "this Toxic smurf called be bad despite im 0/11 and try to 1 vs 1 the enemy laner whos 11/0 and 4 lvls over me with a 3k gold deficit, hes so toxic he should just stfu and carry me im 45% wr in over 800 games in silver 4 im not bad hes just toxic"

it's already in the game. they are called achievements.

were do i find those achievements for all my +26-27 intime? :O i cant find them

[Ealyssa]

I stopped playing because no one would invite me to mythic 15s because I didnt have raider IO installed.

You don't need to install anything for raider.io to work... That's how we spot liars, they don't have a single clue about what they are talking about...

Your score is 100% based on the Blizzard API, the addon only let you watch it in game.

[Bloodyleech]

People shitting on Rio are as worse as people using Rio in a wrong way.
Lets compare this to raids: do you go right into Mythic without stepping foot into normal or heroic? You can easily skip LFR (first few m+ levels).
If you go up the m+ ladder, you'll automatically get the needed EXPERIENCE for doing higher dungeons.
No one wants people in Mythic raids without experience from heroic.
Why should people take you into 15s without any experience at all? One single person can lead to a failed key.
All Rio does is showing people your experience with this content. Ofc I'll take someone with some experience over someone with no experience at all.
In addition it can show if you are even able to beat these keys. Boosting is not as common as you think - having someone with full 15s done is mostly a good indicator if someone is good enough (experience, healing, dps and/or tanking).

Rio, used in right ways, is a strong tool. It's just sad that there are people using and understanding it wrong.

Just copying something from another threat. Get real boys 'n girls, Rio is not the problem here.

[Trend]

Do you actually enjoy it or are you just addicted to the game and you tell yourself that?

When I see comments like this it makes me wonder what kind of life experiences people have that lead them to be incapable to understand that people have different perspectives and opinions. Did your parents raise you to think everyone is just like you?

I'm the same as the person you responded to. I enjoy keys and I use raider.io to avoid people like you who just want their gear. I know some people do not actually like the game, they just want gear with bigger numbers or more impressive colors to equip in the game they don't like playing. Whatever floats their boat, but I don't want to group with them. I think they have a tendency to be terrible players and not fun to be around.

[Otimus]

No it's not. The PLAYERS want a high score game. They want a ranking list just like you have a ranking list in games like CSGO. Raider.io just provides what the players want and if raider.io didn't do that then another website would just do it.

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True. But even if I helped a friend with a +15 key I would still want to avoid players like that guy.

I have no data to back this statement up, but I think most of the players just flat out don't bother engaging in the content at all, view the wall as entering as not worth the effort, and just never try to because of that. I'd really love to see the participation numbers for these sort of things. I bet you it's low. I bet even mythic 0 participation is extremely low. It'd be interesting to be proven wrong on all that, but I bet you the social barrier stops more people than anything else in doing a whooooooooooole lot of content. (IMO, this is a large part of why MMORPGs are a dying genre)

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lmao

This community is at fault and can't even take responsibility for it

Seriously. The more accessible WoW becomes, the more inventive and creative ways the players will come up with ways to exclude the so-called "riff raff" from their gameplay experience. It's never going to change either.

[Very rare pepe]

yeaaahh no, they don´t. It is just a stupid trend that proves nothing but how much time some people have.

Or the lack of time people have? Raider IO helps you find a more successful group quicker in most cases than without it. Not having to sieve through applicants armory to see their gear/season dungeon runs is certainly a quicker way of doing things. Just a thought?

[Short]

when was I-level implemented on the character stats page again WotLK/Cata? that worked great as an indication of player skill.
just as how i can buy a couple of boosts through higher keys for near to nothing and just fake a good raider io score.
those tools are so easily circumvented these days it's a farce, better to just get rid of them and

we don't need MORE community based gate keeping in this game.

[Bloodyleech]

when was I-level implemented on the character stats page again WotLK/Cata? that worked great as an indication of player skill.
just as how i can buy a couple of boosts through higher keys for near to nothing and just fake a good raider io score.
those tools are so easily circumvented these days it's a farce, better to just get rid of them and

we don't need MORE community based gate keeping in this game.

You can easily see if someone is boosted if you have just the slightest knowledge about how Rio works.
Most people just have no clue, shitting on it or using it completely wrong.