Georgia Senate Runoff Election Jan. 5

[Paranoid Android]

Yeah...I can't imagine how bad the ads and mailers are for you Georgians. Entire fucking control of the Senate up for grabs, I wouldn't be surprised if the total dollars thrown at this combined both sides is north of $500MM.

The Political Industrial Complex. Such a great scam/grift to run. Last i read it was easily over $300 million. Most of it is the con of running massive tv ads, mailers, etc., which I have massive skepticism reaches any voters. TV stations love it. Print loves it. This is Xmas for them actually around Xmas. Anyways I believe its lazy, but they can convince the candidates into spending money on this.

The other comment I have which we saw when Amy McGrath, Sara Gideon (Maine) and Jaime Harrison. All that money and it was a crushing defeat. Everywhere in social media and tv media they always boasted of how much money these candidates were getting. We can discuss that Kentucky and South Carolina were super long shots. That those incumbents are impossible to unseat. I get it all. So the throwing of cash around, just astounds me.

I probably was in the wrong field where I starve for maybe 2 to 4 years and then as political consultant I make a huge cash bonus from these idiot and live off it until the next election.

[cubby]

The Political Industrial Complex. Such a great scam/grift to run. Last i read it was easily over $300 million. Most of it is the con of running massive tv ads, mailers, etc., which I have massive skepticism reaches any voters. TV stations love it. Print loves it. This is Xmas for them actually around Xmas. Anyways I believe its lazy, but they can convince the candidates into spending money on this.

The other comment I have which we saw when Amy McGrath, Sara Gideon (Maine) and Jaime Harrison. All that money and it was a crushing defeat. Everywhere in social media and tv media they always boasted of how much money these candidates were getting. We can discuss that Kentucky and South Carolina were super long shots. That those incumbents are impossible to unseat. I get it all. So the throwing of cash around, just astounds me.

I probably was in the wrong field where I starve for maybe 2 to 4 years and then as political consultant I make a huge cash bonus from these idiot and live off it until the next election.

It does seem like the advertising and even greater political machine is just one big scam. I'm sure those ads help, but the amount of money that goes into those machines is beyond ridiculous. Of course, the flip side, if that amount of cash results in flipping the Senate, and then that flipped Senate rights the U.S.' proverbial ship, it would all be worth it.

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To an extent, it's true...on certain issues. On immigration restrictionism/nationalism/race/Christian supremacy/etc. then I 100% agree with you. But there is a certain truth that the GOP uses 'culture war' issues to win votes while acting in ways that many/most of their voters don't actually approve of when it comes to economy, healthcare, and other substantive policy issues.

So I guess "they should take back their party" is partly true...in the sense that the GOP is 100% corporate shills, and a bulk of their voters aren't the economic libertarians that the GOP mega donors are. But in terms of most of the other issues...yes the GOP base is leading the politicians who live in perpetual fear of them. It IS the party of the loud, angry, reactionary, nationalist 'conservatives.'

The GOP is lost - they could have had this conversation before the 2020 election, but now - no. 74,000,000+ votes for a person who has literal analogies to Hitler. They knew he was a horrible man, and they still voted for Trump - morally they are done. Now, will they collapse - doubtful. Mitch will keep them together as a party as Trump fades into ridiculousness post Jan 21.

The big question is how the United States can heal after the Grifter-in-Chief tore this country in half. I don't see a path forward for decades.

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Trump declares the Georgia Senate Runoff Elections illegal and invalid.

Thanks, Trump! I hope your idiotic and willfully ignorant mouth-breathing fans continue to follow you off the cliff.

[cubby]

Well a better question the left and more importantly the media should be asking is how did he get that many. And for what reasons? We heard from the media and hollywood how biden would sweep DRUMPF yet it was much closer.

I don't like trump at all but he still played the media like a cheap fiddle. Now on to the more serious topic. The 75 million people that voted for trump don't have to explain shit to the people asking. The reason is simple. As an american they can vote for who ever they want. My parents voted Trump. I voted biden. I don't care for what reasons they decided trump. I'm not going to cut contact with them because we don't agree politically. The media needs to rebuild trust with the public at large. The distrust in the media was building for decades. And I really think it came to a boiling point in 2016, between them claiming you were a sexist for not seeing a remake. To running around calling zimmerman a "white latino" while also getting damn near everything wrong about Mike brown. you know important details like he almost choked out a shopkeeper for a pack of cheap cigars.

I will agree that the GOP is largely leaderless but the Democrats right now are not sitting pretty neither they all have their problems whoever courts the working class the best right now will be the more popular one. So far perception is they haven't done anything for us. Actions speak louder than words in this case if mitch the bitch gets unseated and Biden pushes through a bunch of reforms for us working class People. Democrats will be much better off.

Blaming the media for following Trump is beyond ridiculous. There can be no one reason why so many people choose to follow Trump, but they did, and that points to a deep cancer within our country. Just in case you weren't paying attention, Biden did sweep Trump. The election wasn't even remotely close either electorally nor overall vote.

I won't be asking any 2020 Trump voter why - their willful ignorance is their own problem, and voting for Trump in 2020 means they probably have no idea they even have a problem, much less see a reason to change anything. Those that did vote for Trump are no longer people I speak with, if I can make that choice - former friends and family are out. Trump is a plague on the American society, voting for him in 2020 sets a clear standard on how one feels about the country, the world, and the future.

The GOP isn't leaderless, they are hopeless - adrift in a sea of selfishness, grifting, lies, and a deep hatred for democracy.

[s_bushido]

the media

the media and hollywood

the media

The media

the media

The only people who have been duped are people like you. Falling hook, line, and sinker for Trump's and the GOP's propaganda about the nefarious Mainstream Media™. Idiots have been blaming those evil leftists on the TV for all the world's problems for decades now, but who would have thought that it would have taken Republicans so long to actually turn that into big business.

[cubby]

Well people like you who can't think for themselves are the main demo for the mainstream media. fiery but mostly peaceful protests lol. As long as people like you cannot accept any kind of fault with the media the situation will not change.

It's interesting that you thought you were rebutting him, but actually proved him right. What's more interesting is that you don't know what you did.

Blaming the Mainstream Media is a Trump attribute. Why are you helping him?

[cubby]

I'm not helping trump. After the shit the media did leading up to 2016 I can't fathom how anyone trusts them. Between Mike brown, the coventon kids, and giving Drumpf. Millions in free advertising. They really should've toned down the rhetoric and just report the news like they are paid to do. instead they double down on it. hell with all the riots and shit going on I am very surprised Trump didn't get higher votes. especially when you're like CNN and have fiery but mostly peaceful protests which shit on fire in the background. You just let your bias cloud vision because they think orange man is bad. Cnn it's not the only new source in the world there are many independent new sources and people are smart enough to think for themselves. Stuff like Twitter also helps because it gives multiple angles just like with that Covington kids. the media only cares about ratings they do not care about the truth. Mike Brown proved that long time ago.

As I said if you don't see how the media didn't help trump at all. That's a problem. Yes I do blame the media for a lot of the shit that helped trump get into office. Taking things at face value without research is a right wing thing ain't it? I thought the left prided themselves on informed choices.. yet me raising an eyebrow at MSM gets me finger wagged at since I didn't just consume orange man bad? which is it? am I supposed to just blindly follow what they tell me to do or am I supposed to research because I'm getting two different messages from the supposed enlightened left here.

I can agree with you that profit-based "news" outlets were a bad idea from the start.

No one disagreed with you that the media helped Trump - you say millions, but it was estimated he received upwards of $2B in free advertising from the media during the 2016 campaign in total.

What we are disagreeing with you on is that the assertion that main stream media is to blame for any of this. It's people not bothering to learn the truth, which can be found on main stream media, and deciding instead to only believe what they feel. Never fact checking, never getting alternative points of view, never being open to a new idea or though - unless it affirms their already ignorant based opinion.

The true issue with this country and the world is that people are not open to being wrong. To the idea that their point of view or opinion could be flat out, dangerously, wrong.

And that has NOTHING to do with main stream media. Which you are claiming it to be.

Trump is also pushing this point of view, your point of view, that MSM is to blame for everything. That they can't be trusted. Trump pushes that point of view, that lie, to further his fascist goals. It's literally part of a Fascist Playbook. I'm NOT saying you are pushing a fascist point of view, what I am saying is that you should be careful what you say, because MSM is NOT to blame for the woes of this country.

[cubby]

Anyone else weirdly excited for Monday's scheduled Trump rally? GA already has record early voter turnout for a runoff, hopefully that means anyone who didn't vote down ballot in November is ready to tell Mitch to fuck off with his stimulus obstruction.

Weirdly is a good word for it, because yes, I am. I can't wait for Trump to almost immediately go off script and start calling the election illegal and irrelevant. But I'm at best cautiously optimistic about the results. Both seats turning blue is almost impossible. I certainly hope it does, of course.

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That's what I'm waiting to see I'm waiting to see a mitch ends up eating his words for just doing the $600 checks. I can imagine people on both sides are really pissed off at him right now.

And that could be the tipping point - Mitch saying no to the bump in stimulus checks with this election looming is baffling.

[minteK917]

People are too optimistic and also using logic to attempt to understand how red people vote. People are fucking hypocrites, everyone telling you they are mad at the gop senate will vote the same color they would have . You just have to check all the popular trumpers "mad at gop", everytime they podcast or type about that shit, its always hey elections are fake but you should go vote GA, make sure you dont let the dem pack the court. Clown like Tim Pool and the like sold you guys the lie that theres some devide on who is gona vote red.

70% republican sweep. 30% split.

[cubby]

The last time he was rallying for these two was pretty hilarious and I'm sure it'll only be heightened due to proximity to Congress's certification of the EC.

I agree. And he's now in a Hitler/1945 situation, surrounded by the last remains of people who are too cowardly to say no to him. So whomever is writing his speeches is going to feed his ego and ignorant opinion. Hysterics should ensure.

[s_bushido]

Well people like you who can't think for themselves are the main demo for the mainstream media. fiery but mostly peaceful protests lol. As long as people like you cannot accept any kind of fault with the media the situation will not change.

What "fault," exactly? Sensationalism and clickait? No shit. You think that alone is responsible for 74 million people voting for the man whose administration has presided over the deaths of 350,000 Americans, and whose party continues to fight tooth and nail to prevent people getting the help they need?

Fox has been the mouthpiece of the Republican party (and the most-watched outlet by a wide margin) for over a decade, and yet the morons who whine incessantly about The Media never said a peep about their steady stream of horseshit and blatant propaganda. Until recently, that is, when they decided that their accurately reporting the results of the presidential election meant that they had been part of the (((deep state))) all along. Because they finally joined the ranks of those in the media who were guilty of conveying verifiable reality to those watching...at least on this single issue. Something Trump and his cult have been vehemently opposed to since well before he even took office.

[Omega10]

Did the (((derp state))) make you post? (This is a joke obviously) no I don't think the media is solely to blame for Trump's rise it's a myriad of other issues I'd be here all day . every time I start up some like Firefox or MSN I always see articles like oh you're white so you're bad. If you don't like (x) you're a (y). Every one of those type of stories of roads the trust of the media why do you think games journalism is largely mocked? I'll give you a hint it's not because of gamergate. look at the laughable article which was kotaku's gamers of the year.

This comes across as: There are people that are MEAN to us <despite the fact that we've been insulting them in every way possible for quite a long time>.

SOOOOO... We're going to VOTE FOR TRUMP even though he is destroying US democracy, let the virus get so bad that we are over 350k deaths and projections are for over 500k by the end of JANUARY, told lie after lie after lie after lie to the point that US credability is at an all time low, and is not going to recover for a LONG TIME if ever, has destroyed pretty much every federal agency that exists, and now republicans are threatening on making sure the democracy is beaten to a pulp by contesting the election in both the House and Senate on January 6.

You DO KNOW that, as a resident of Georgia, I am subjected to ad after ad after ad making it clear that the official republican position is that my RADICAL LIBERAL beliefs are SO EVIL that it is CRUCIAL for citizens to RISE UP AND VOTE to prevent my evil wickedness from prevailing in America.

What a thin skin you have. This post is a Trump like lie. With all of the verbal abuse that republicans put out against pretty much everyone else, the push back that they get back is laughably mild.

[Muzjhath]

Well a better question the left and more importantly the media should be asking is how did he get that many. And for what reasons? We heard from the media and hollywood how biden would sweep DRUMPF yet it was much closer.

I didn't read any replies really post this.
But how did Trump get that many? He said the quiet part out loud.
He appeased the Racists harder than anyone, and probably got some super racists who generally don't vote to vote for him. Along with lots of anti-establishment idiots who bought in to him not being the swamp wanting to drain it still voting for him.
Along with the politically disengaged who just voted "R".

[Kaleredar]

People are too optimistic and also using logic to attempt to understand how red people vote. People are fucking hypocrites, everyone telling you they are mad at the gop senate will vote the same color they would have . You just have to check all the popular trumpers "mad at gop", everytime they podcast or type about that shit, its always hey elections are fake but you should go vote GA, make sure you dont let the dem pack the court. Clown like Tim Pool and the like sold you guys the lie that theres some devide on who is gona vote red.

I'm assuming this is how it'll wind up.

These are the people who, by and large, "didn't like Trump but were afraid of what the democrats were going to do if they didn't vote for him." So they're the same kind of people who "might think the election is fraudulent, but can't risk the democrats being in power."

The GOP knows that all they have to do is rattle off boogeymen buzzwords like socialism, illegal immigrants, welfare, and sprinkle them with guns and Jesus, and they'll have a solid and loyal base scared enough to go out and vote for them no matter what.

[Kathranis]

That's what I'm waiting to see I'm waiting to see a mitch ends up eating his words for just doing the $600 checks. I can imagine people on both sides are really pissed off at him right now.

Sure, but I somehow doubt that a majority of Republican voters understand or accept that they need to vote Democrat in the runoffs to take away Mitch's majority control of the Senate (and even then, the Dems still need to pick up more seats in 2022 to affect meaningful policy change).

Loeffler and Perdue said they support $2000 checks too so they must care about working class voters, right? If they get their news from back channels like Facebook and OAN then I assume that's where their thought process stops.

These people consistently vote against their own interests. I'm seeing plenty of idiots on social media talking about "voting out McConnell" even though he just won re-election in Kentucky, who will happily turn around and vote for other Republican candidates who support the exact same policies.

[PhaelixWW]

The fact that these ads sway so many people so much of the time is a major reason that our politics are so toxic, infantile, and irrelevant. There is no way to even begin to discuss anything in a serious way in such an atmosphere. It's also a reason why the US was the major power in the past, and China and EU will the major powers in the future.

These ads don't really sway that many people; I think you're just underestimating how much a 1-2% shift can really accomplish in an election.

That's a common perception problem relating to election campaigns, though.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Well a better question the left and more importantly the media should be asking is how did he get that many. And for what reasons? We heard from the media and hollywood how biden would sweep DRUMPF yet it was much closer.

I don't like trump at all but he still played the media like a cheap fiddle. Now on to the more serious topic. The 75 million people that voted for trump don't have to explain shit to the people asking. The reason is simple. As an american they can vote for who ever they want. My parents voted Trump. I voted biden. I don't care for what reasons they decided trump. I'm not going to cut contact with them because we don't agree politically. The media needs to rebuild trust with the public at large. The distrust in the media was building for decades. And I really think it came to a boiling point in 2016, between them claiming you were a sexist for not seeing a remake. To running around calling zimmerman a "white latino" while also getting damn near everything wrong about Mike brown. you know important details like he almost choked out a shopkeeper for a pack of cheap cigars.

I will agree that the GOP is largely leaderless but the Democrats right now are not sitting pretty neither they all have their problems whoever courts the working class the best right now will be the more popular one. So far perception is they haven't done anything for us. Actions speak louder than words in this case if mitch the bitch gets unseated and Biden pushes through a bunch of reforms for us working class People. Democrats will be much better off.

In 1999, Fox News came into existence. Before that, there was not a far right perspective that focused on conspiracy theories and right wing social policy. Fox News was the first network to really refer to Mexican Migrants as "invaders". It was the first network to push a lot of other far right things that had been boiling below the surface. Before that point, America had always been a very progressive nation, adopting social policy and culture that was basically at the cutting edge of the world.

Before Fox News really covered the issue, Mexican migrants went back and forth across the border freely, harvesting US crops in the warmer half of the year, and harvesting crops in Mexico during the colder months of the year. Due to policy passed during that period, crossing the border went from something people freely did to a tightly controlled border. The Mexicans were never permanent residents. They simply went back and forth. Bush era was when we began seeing mumblings of building a wall solely because it originated on Fox.

2000-2010 was also the proliferation of the internet. It is when far right pockets of the internet began to grow. Before that, echo chambers didn't really exist, so conspiracy theories were relegated to small meetings and street corners.

The media never lost the trust of the right. The right stopped trusting them for basically no reason other than it didn't tell them what they wanted to hear. Simply because the media that has existed in this country for decades didn't do things like start calling Mexicans invaders, among many other issues that the right made political. Same thing with climate change. Climate change was never disputed until some oil execs paid right wing politicians to make it a political issue.

There's nothing the "main stream media" ( I think that's a really dumb term, and is a term that the right uses very flixbly, even for small news sources that don't agree with them ) can do to "regain the trust of the right". Not without going against journalistic ethics and posting lies and conspiracies. Or just straight up doing detestable bullshit like blatantly calling Mexicans "invaders".

No, Fox news is what most conservatives want, and even for them Fox is too far to the left. And of course, if you've any sense, you'll see just what Fox is doing as well. It spent 8 years praising bush, 8 years trashing Obama, and 4 years shining Trump's shaft. They are the least neutral of all the networks out there, at least of the big names.

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every time I start up some like Firefox or MSN I always see articles like oh you're white so you're bad.

I can't say I've ever seen a single piece to this effect, at least from actual media sources. You might be getting weird notifications from clickbait.com sites that are literally just trolling for clicks for ad revenue, but this kind of thing just isn't something you ever see from primary news sources.

[Vago]

Sure, but I somehow doubt that a majority of Republican voters understand or accept that they need to vote Democrat in the runoffs to take away Mitch's majority control of the Senate (and even then, the Dems still need to pick up more seats in 2022 to affect meaningful policy change).

Loeffler and Perdue said they support $2000 checks too so they must care about working class voters, right? If they get their news from back channels like Facebook and OAN then I assume that's where their thought process stops.

These people consistently vote against their own interests. I'm seeing plenty of idiots on social media talking about "voting out McConnell" even though he just won re-election in Kentucky, who will happily turn around and vote for other Republican candidates who support the exact same policies.

"These people" aren't as dumb as all you Democrat's think they are. Yes sometimes we may vote against OUR own interest, as you and so many others say, to vote for what we believe is the BEST INTREST OF THE COUNTRY. Just because "we" would benefit from all the free stuff promised doesn't mean it is the best thing to do for the country as a whole. But, I can tell you this, as a life long Republican and someone that doesn't need the stimulus checks I am at a point now were I'm not sure I could ever vote Republican again. I believe that helping businesses, helps Americans, we need jobs. I believe being fiscally responsible is morally right, I believe in most of what the Republican party stands for as I believed they were the party for the people whether the people believed it or not. After what Mitch as done, the perfect opportunity to prove my beliefs all these years were correct; I now see, I was wrong! At this point the people NEED help and he called the extra money socialism for the rich or some shit like that?! Yea, not a happy Republican right now and I hope the Dems sweep Georgia and Mitch gets the can!

[Milchshake]

Biden taking a break from selling online merch today... /s

Biden, holding a car rally in Atlanta today. Making it crystal clear that a vote for Warnock/Ossoff is a vote for extra COVID relief and stimulus checks.



Unified Dem messaging has been pretty on point.
Biden talks about $2,000 stimulus checks and urges Georgians to vote tomorrow, saying the “power is literally in your hands” to make them happen by electing Ossoff and Warnock.

[Kathranis]

Glad that Biden jumped on the stimulus bandwagon. Finally.

[Edge-]

https://www.wjcl.com/article/preside...llout/35120024

At an event in Savannah, Sen. Kelly Loeffler was asked several times about whether she thinks this action was appropriate but declined to answer saying, “My entire focus is on tomorrow Tuesday, Jan. 5 making sure that Georgians turnout to vote. The polls are open 7 a.m. to 7 p.m.,” she said. “We have to have Georgians come out and vote.”

Again, Loeffler proves she's little more than an emotionless robot that sucks at politics. She's not good at rejecting the premise of the question, nor changing the topic. It's a wonder she had to be appointed, instead of elected to her current job.