Federal Jury Finds Crying Nazi Guilty of Extortion & Threats

[Milchshake]

Reminder, at the end of the day Nazis are vicious bullies. After they attack minorities, they often attack their own friends and family.
Please dont defend the Nazis, it's not worth it.

Thanks to the Informant for reporting on the case. They got reactions to the Christopher Cantwell verdict from a number of people, including "CheddarMane," the neo-Nazi victim in the case.

After a four-day trial, the neo-Nazi podcaster was found guilty on two charges. He now faces a maximum sentence of 22 years.

CONCORD, NEW HAMPSHIRE — Christopher Cantwell, the neo-Nazi podcaster charged by federal prosecutors with threatening to rape a rival neo-Nazi’s wife has been found guilty of extortion and threats. Jurors acquitted Cantwell of cyberstalking.

Cantwell, who has been nicknamed the "Crying Nazi" and who sobbed multiple times during the trial, had no obvious reaction as the jury foreperson read the verdict.


The charges stemmed from a series of messages Cantwell sent to Benjamin Lambert, a Missouri man who used the alias “CheddarMane” and who was a member of the Bowl Patrol, a loosely affiliated group of neo-Nazis who declare mass shooters to be “saints” and cheer the type of violence they think will set off a race war and subsequently usher in a white ethnostate.

In the messages, Cantwell said he would “fuck” Lambert’s wife if the man did not give up information about another rival neo-Nazi, known at the time only by the pseudonym “Vic Mackey.”

Vic Mackey, who has since been unmasked as Andrew Casarez, was the leader of the group. The group’s name is an homage to the bowl-style haircut worn by the white supremacist convicted of murdering multiple people in a Charleston, South Carolina church in 2015.

“So if you don’t want me to come and fuck your wife in front of your kids, then you should make yourself scarce[.] Give me Vic, it’s your only out,” Cantwell wrote in a June 2019 Telegram message to CheddarMane.

Lambert testified as a government witness, as did Paul Nehlen, the twice failed Wisconsin congressional candidate who has been closely associated with the Bowl Patrol since 2019.

Cantwell is perhaps best known for being involved in the deadly 2017 “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Virginia. His role in the rally has landed him in other legal trouble, including being named as a defendant in a federal lawsuit against the organizers of the rally.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Neo Nazi are basically fucking scum of the earth that being said as with any nationalist or racial the fact of the matter is that these are ALWAYS shitty people. And when there isn't anyone else to easily blame to be shitty to, they will be equally as shitty to everyone else close to them.

Because none of their problems have fuck all to do with their race or anyone else's they are simply morons who's real problem is always with themselves and working to make that problem everyone else's

[bmjclark]

Man, if thats all he said to that guy to get charged for this (i just read your summary, don't know if there are other quotes) there's a whole army of people in various FPS games that should be going to jail.

(note that im mostly joking before someone jumps down my throat)

[kail]

A neo-Nazi slammed for threatening another neo-Nazi, what a time to be alive.

[Felya]

Man, if thats all he said to that guy to get charged for this (i just read your summary, don't know if there are other quotes) there's a whole army of people in various FPS games that should be going to jail.

(note that im mostly joking before someone jumps down my throat)

It’s the access and familiarity... you can try charges of online harassers as well, it might not go far, if you can’t prove they remotely know who you are. As an example, if someone said the OP to me on Xbox Live, the first issue that would hurt my case, is that I don’t have a wife.

The fucked up part is towards the end... one of the witnesses was someone with ties to the neo nazi group, as well as a failed congressional candidate... twice...

[PC2]

Because none of their problems have fuck all to do with their race or anyone else's they are simply morons who's real problem is always with themselves and working to make that problem everyone else's

Exactly yeah, it's funny because I usually view communists as being the utopianists but in many ways fascists/Nazis are much more guilty of utopianism because they think that if they got rid of "the problem group" then society would magically improve and be a better place for them. When in reality it would literally do nothing except that they would be angry and violent against other white people 100% of the time. Extremists are the kind of people who would always find a way to blame everything bad on other people instead of realizing that problems are always derived from a scarcity of useful knowledge.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Exactly yeah, it's funny because I usually view communists as being the utopianists but in many ways fascists/Nazis are even more guilty of utopianism because they think that if they got rid of "the problem group" then society would magically improve and be a better place for them. When in reality it would literally do nothing except that they would be angry and violent against other white people 100% of the time. Extremists are the kind of people who would always find a way to blame everything bad on other people instead of realizing that problems are always derived from a scarcity of useful knowledge.

Well yeah, I am not a communist or a utopianist anymore than a nationalist or a socialist. I believe in what works, what the evidence based on sound logic concludes, it doesn't mean I always agree with or like those results.

As for extremist, I find that word gets thrown in a lot especially against those with convictions. I am a Christian Capitalist period full stop, I am also a Social and Fiscal Liberal also full stop, none of those ideas are in conflict.

However to someone who has no ideals or had no convictions what so ever I am an extremist. I guess bottom line it really depends on what you are an extremist about.


Ideas, and actions are worth taking a stand on and fighting for, not something as arbitrary as race, gender or orientation

[PC2]

As for extremist, I find that word gets thrown in a lot especially against those with convictions. I am a Christian Capitalist period full stop, I am also a Social and Fiscal Liberal also full stop, none of those ideas are in conflict.

However to someone who has no ideals or had no convictions what so ever I am an extremist. I guess bottom line it really depends on what you are an extremist about.

I see, I'm the opposite. I've never had a conviction because I view all ideas as tentative and provisional. IMO, a lack of uncertainty is what lead to Hitler, the Nazis, and the Holocaust in the first place.

[Doctor Amadeus]

I see, I'm the opposite. I've never had a conviction because I view all ideas as tentative and provisional. IMO, a lack of uncertainty is what lead to Hitler, the Nazis, and the Holocaust in the first place.

Uncertainty of what though?


Chaos doesn't bring peace. And all ideas are not tentative, slavery for example, science such as the world not being flat. Arguments to the contrary aren't arguments it's stupidity. It's a conscious decision to reject knowledge. Not expecting position to have a solid argument is what leads to the Holocaust.


Hitler cared NOTHING about his people, Nazis in the end didn't give a shit about Germany, they both left the country in ruin because of a belief not backed by a logical or sound argument. And nobody demanded otherwise.

[PC2]

Uncertainty of what though?

Absolute truth. For example Hitler was 100% sure that Jews were evil and that Aryans were superior.

Chaos doesn't bring peace. And all ideas are not tentative, slavery for example, science such as the world not being flat. Arguments to the contrary aren't arguments it's stupidity. It's a conscious decision to reject knowledge. Not expecting position to have a solid argument is what leads to the Holocaust.

Sure but people believed the exact same thing about slavery being normal and the Earth being flat. The idea of a spherical Earth arose because some people had uncertainty about the flat Earth theory and wanted to pursue better explanations. All science is conjectural and that's why scientific theories can only be conclusively falsified but never conclusively proven.

Hitler cared NOTHING about his people, Nazis in the end didn't give a shit about Germany, they both left the country in ruin because of a belief not backed by a logical or sound argument. And nobody demanded otherwise.

It's possible that Hitler didn't care about his people but I find it much more likely that he did care about them but simply had wrong theories about how everything works.

[breadisfunny]

Absolute truth. For example Hitler was 100% sure that Jews were evil and that Aryans were superior.



Sure but people believed the exact same thing about slavery being normal and the Earth being flat. The idea of a spherical Earth arose because some people had uncertainty about the flat Earth theory and wanted to pursue better explanations. All science is conjectural and that's why scientific theories can only be conclusively falsified but never conclusively proven.



It's possible that Hitler didn't care about his people but I find it much more likely that he did care about them but simply had wrong theories about how everything works.

hitler didn't care about his people as evidenced by the fact that he ordered everything destroyed at the end of the war and spent his last few months ranting and raving about how it was all the german peoples fault for failing him. he was even willing to throw german born people simply because they were jewish or had jewish ancestery into the death camps or because they had deformities. this stuff has been well documented. all you need to do is spend 30 seconds on google and it comes up.

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I see, I'm the opposite. I've never had a conviction because I view all ideas as tentative and provisional. IMO, a lack of uncertainty is what lead to Hitler, the Nazis, and the Holocaust in the first place.

the causes of it are well documented. it was a cascade chain of events that lead to the holocaust. your opinion is mostly irrelevant.

[postman1782]

Reminder, at the end of the day Nazis are vicious bullies. After they attack minorities, they often attack their own friends and family.
Please dont defend the Nazis, it's not worth it.

Thanks to the Informant for reporting on the case. They got reactions to the Christopher Cantwell verdict from a number of people, including "CheddarMane," the neo-Nazi victim in the case.

After a four-day trial, the neo-Nazi podcaster was found guilty on two charges. He now faces a maximum sentence of 22 years.

CONCORD, NEW HAMPSHIRE — Christopher Cantwell, the neo-Nazi podcaster charged by federal prosecutors with threatening to rape a rival neo-Nazi’s wife has been found guilty of extortion and threats. Jurors acquitted Cantwell of cyberstalking.

Cantwell, who has been nicknamed the "Crying Nazi" and who sobbed multiple times during the trial, had no obvious reaction as the jury foreperson read the verdict.


The charges stemmed from a series of messages Cantwell sent to Benjamin Lambert, a Missouri man who used the alias “CheddarMane” and who was a member of the Bowl Patrol, a loosely affiliated group of neo-Nazis who declare mass shooters to be “saints” and cheer the type of violence they think will set off a race war and subsequently usher in a white ethnostate.

In the messages, Cantwell said he would “fuck” Lambert’s wife if the man did not give up information about another rival neo-Nazi, known at the time only by the pseudonym “Vic Mackey.”

Vic Mackey, who has since been unmasked as Andrew Casarez, was the leader of the group. The group’s name is an homage to the bowl-style haircut worn by the white supremacist convicted of murdering multiple people in a Charleston, South Carolina church in 2015.

“So if you don’t want me to come and fuck your wife in front of your kids, then you should make yourself scarce[.] Give me Vic, it’s your only out,” Cantwell wrote in a June 2019 Telegram message to CheddarMane.

Lambert testified as a government witness, as did Paul Nehlen, the twice failed Wisconsin congressional candidate who has been closely associated with the Bowl Patrol since 2019.

Cantwell is perhaps best known for being involved in the deadly 2017 “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Virginia. His role in the rally has landed him in other legal trouble, including being named as a defendant in a federal lawsuit against the organizers of the rally.

If you guys don't know who this slimeball is, he is known as the "Crying Nazi" after the Unite the Right rally after when he posted after the interview with Vice News. It is funny, just look it up on Youtube. He acts all big and bad, but then cries when he is charged.

[PC2]

the causes of it are well documented. it was a cascade chain of events that lead to the holocaust. your opinion is mostly irrelevant.

I mean you only execute millions of people when you're highly certain that they're either evil or inferior. Modern day Nazis are extremists and conspiracy theory nutters that never question their beliefs, basically they just look for the simplest explanation about how 'evil group X' is the source of everything bad. Evil ideologies are almost always based on scapegoating groups of people and are opposed to personal responsibility.

[Kaleredar]

He acts all big and bad, but then cries when he is charged.

It's almost as if these nazis are actually just fragile, pathetic slimeballs attempting to recapture the "glory" of a failed dictatorship that was brought to its knees almost 80 years ago.

It's a damn travesty that neo-nazi movements haven't been unilaterally labeled as terrorist movements. There is no "peaceful ideology" that stems or will ever stem from nazism. It derives the entirety of its belief system from championing the repression of others.

[PC2]

It's a damn travesty that neo-nazi movements haven't been unilaterally labeled as terrorist movements. There is no "peaceful ideology" that stems or will ever stem from nazism.

From a US perspective that would only work if the terrorists are either non-US citizens or abroad. Inside the US the judicial system can't punish citizens based on loose affiliations but instead must gather specific evidence of an actual crime on each individual. This is also why it makes no sense to label Antifa a terrorist movement, it's not a real organization with a hierarchy. The idea is simply a misunderstanding of how our system works.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Absolute truth. For example Hitler was 100% sure that Jews were evil and that Aryans were superior.

This is not entirely true, at least not from the perspective of Hitler, in fact Hitler himself had Jewish friends, and SOME jews were granted special status. Meaning not even Hitler himself subscribed to the absolute truths he went on about. Very much similar to today

Hitler was not a man of his own making

Sure but people believed the exact same thing about slavery being normal and the Earth being flat. The idea of a spherical Earth arose because some people had uncertainty about the flat Earth theory and wanted to pursue better explanations. All science is conjectural and that's why scientific theories can only be conclusively falsified but never conclusively proven.

No this is also not true, WE KNOW the planet is not flat, this isn't even open for debate, anyone who thinks otherwise is either stupid, or totally ignorant, and my guess is stupid, because there is no way you grow up in the U.S in the last 30 Years and aren't explicitly told about the earth it.s axis and rotation as it relates to not only out environment but our placement in our solar system

It's possible that Hitler didn't care about his people but I find it much more likely that he did care about them but simply had wrong theories about how everything works.

No he didn't give two shits about his so called people or anyone close to him, HE destroyed his so called loved ones, he freaking raped his own niece who eventually killed herself rather than to be with that monster. The rest of his family fled him.

Hitler might have been wrong, but he had the opportunity to SAVE Germany and thousands of German people by surrendering and offering his head to save his people, he didn't.

In the end he couldn't even do the one thing that at the very least could have saved his so called vision. He wasn't brave, he wasn't a genius, he was just an asshole in the right place and the right time that told people a bunch of stuff they want to hear.


Not unlike people today, some call them leaders and what not

[PC2]

This is not entirely true, at least not from the perspective of Hitler, in fact Hitler himself had Jewish friends, and SOME jews were granted special status. Meaning not even Hitler himself subscribed to the absolute truths he went on about. Very much similar to today

Hitler was not a man of his own making

Okay so if Hitler didn't think all Jews were evil then that should have been his clue that it couldn't be their Semitism that was the problem. Correct ideas don't have exceptions. Nazis are evil and dumb which is why they use hasty generalizations instead of making all judgements based on the individual.

No this is also not true, WE KNOW the planet is not flat, this isn't even open for debate, anyone who thinks otherwise is either stupid, or totally ignorant, and my guess is stupid, because there is no way you grow up in the U.S in the last 30 Years and aren't explicitly told about the earth it.s axis and rotation as it relates to not only out environment but our placement in our solar system

Indeed we know that the flat Earth theory is wrong. As I said theories can be conclusively falsified but not conclusively proven.

No he didn't give two shits about his so called people or anyone close to him, HE destroyed his so called loved ones, he freaking raped his own niece who eventually killed herself rather than to be with that monster. The rest of his family fled him.

Hitler might have been wrong, but he had the opportunity to SAVE Germany and thousands of German people by surrendering and offering his head to save his people, he didn't.

In the end he couldn't even do the one thing that at the very least could have saved his so called vision. He wasn't brave, he wasn't a genius, he was just an asshole in the right place and the right time that told people a bunch of stuff they want to hear.

Not unlike people today, some call them leaders and what not

That's exactly right, nobody is arguing against that point.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Okay so if Hitler didn't think all Jews were evil then that should have been his clue that it couldn't be their Semitism that was the problem. Absolutely correct ideas don't have exceptions. Nazis are evil and dumb which is why they generalize people instead of making judgements based on the individual.

Well he used semetism because it works, just like any other kind of racist. It doesn't mean he himself is convinced of the things he says. This Pretty Common, Osama Bin Laden is said to have had porn on his hard drive. Jerry Falwell Jr, resigned in disgrace because what was effectively nobody else's business but him and his wife.

Long long list of guys who will say anything do anything for money and power, for Hitler is was about power.

That doesn't mean Semetism wasn't a problem, because remember you can't sell people things they don't want to buy. Germany was legitimately hurting after WW1, they were looking for people to blame and rather than use the time for self reflection and maybe change their attitudes, some sought to blame others for EVERYTHING. Jews just happened to be the easy target.

Because they seemed to be successful economically, but ultimately easy targets. That's why Hitler used them

Indeed we know that the flat Earth theory is wrong. As I said theories can be falsified but not conclusively proven.

Ok let me see if I understand this, do you mean to say a Negative can't be proven?

Because that is somewhat true. But I think it's MORE true that it's impossible to change the mind of anyone who has already made up their mind irregardless of facts.


But that is the beauty of something empirically true, is that it really doesn't require belief.

[breadisfunny]

yes you are.

It's possible that Hitler didn't care about his people but I find it much more likely that he did care about them but simply had wrong theories about how everything works.

here's your earlier quote in case you forgot.