Mega-Thread: 2020 United States General Election

[Milchshake]

"Literally the post polarizing version" is more than a little extreme, when "Abolish the Police" is out there, "Fuck The Police" has been running strong since 1988, "All Cops Are Bastards" is still active, etc.

The idea that "defund" is some extreme phrasing that drives people away is frankly pretty baffling.

Yet, then the GOP and Trump were hyping "Defund Planned Parenthood." Everyone understood they meant to abolish Planned Parenthood. All the way back in 2019-2020.

Another reason it was stupid to used "defund" in 2020.

[kaelleria]

We're almost at the point now where we can accurately guess a politician's political party by whether or not he's COVID19 positive . . .

https://twitter.com/repdonyoung/stat...96302765445120

He's 87... We'll see how he fares.

[Kathranis]

I WILL leave the country if Don Jr is president.

None of Trump's kids have anything remotely close to what I will generously call the charisma of Donald Trump.

The whole family is full of fuckups who got where they are through nepotism and corruption, but Donald himself uniquely has the appeal of a celebrity.

[beanman12345]

"Defund the police" = "Abolish the police" in the eyes of many people. Even without needing to be primed by Republican propaganda.

Yeah. my dad is a lifelong democrat, really smart guy, his favorite things are politics history and watching british murder mysteries, but he's also pretty old, and is not very good at "the cyber." When he saw the defund the police he thought it meant abolish until i sat down and explained, then he got behind it. But many people, especially boomers don't see it as a repurposing of police response, just less police when they see that slogan, and don't have people to explain it to them, and therefore they go with their gut and it's a bad slogan and simply doesn't get the message across.

[Kathranis]

We're almost at the point now where we can accurately guess a politician's political party by whether or not he's COVID19 positive . . .

https://twitter.com/repdonyoung/stat...96302765445120

How do you even catch Covid in Alaska? How much more socially distant can you get?

Did he fly out to a Trump rally or something?

[Rasulis]

Here is an interesting observation. In 2016 the counties that voted for Hillary accounted for 64% of US GDP. In 2020 the counties that voted for Biden accounted for 71% of US GDP. A 7% increase in the last 4 years. Somebody also was nice enough to do a breakdown of 2020 venture capital funding by blue states and red states based on the current election. Venture capital funding for blue states is 14 times larger that that for red states. In the two red states with significant venture capital funding (TX and UT), the majority of the funding is in blue leaning metro areas (Austin and Salt Lake City). Both voted for Biden.

[Gestopft]

...what? I thought it was moderates? Like, if it's Never Trumpers like...why does literally anyone give a shit what they say now?

I don't think that's poster's point was so much about what the Never Trumpers say: it's that by welcoming them into the coalition, and making the election entirely about Trump, it created distance between Trump and the rest of the GOP, instead of tying them together. When you do things like have John Kasich or Colin Powell talk at your Democratic convention, it's harder to create a narrative that "Trump=GOP." The Biden campaign prosecuted the case against Trump, but they didn't prosecute the case against the GOP as the party of Trump.

[Flower Milk]

Yeah. my dad is a lifelong democrat, really smart guy, his favorite things are politics history and watching british murder mysteries, but he's also pretty old, and is not very good at "the cyber." When he saw the defund the police he thought it meant abolish until i sat down and explained, then he got behind it. But many people, especially boomers don't see it as a repurposing of police response, just less police when they see that slogan, and don't have people to explain it to them, and therefore they go with their gut and it's a bad slogan and simply doesn't get the message across.

Which is why people like AOC, Doug Jones, and Beto O'Rourke are suggesting that the Democratic Party needs to be going out and meeting people where they are and explaining their policies to people. No one is going to be swayed by being like "that's a good slogan", they are going to be swayed by people putting in the work and going to THEM and explaining what their policies are and how they work.

This is quite literally what I spent all of my time doing when I was a volunteer for Bernie's campaign, and I can tell you based on personal experience, it actually works. Once you sit down and explain things to someone, like you said you did with your dad, they are way more open to progressive ideas and policies.

[Katchii]

The idea that "defund" is some extreme phrasing that drives people away is frankly pretty baffling.

It's because it's woefully misinterpreted as "abolish" the police.

The people who get triggered by things like this don't care enough about the actual issue to understand what it actually means and are fine being ignorant, which is the problem; ignorant people can vote and they vote for shit they don't truly understand.

Case in point: Recent local election - the policies that were proposed by Democrats that were more socialist in nature received the majority vote and won.....the Democrats who proposed them were voted out in favor of the Republican candidates who opposed those policies. Fucking idiots.

[Zan15]

Here is an interesting observation. In 2016 the counties that voted for Hillary accounted for 64% of US GDP. In 2020 the counties that voted for Biden accounted for 71% of US GDP. A 7% increase in the last 4 years. Somebody also was nice enough to do a breakdown of 2020 venture capital funding by blue states and red states based on the current election. Venture capital funding for blue states is 14 times larger that that for red states. In the two red states with significant venture capital funding (TX and UT), the majority of the funding is in blue leaning metro areas (Austin and Salt Lake City). Both voted for Biden.

but but we don't want CA and NY deciding the election, even though they are highly successful states that drive our national economy.....naaaaaaaah

Btw i did a quick napkin math a few weeks back on the amount of federal tax paid for by Biden states vs Non.
i would have to add a few more states to the list but i am willing to bet it would be over 70% as well.

wonder if the IRS breaks out income tax by county.

[beanman12345]

Which is why people like AOC, Doug Jones, and Beto O'Rourke are suggesting that the Democratic Party needs to be going out and meeting people where they are and explaining their policies to people. No one is going to be swayed by being like "that's a good slogan", they are going to be swayed by people putting in the work and going to THEM and explaining what their policies are and how they work.

This is quite literally what I spent all of my time doing when I was a volunteer for Bernie's campaign, and I can tell you based on personal experience, it actually works. Once you sit down and explain things to someone, like you said you did with your dad, they are way more open to progressive ideas and policies.

I mean you need to do that anyways...

first impression means a lot. if you have to go and change peoples perception because a slogan is bad, maybe just maybe, the slogan is bad...

[zEmini]

We are getting to the point that Trump and anyone that will enforce and spread his misinformation is either just stupid or a Traitor to the constitution. Do people want to be branded as such after January 20th?

[Zaktar]

Which is why people like AOC, Doug Jones, and Beto O'Rourke are suggesting that the Democratic Party needs to be going out and meeting people where they are and explaining their policies to people. No one is going to be swayed by being like "that's a good slogan", they are going to be swayed by people putting in the work and going to THEM and explaining what their policies are and how they work.

This is quite literally what I spent all of my time doing when I was a volunteer for Bernie's campaign, and I can tell you based on personal experience, it actually works. Once you sit down and explain things to someone, like you said you did with your dad, they are way more open to progressive ideas and policies.

Think of a bad slogan as a debuff to that kind of work. Not insurmountable but still makes things harder than they need to be.

[Kathranis]

Here is an interesting observation. In 2016 the counties that voted for Hillary accounted for 64% of US GDP. In 2020 the counties that voted for Biden accounted for 71% of US GDP.

Well, it's to be expected. Republicans are more spread out and rural so they're less likely to live around major commercial businesses. Democrats tend to be more concentrated in cities and suburbs.

There's not exactly a 1:1 correlation there but education and diversity are good for business and they nurture empathy which leads to more progressive beliefs.

If you live in bumblefuck Idaho you're not going to have as much of that stuff so you'll be more insular and less concerned about the needs of the many, hence conservatism.

[Zan15]

busy tweeting up make believe scenarios while.....


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/co...?ocid=msedgntp

The daily U.S. coronavirus death toll rocketed past 2,000 on Wednesday as weeks of rising infection totals are beginning to translate into fatality numbers not seen since May.

[Breccia]

Donald Trump won't run in 2024. Father Time will catch up to him.

I've never heard Mueller called that before, but okay.

[beanman12345]

busy tweeting up make believe scenarios while.....


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/co...?ocid=msedgntp

The daily U.S. coronavirus death toll rocketed past 2,000 on Wednesday as weeks of rising infection totals are beginning to translate into fatality numbers not seen since May.

ugh don't even remind how much this "advisory" pisses me off. mandate this shit! sorry OT i'll stop.

[Demolitia]

Can we please have @Skroe back? Can we do it Trump style and just deny his ban happened and appeal the court of abortions? I don't care if he comes back as Skroetum.

[Fugus]

@Endus

Defund Planned Parenthood == Abolish Planned Parenthood
Defund Obamacare == Abolish Obamacare

That is the definition of "Defund" most people are thinking of when it comes to political stuff. So you say "Defund the Police" they HEAR "Abolish the Police".

And the Slogan is marketing and even with your example like "Fuck the Police" it is impactful and direct and you pretty much says what it means if you listen to the context it is used in and who it is used by.

[passingthrew]

I've never heard Mueller called that before, but okay.

Well played sir. Well played.