Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Thepersona]

None of which means a damn thing to people who dont live in the city. Waste of their tax money. Things that would benefit them, they dont get to have because their tax money is all spent in the big city

Ok, Orlong repeat after me: "Cities get more tax dollars for spending, because more people live there"

Here, it's not hard to understand.

[Thepersona]

the best is when he posts 'european portions vs american portions' and the european one is like one fish finger and babys cultery lmao

I remember said rant. It was hilarious.

I also remember when a mod had to stop us for using him (and others) as a measure for stupidity, arguing it was not okay.

[Zan15]

None of which means a damn thing to people who dont live in the city. Waste of their tax money. Things that would benefit them, they dont get to have because their tax money is all spent in the big city


Youre still claiming this as fact yet still have never managed to post a quote from me where I supposedly said so. Go through my 13,102 posts and prove it

So still making shit up huh?


If you are specifically talking about NY you really do not understand how much tax is collected by region and where the money is spent.
Per capita payments outside NYC as it relates to the amount collected Per capita does not give NYC more money, it actually gives them less.

NYC accounts for 40-45% of income tax collected plus another 8-12% once you include the non residents who work in NYC.
The 3 direct counties that are part of the greater city make up another 25%+.


Feel free to look at the tables.
https://www.tax.ny.gov/research/coll...ollections.htm


Hell even something like estate tax, NYC accounted for 600 million last year of the 1 billion collected.
the 3 additional were 120m, 121m, 60m.

Real estate transfer tax....same trend... 690m/69m/72m/65m out of 1.02B.
Sales tax you say.... 9.1 billion/ 1.3b / 1.5b/650m out of 18.5b



NYC and the 3 suburbs are the only places/counties/regions that receive less back in tax spending then they pay in. Hell the capital region in Albany almost gets 2x time per capita of NYC. Some of the northern and southern counties are even greater.

[Mihalik]

None of which means a damn thing to people who dont live in the city. Waste of their tax money. Things that would benefit them, they dont get to have because their tax money is all spent in the big city

... I'll try one more time.

https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...more-income-t/

70% of NY state's taxes are paid by NYC and it's burbs.

Not just because most people live there, but because NYC is the economic engine of the state.

With other words... YOU AIN'T PAYING SHIT FOR NYC. NYC is paying more than 2/3 of everything for you.

If you add up sales taxes and everything else I'd wager that NYC probably generates something like 80% of the state's revenues and I can guarantee that it's using up a lot less of it.

Can you fucking stop saying obviously retarded shit?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...CyEzf06AecQ1f2

Yeah. I wasn't wrong.

[postman1782]

Notice I didnt mention cable because that isnt a taxpayer funded thing (unless youre lazy and on welfare). Police IS funded by taxes and as such, rural residents SHOULD be entitled to police protection

So, all people on welfare are lazy? Does that include corporate welfare? Since that is where most of the tax dollars go?

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If you're having skin problems this video of Trump being jeered at because he's no longer allowed to clear out protesters for photo ops cured my acne.

I had to watch this, and it was HILARIOUS, then I look over to the the trending topics, and apparently the Clinton Foundation is trending for some odd reason. Come to find out that the Durham investigation into the start of the Russian Investigation and Mueller Investigation, are looking, for some reason, into the Clinton Foundation, which had NOTHING to do with the Russian investigation. I don't fucking understand how someone can throw so much shit against the wall, just to have none of it stick and have free reign over some wild investigation, that will have no indictments and no convictions, considering they already investigated the Clinton Foundation for YEARS and found nothing wrong.

[some guy]

Orlong is a stage act, he doesn't mean what he says. He just likes to get reactions. He is like another version of "Healing Rain" except he sticks around.

I'm aware. He needs a new schtick.

[Zan15]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/24/trum...l-billing.html


So trump is signing an order....to order someone....to find a way to prevent Pre existing .... and surprise billing.

Unless he first gets rid of ERISA then ACA then pray's congress actually does something to fix these removals his Exec orders would effect nothing. the 160 million people covered under private plans would have no protections since ERISA overrides his little "order".
Medicare too, but even that would be challenged in court by the private Medicare plans.

As for surprise billing, he has even less power without changing the law which would require congress. Even with this in the end the cost would just be passed on to the consumer






He said the order would direct HHS to work with Congress to get legislation passed by Congress that will protect patients against surprise medical bills. If such legislation is not passed by Jan. 1, then Trump will instruct HHS to investigate executive and regulatory actions that Trump can take that will ensure that patients are protected against surprise bills, Azar said.


It’s unclear if the president has the authority to require insurers to cover preexisting conditions. On the call with reporters, the officials maintained that the executive orders were legally enforceable.

“We will work with Congress, more or otherwise, to ensure that they’re protected. But [Trump’s] making a clear defined statement of United States policy that people with preexisting conditions are protected,” Azar said.

Nicholas Bagley, a University of Michigan law professor, said unless “Congress has adopted a law prohibiting discrimination against the sick, or President Trump is exercising authority that Congress has delegated to him, his executive orders don’t have legal effect.”

“They have no more legal weight than a campaign slogan — and that’s all this executive order is,” he said.

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None of which means a damn thing to people who dont live in the city. Waste of their tax money. Things that would benefit them, they dont get to have because their tax money is all spent in the big city

Where'd you go?

[postman1782]

Where'd you go?

He doesn't like facts.

[shimerra]

What we need is for each state to have its own electoral college for the same reason we have a national one. To keep the one large city in each state from dictating policy for the other 97% of the state. Look at New York. You have far left liberal New York City, and then you have the rest of New York which is rural farmlands. Whats good for the city isnt good for the countryside. Same with my state of Pa. We got Liberal far left Philadelphia, and then the rest of the state with a small pocket of liberals in state college (where Penn State University is located). We need to take away the power of the big city and give it to the rest of the state.

So what you're saying is power does not derive from the people like the founders stated in the declaration of independence and the constitution but the land itself. For some reason.

You have your local county and city governments. Just because you chose to live in a town of a thousand people you partisan hack doesn't mean you get the right to override the will of others. Why do you oppose constitutional government where the people hold the power?

The electoral college exists not because of some rural vs urban dichotomy that literally didn't exist when the constitution was written because 90% of the country lived in rural agricultural areas. It exists because the founders hated direct democracy. Do you support us not electing senators anymore? Because that's how it originally worked.

California, a state of 40 million, gets two senators. A state of barely 1 million like Wyoming also has two. Brett kavannaugh was primarily nominated by senators who have a combined population that barely matches California in their states. Ignorant people like yourself have enough power to override the will of the people as it is.

[Orlong]

Yeah and I'm sure there's shit that happens in the rural areas that I as a cityslicker get no benefit from. Tough. That's how taxes work, they're for the whole state and not every dollar of it will be tailored to your exact needs, because YOU are NOT the center of the universe.

I for one like having parks in my city as a reminder that not everything is asphalt and concrete.

Move out of the city if you want something other than asphalt and concrete. Nobody made you live there. Parks are unnecessary

[Deja Thoris]

Move out of the city if you want something other than asphalt and concrete. Nobody made you live there. Parks are unnecessary

There aren't. But you know that, right?

[Zan15]

What we need is for each state to have its own electoral college for the same reason we have a national one. To keep the one large city in each state from dictating policy for the other 97% of the state. Look at New York. You have far left liberal New York City, and then you have the rest of New York which is rural farmlands. Whats good for the city isnt good for the countryside. Same with my state of Pa. We got Liberal far left Philadelphia, and then the rest of the state with a small pocket of liberals in state college (where Penn State University is located). We need to take away the power of the big city and give it to the rest of the state.

Damn son you really don't know much about NY do you

NYC and its 5 borough's, Westchester, Nassau and a dozens others all liberal.
they also happen to make up the VAST majority of population in the state.

97%? Are you using land mass again as an excuse?

out of the top 15 counties by population only 3 voted for trump. the other 12 were majority Clinton by way higher %'s then the 3 for trump.



Create your EC in NY and lets say 100 total seats.
NYC would get 44 votes
Nassau would get 8 votes

Democrats took those counties by 60-80%+

Albany
Erie
Monroe
Westchester
17 total votes

Democrats took those counties by 40-80%


Trump largest EC win would be Suffolk county which would have a grand total of 8 votes

Democrats have a lock on any state level EC you would create. they would have an even bigger % win in the EC vs popular vote in NY if you implemented one.

unless of course you are going to "fix" the EC so that its based on something other than population.


Why not just make it two states so that upstate NY can just try to fund all the things they want with their own money. See how that works out for them.

[Thepersona]

Move out of the city if you want something other than asphalt and concrete. Nobody made you live there. Parks are unnecessary

You know that Parks are a part of a city and almost every city In the world that's big enough, has parks/green areas. Also, nobody made you live on bumfuck nowhere. Move out of there if you're so oppresed by the lack of services that are commonplace in cities. And finally, even if your opinion would be valid (is not, because is mind-numbingly short sighted), you would be part of a very tiny minority that has that same opinion.

[Zan15]

We need to take away the power of the big city and give it to the rest of the state.

Good then they won't mind paying dollar for dollar in funding for the sates vs the cities then you got a deal.
or you saying they want equal power at half the cost.

How very socialist of you

[Orlong]

And now it begins and it isnt even October yet. 9 votes for Trump discarded (ironically none for Biden. This is just the beginning of why Trump says Mail in voting is a scam and should be banned unless you have a disability or something preventing you from going to the polls.

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/0...t-say-why.html

[postman1782]

And now it begins and it isnt even October yet. 9 votes for Trump discarded (ironically none for Biden. This is just the beginning of why Trump says Mail in voting is a scam and should be banned unless you have a disability or something preventing you from going to the polls.

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/0...t-say-why.html

Mail In voting and Absentee voting are the same fucking thing. So if you have a problem with mail in voting, you have a problem with absentee voting.

[Orange Joe]

Move out of the city if you want something other than asphalt and concrete. Nobody made you live there. Parks are unnecessary

Didn't you use to bitch about being in a union? A union no one forced you to be in.... Hypocrite....

[Thepersona]

And now it begins and it isnt even October yet. 9 votes for Trump discarded (ironically none for Biden. This is just the beginning of why Trump says Mail in voting is a scam and should be banned unless you have a disability or something preventing you from going to the polls.

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/0...t-say-why.html

If i'm correct @Edge already has you covered with that.

[Breccia]

Time's up.

At time of original posting, the answer is 491.

Yes, this is lower than the at-the-time 608, almost exclusively because NYState -- now doing pretty well all things considered -- was hit early and hit hard, what with Trump not shutting down travel no matter what he claims he did. But 491 is worse than France, way worse than Finland (it's something silly like eight Finlands plus a South Korea), and nowhere near "anyone in the world" level that Trump claimed.

@lockedout @DocSavageFan @GreenJesus @Thwart and special volunteer @Orlong have all failed the challenge. They have therefore all admitted Trump lied and may be freely quoted as such from now on. They've also admitted something about their character that I don't need to repeat.

[Bdatik]

Why are so many people biting on Orlong, after his nearly year long hiatus (posting on another account?), when he's admitted to playing a character here?