He switched positions it seems.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...s-sides-in-br/
He switched positions it seems.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...s-sides-in-br/
the rock Gibraltar is now Schengen territory, Brexit in full swing
I do not agree with the Labour party on everything. Its politicians also have serious flaws -- but surely a United Kingdom within the EU is vastly better than a UK outside it? Perhaps the British people should not consider what the EU can do for them, but possibly the other way around. Is your country's interests the only one which matter?
"You see, there is balance in all things. Wisdom etched in our very fur: Black and white. Darkness and light. When the last emperor hid our land from the rest of the world, he also preserved...our ancient enemy, the mantid. So it is with your Alliance and your Horde. They are not strong despite one another; they are strong BECAUSE of one another. You mistake your greatest strength for weakness. Do you see this?"
Well... that's that then... after four and half long and, sometimes, painful years the transition period has come to an end and the UK is, after almost 50 years, now an independent nation once again.
Some will see this as a cause for celebration, others a time of sadness but most will breathe a sigh of relief that it is finally over but I prefer to optimistic and hope that 2021 will be the beginning of a new but different chapter in the UK/EU relationship.
Whatever your feelings on Brexit I wish you well and hope that you all have a better year than the last.
Thanks to people like me the UK is now in charge of its own destiny. How will historians in years to come record this momentous occasion? I wager they will say this, was their finest hour.
With mission accomplished by Brexiteers and Brexit now got done, goodbye eurochums, what a long strange trip its been.
All stand please...
13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55497084
This is actually quite funny. If I, Latvian citizen without UK passport/visa/whatever, arrive from Latvia I will not have the passport check. If Dribbles, UK citizen with UK passport, arrives from London he will have it.
The EU is no longer to blame for everything. From now on, Brexit will be to blame for everything. People like you will be to blame for everything. We will continue to remind you.
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And we now have a border in effect in the Irish Sea. Those Brexit boys sure do know how to break up what little was left of The Empire.
When challenging a Kzin, a simple scream of rage is sufficient. You scream and you leap.
Originally Posted by George CarlinOriginally Posted by Douglas Adams
So is this the first international trade deal to make trading WITHIN the confines of a country more difficult?
The government has finally published its advice on trading with the EU and has some lovely flow-charts detailing which form and which inspection is done where and when. See here: https://www.gov.uk/government/public...perating-model
This is how Dribbles will sell his fish to the EU:
And this is the procedure for Nissan to import components for car assembly at the Sunderland plant:
Nice and simple.
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What??? That's the whole point of the EU... you know... member states give up a degree of independence to pool their resources - in a the whole is greater than the sum of its parts type way.
This is evident in many areas such as trade policy as Trump found out when Merkel had to explain why Germany could not do a trade deal with the US.
It is surprising given that you are from one of the, so called, Frugal Four and their recent very public disagreements with the EU over budgetary commitments that you are, seemingly, not aware of this.
It's insincere to frame the post Brexit Britain as any more sovereign or independent than pre Brexit Britain. We have already started day 1 within the bounds of an FTA that functionally sees us without this much alluded to absolute sovereignty and we will probably start to see government ministers pivot to explaining how FTA's diminish sovereignty and that's not what they really promised in the first place, people are just misremembering or misinterpreted what the government really said...like visiting castles during lock down on your birthday.
Edit: Happy new year guys! Hope you have a better time of it this year if this has been a trying time.
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"In order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance." Paradox of tolerance
Is it? Really? Factually the UK is now independent whereas prior to the expiration of the transition period in many areas - trade, tax, budgets, etc - it was not.
As I said the point of the EU is that nations give up a degree of independence to magnify their own strengths. I made no comment on whether or not this was a good or bad thing and even went to lengths to say that some would see it one way whilst others would see it differently, the fact that people are, predictably, trying to argue otherwise and to twist my words in order make something out of nothing speaks volumes for how absolutely useless this thread has become.
Honestly I can't be bothered with another pathetic pile on and I have neither the time, energy or inclination to argue against the prevailing ignorance present in this thread with regard to the EU/UK FTA and the obligations it places on each other so I shall bid you Happy New Year.
Well, he is right. The UK had to take into account the minimum requirement of the EU when talking about its policies. Now, they can do what they want. They are "free", though we will see in the next year how they fare.
Personally, I think they did a big mistake by leaving.
Nothing screams INDEPENDENCE, than how the UK now have to move goods between NI and England.
Oh, Mr D - I bet you couldn’t sing all the verses without a lyric sheet.
It's just a classic Pann strawman. Changes to:
Refuting a weaker version of an argument.
Pann (who’s had me on ignore now since I told them to fuck off) frustrates me as they’re clearly knowledgeable even to the point where I wonder if they had some kind of official role in this. However, I don’t think it’s pushing the boat out to suggest that Pann, on occasion, has been as much on the wind-up as Mr D. And the irony is that there are no #FBPE-type UK posters in this thread.
Anyway, IDD with the poster when they say the UK has to move forward. Hopefully, this will include electoral reform, the lack of which has been at the heart of many of the UK’s problems. Of course, though, it won’t. So, that’s why I’m broadly pessimistic.
You too
No. What he is saying is simply untrue, it has no basis in fact.
The EU is a voluntary organization where members agree to abide by certain policies in exchange for the benefits of european co-operation. That does not impact our independence. Legally speaking it is simply another trade deal with a group of countries.
This country, like every other country, belongs to a number of international trade associations, so we are not "free" in any sense even if you go along with the alarmingly stupid notion that international trade=less freedom.
The myth that people like Pann tend to perpetuate is that there was something magical and special about the EU that stopped us being independent as a nation, as opposed to any other international treaty. That is not true and never has been. But, if you truly believed international treaties compromised the UK's independence then you'd surely prioritize things like the presence of American military bases in the UK, our ridiculously one-sided extradition treaty with that same country, not to mention forcing its companies to pay their taxes in exchange for operating here. But the Brexiteers seemed to want even more of that so you have to seriously question their honesty when discussing independence.