Mega-Thread: Coronavirus Pandemic

[PACOX]

What are yall testing sites like? Still have free ones. Ours now has PCR and rapid tests for free. The only difference between going to a clinic is speed (pay $20 for no line) and from what I heard some clinics don't aren't exactly cleanest - ie the old 'hospitals and doctor offices make you sick'.

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A preventive measure that does more harm than good.

Because its better people be dead in the streets than alive at home?

[Arrashi]

Because its better people be dead in the streets than alive at home?

Oh yeah, sorry i forgot all those piles of corpses in front of bookstore. Closing it certainly saved many lives.

[Draco-Onis]

No but you can train medical students to do many of simpler tasks, and give some more special training to people already working here, so you wont end up with noone in city knowing how to use respirator.

Most places have already done that during the first wave including early graduation of medical students, there's not an unlimited amount of these people. There was already a shortage of people in the medical field in a lot of countries already, in the US there was already a severe shortage of nurses.

[Edge-]

Oh yeah, sorry i forgot all those piles of corpses in front of bookstore. Closing it certainly saved many lives.

I mean according to ever medical expert...yeah, actually. I'll listen to folks who like, specialize in infectious disease over "Random person on the internet #235423498723948792836492836"

[Arrashi]

I mean according to ever medical expert...yeah, actually. I'll listen to folks who like, specialize in infectious disease over "Random person on the internet #235423498723948792836492836"

Yes, and said "experts" tend to change their opinions depending on governments needs, just like whole things with masks on fresh air helping, then not helping, then helping again.

[Yadryonych]

Yes, and said "experts" tend to change their opinions depending on governments needs, just like whole things with masks on fresh air helping, then not helping, then helping again.

Not to say mass gatherings of people are completely safe if their cause is righteous

[Edge-]

Yes, and said "experts" tend to change their opinions depending on governments needs, just like whole things with masks on fresh air helping, then not helping, then helping again.

No, depending on access to information, which rapidly changes when you're learning how a new virus works. Yes, governments get crackpot doctors who think that ovarian cancer or impotence are caused by "sex with demons", but I'm not talking about those jokers.

If your argument is, "Experts are all bogus!" then there's no real discussion here. You do you, the rest of us will listen to professionals expert advice.

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Not to say mass gatherings of people are completely safe if their cause is righteous

Nobody is saying this. That studies have shown some large, open air events haven't caused spread are simply results of the data following those events. That other events aren't safe, like Trump rallies, is also a conclusion resulting from that data.

Stop slinging misinformation.

[PACOX]

Most places have already done that during the first wave including early graduation of medical students, there's not an unlimited amount of these people. There was already a shortage of people in the medical field in a lot of countries already, in the US there was already a severe shortage of nurses.

And they are also dying, having to be taken off the floor for extended periods of time because PPE can only do so much in terms of constant exposure, physical and mental exhaustion, and overcrowed/taxed medical facilities.

[Arrashi]

Not to say mass gatherings of people are completely safe if their cause is righteous

Case and point - here in Poland "expert" said that we shouldn't protest because of corona, then 2 days later said that protests will have minimum effect so its no issue.

[PACOX]

Yes, and said "experts" tend to change their opinions depending on governments needs, just like whole things with masks on fresh air helping, then not helping, then helping again.

The basics haven't changed.

Wear masks.

Distance.

Stay home/limit your bubble.

[Arrashi]

Nobody is saying this. That studies have shown some large, open air events haven't caused spread are simply results of the data following those events. That other events aren't safe, like Trump rallies, is also a conclusion resulting from that data.

Stop slinging misinformation.

Actually they do say exactly that, our Prime Minister keeps whining about anti-government protests yet not only encounraged but blessed nationalist manifestations.

[Edge-]

Actually they do say exactly that, our Prime Minister keeps whining about anti-government protests yet not only encounraged but blessed nationalist manifestations.

So you're mad about politics, not science/medicine. Direct your anger towards politicians for ignoring, rejecting, or misrepresenting the science. Not the science itself. And hopefully we can all elect better leaders that aren't knuckle dragging anti-science goons.

[Arrashi]

So you're mad about politics, not science/medicine. Direct your anger towards politicians for ignoring, rejecting, or misrepresenting the science. Not the science itself. And hopefully we can all elect better leaders that aren't knuckle dragging anti-science goons.

Except that lockdowns have nothing to do with science, and everything to do with politics. They are the big red button with "dont let them know we fucked up".

And speaking about science, you should see what economists say about that idea and its consequences.

[Edge-]

Except that lockdowns have nothing to do with science, and everything to do with politics. They are the big red button with "dont let them know we fucked up".

Both. Lockdowns are what happens when the virus gets out of control, and is an extreme measure taken in an effort to reduce the spread and make it manageable again so things can start re-opening.

It's what happened during the initial lockdown in Italy early this year. It's what happened in NYC when it was hammered hard.

Meanwhile, places where aggressive measures were taken early like SF haven't had to fully lock down and have seen low and very manageable levels of covid spread.

Again, it's a political failure, yes. But the science shows that the lockdowns are the best way, even if extreme, to get things under control again.

And speaking about science, you should see what economists say about that idea and its consequences.

Frankly more interested in keeping people alive, myself. And as I've said before, governments can and should have taken far more aggressive economic measures to offset the virus, including printing wads of money (inflation be damned) to buttress businesses and keep people afloat if they're unable to work safely.

That's something you can fix in the short/longterm via purely political measures. People dying, isn't. They're dead.

[Yadryonych]

Case and point - here in Poland "expert" said that we shouldn't protest because of corona, then 2 days later said that protests will have minimum effect so its no issue.

Worked the same way with blm protests, with not only "experts" endorsing mass gatherings prior, but also obstructing the folow-up virus surge investigation

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The basics haven't changed.

Wear masks.

Distance.

Stay home/limit your bubble.

Unless it's blm, then go foolish, go reckless:

“Addressing the root causes [of racial inequality] is more imperative at this point than staying at home.”

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Worked the same way with blm protests, with not only "experts" endorsing mass gatherings prior

Positions like Boyd’s, which are widely shared in the medical community, may strike some people as hypocritical. Why, in the middle of a pandemic, after months of telling people to stay indoors to stop the spread of COVID-19, are doctors encouraging thousands of people to gather?

The answer, for many in health care, is simple: Racism is a public-health issue that long predates coronavirus. Without action, they say, it will postdate it, too.

“Risking coronavirus pales in comparison to all the other ways we can die,” says Dr. Dorothy Charles, a family medicine resident at the University of Illinois College of Medicine and an organizer at the racial-justice group White Coats for Black Lives. “Addressing the root causes [of racial inequality] is more imperative at this point than staying at home.”

Narrator: And he was inaccurately presenting information hoping nobody would bother to read the article. He was wrong.

but also obstructing the folow-up virus surge investigation

Nothing was obstructed, and that's just one city. Are you alleging this happened during every contract tracing effort across the nation without evidence? That not specifically asking if they were at the protests, vs. the more meaningful questions about asking about close contacts is somehow "obstructing", despite them happily taking the information down if the person did attend the protest?

Again, stop slinging political misinformation. This isn't even a good job of it.

[Draco-Onis]

And they are also dying, having to be taken off the floor for extended periods of time because PPE can only do so much in terms of constant exposure, physical and mental exhaustion, and overcrowed/taxed medical facilities.

I would also venture a lot of students and them have quit due to a number of reasons including the right wing demonizing doctors and nurses with conspiracy theories. There are doctors and nurses openly talking about how much harassments they are getting in some states.

[Granyala]

Yes, and said "experts" tend to change their opinions depending on governments needs, just like whole things with masks on fresh air helping, then not helping, then helping again.

It looks that way on the surface but it's actually rather simple:
Made up numbers to demonstrate:

Infection chance in room with close proximity: 100%
Infection chance in room with distance: 50%
Infection chance in the open air with close proximity: 3%

Masks lower that chance by, say 30%.

If you don't have much viral activity (like e.g.: Germany in the summer), the 3% risk can simply be disregarded. It won't be statistically relevant in the large scale, just like it isn't statistically relevant that a handful of people cannot wear masks due to health reasons.

However, if you have a ton of viral activity, like we have right now, suddenly that 3% can lead to a lot of cases, hence the new recommendation to get the benefit of the -30% here too.

It's really all a numbers game and a cost/benefit analysis. Nobody (well close to) like to wear these damn masks, so you get higher compliance if you limit the mandates.

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But the science shows that the lockdowns are the best way, even if extreme, to get things under control again.

You mean they are the only way of calming things down if shit has hit the fan and contact tracing is no longer viable.

[Mayhem]

Mutated sarscov2 viruses from mink farms in Denmark infected at least 12 people, now 15-17 Mio minks have to be killed.

[Granyala]

Adorable creatures but why would they farm them? Oo