Capitol Insurrection / rebellion thread

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https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml...mpression=true

"I found out what they were planning when a friend of mine screenshot me an Instagram story from the Proud Boys saying, 'We're breaching the capitol today, guys. I hope y'all ready.'" The officer, who asked to remain anonymous out of fear of retaliation from his superiors, told BuzzFeed News that it was just a sign of the chaos that was to come, which saw officers regularly finding themselves unprepared and then outmanned and overpowered by the mob.

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“That was a heavily trained group of militia terrorists that attacked us," he said. "They had radios, we found them, they had two-way communicators and earpieces. They had bear spray. They had flash bangs ...They were prepared. They strategically put two IEDs, pipe bombs in two different locations. These guys were military trained. A lot of them were former military,” the veteran said, referring to two suspected pipe bombs that were found outside the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee and the Republican National Committee.

The officer even described coming face to face with police officers from across the country in the mob. He said some of them flashed the badges, telling him to let them through, and trying to explain that this was all part of a movement that was supposed to help.

“You have the nerve to be holding a blue lives matter flag, and you are out there fucking us up,” he told one group of protestors he encountered inside the Capitol. “[One guy] pulled out his badge and he said, ‘we're doing this for you.’ Another guy had his badge. So I was like, ‘well, you gotta be kidding.’”

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"We were telling them to back up and get away and stop, and they're telling us, they are on our side, and they're doing this for us, and they’re saying this as I'm getting punched in my face by one of them … That happened to a lot of us. We were getting pepper sprayed in the face by those protesters, I'm not going to even call them protestors, by those domestic terrorists,” said the officer.

While it was a hard day for almost every officer at the Capitol, Black officers were in a particularly difficult position, he said, and he drew a stark contrast with how police handled the Black Lives Matter protests this summer.

“There’s quite a big difference when the Black Lives Matter protests come up to the capitol," he said. "[On Wednesday], some officers were catering to the rioters.”

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“Our chief was nowhere to be found, I didn't hear him on the radio. One of our other deputy chiefs was not there,” he said. “You don't think it's all hands on deck?”

Some of the Black Capitol Police officers are pretty fuckin pissed at both the insurrectionists, their boss, and their racist white colleagues.

[Xeones]

I'm not surprised. Earlier when I saw the more violent footage from inside it really looked like some cops had been abandoned to die while others didn't do their jobs.

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https://www.newsweek.com/shirtless-h...sident-1560260

And Q Shaman idiot implicating Trump, telling the FBI he stormed the Capitol building at Trump's request.

/popcorn

[Daelak]

https://www.newsweek.com/shirtless-h...sident-1560260

And Q Shaman idiot implicating Trump, telling the FBI he stormed the Capitol building at Trump's request.

/popcorn

Thats amazing.

[szechuan]

Oh look at all those people who now need to be charged and sentenced to 10 years under Trumps EO.

They get another present from their orange leader

A lot of them seem like they may only get light sentences of about 1 year or less.

[Corvus]

After being thrown under the buss by the democrats financially and politically .And after months of BLM riots i think you will find a very lethargic reaction from the police force to handle these cases. I would think that a lot of the police would even have schadenfreude.

One of their own was murdered by the mob. I think you will find them very motivated.

[Muxtar]

What you describe simply is not the case, you are worried about the influence from the minority of the minority within the democratic party.
Progressives did not win the election, or else Bernie Sanders would have been the candidate. Biden appointing progressive cabinet members is also something that has been in the making for a while as the establishment is being challenged, this is a good thing for democracy but less so for the power of the party. The idea that all democrats will be simply on board with just about everything is something you rarely see and something you won't see now.

Also if Kamala is considered far left in your book you don't know her political background or don't correctly understand the political spectrum, the democratic party including her is centrum-right and it has been that for a long time, over Clinton and Obama it was the same.

Plenty of people have dived into why trump got elected not really feeling digging into that subject again but yes it has been a long time coming this frustration with politics, however the answer to anti-establishment was simply more and more corrupt establishment covered by misinformation and using the age old trick of creating enemies to justify just about any action even if it inflicts harm to one self.

When president picks his team member not for their professional qualities, but for their gender/skin color/sex orientation, it is not good thing for democracy at all. It is quota principle and domination of form above the quality. You will tell me that those women/black people Biden picked are good professionals, and I agree with you - but it they all highlighted not as professionals in the first place - but as woman/LGBT member/black human. Politics is more about what it looks like than what it is in reality. And it does look like Biden picks his crew depending on skin color or who they sleep with rather than their competency.

As fo Kamala you may be right, because I am not that deep into her political biography and history of views, but she endorses and supports all that 'equality' propaganda that only appears as democracy. That tells a lot about her.

Yeah, Trump was not in any closest to the real anti-establishment candidate, he - as good actor - looked like one, and told people what they wanted to hear in order to be elected. And after 2016 elections we all saw real Donald Trump, in all his glory.

[PhaelixWW]

After being thrown under the buss by the democrats financially and politically .And after months of BLM riots i think you will find a very lethargic reaction from the police force to handle these cases. I would think that a lot of the police would even have schadenfreude.

Nah, lol. Again, we're talking probably mostly DHS and FBI, not regular police. I don't think the DHS, the FBI, or even the police for that matter, like sedition, insurrection, and domestic terrorism.

[Muxtar]

If you're opposed to equitable treatment of LGBT people, women, or blacks, then you don't have a valid opinion. You're just a bigot, and your only arguments are that you want to abuse people, and you're upset that people are telling you "nah".

This is the perfect example of intolerance for any other opinion except your own - and the only right one. Nowhere I told that I am opposed to equitable treatment of these minorities, I am opposed to propaganda of their values and giving preferences to them. Equality is about equality, right?

If the question is "should we restrict their access to platforms by which to further their abuses of others" or "we should just let them abuse and harm others freely", the former is clearly the option that harms the least people.

You might call that "censorship", but it's an abuse of the term. It's "censorship" in the same sense that banning child pornography is "censorship". That penalizing a newspaper for printing deliberate, intentional lies is "censorship". Etc. All things pretty much everyone agrees should be "censored".

So it basically comes down to this; if you are opposed to censorship in any form, you implicitly support child pornography. If you agree that some things should be censored, like child porn, then you can't base a criticism on "but that's censorship", because you know censorship can be a good thing. So you get to pick which side of that particular coin you're on.

Child porn is clear example of physical violence towards other people, especially children. When 'equality' is widely definited term, which everyone can interpret as they wish - which we're seeing for the last 10 years or so. It is you who change and abuse terms here.

In fact, not shutting the Nazis up is what led to the Nazi Reich.

In fact, shameful terms of Versaille treaty and excess punishment of Germans after WW1 led to social demand for someone like Nazis and 3rd Reich. Try to read some history first.

Just cases where that "opinion" actively harms people.

One example: let's imagine that I am employer. How my opinion, that I should choose people who I want to hire depending on their professional competency and not on their skin color or sex orientation, harms others? And we know that some gay man that I refused to hire can always raise noise on social media that I refused him just because he is gay. Then I will have to explain myself, but I will already be a villain in the eyes of many many people and my reputation will suffer. It is real example btw. How my opinion that all lives matter harms others? How my refuse to bend the knee to blacks, just because I am white and some white people 200 years ago who were not even my ancestors harmed some black people, harms these blacks? I can give plenty more examples.

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I doubt that this riot is going to be the last one either considering the make-up of this group. Bidens presidency is likely going to collapse within a few years.

I don't know about Biden presidency, but if democrats will keep pushing things as they do right now, it will sure won't be the last clash, and these clashes will be more and more bloody, with uncertain perspectives.

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This has already been covered in this thread multiple times. The majority of BLM protests are peaceful (93%), though more than 40% of Americans believe the majority are violent, which likely shows that media coverage has biased Americans against BLM. It should also be noted that the report includes things like "fighting back against police", which is sometimes a result of blatant police brutality, so the report has a minor bias in favour of BLM protests being violent. Even then, there's no equivalence there. What happens at riots forming out of BLM protests is typically property damage, not attempts to storm the Capitol and murder politicians at the request of the worlds most incompetent dictator.

I think it's also important to note 5 people died in the storming of the Capitol, whereas for the two weeks after the death of George Floyd, when emotions were running highest, only 19 people died across the US.

I wonder what federal media except maybe Fox News, showed bias against BLM. There was a praise for that stuff from every cellphone all over the westworld.
And btw, storming Capitol was the same property damage and clash with police as happened during BLM, no more, no less. You can read charges against arrested people to know that. And your fantasies about intentions to kill politicians, and such requests from 'worlds incompetent dictator' (lol really?) are just your fantasies.

Provide reasons how Kamala and Sanders are "radical far-left" individuals, as well as reasons for why you believe they are intolerant or are otherwise bad leaders. Genuinely, I would like to know. What evidence do you have that those people are more extreme or worse than the Nazis who marched on the Capitol and the monstrous, spineless Republican senators who have coddled Trump and played party politics as Americans die. Please, tell us.

Answered above to another guy.

[Edge-]

Equality is about equality, right?

Yes, but context matters.

If everyone started at the same place, we'd agree. But historically groups have been given advantages over others, while other groups have had severe restrictions placed upon them to keep them behind. Redlining etc. contributed to the lack of transferrable wealth within the Black community for decades/well over a century, for example. So if you treat everything as equal, as a group Black Americans will be at a decided disadvantage to say white Americans who have family that benefitted from that history and have increased wealth and opportunities passed onto them.

That's why the, "WHY CAN'T YOU JUST SUPPORT TRUE EQUALITY!" is nonsense.

[Kathranis]

The entire point of adulthood is that we presume you're capable of taking care of yourself after a certain age. Are we really - somehow, somewhere - truly failing so miserably at creating functioning adults?

How is that a sincere question? Do you live under a rock? Where have you been the last year?

Look at how people react to common sense pandemic prevention measures. Blatantly false election fraud claims. Countless conspiracy theories.

Do you think these people correctly perceive reality and can be expected to make correct choices?

Did you not just see hundreds if not thousands of people participate in an ad-hoc siege on the US Capitol and then not even have the common sense to protect their own identities?

These aren't just a few outliers, either. There are tens of millions of these people.

[Shadowferal]

Yes, but context matters.

I'm seeing an attack on having simply a difference of opinion.
And the one he's responding is always right no matter how wrong s/he is...even when the very person s/he's arguing with agrees with him/her.

[Machismo]

When president picks his team member not for their professional qualities, but for their gender/skin color/sex orientation, it is not good thing for democracy at all. It is quota principle and domination of form above the quality. You will tell me that those women/black people Biden picked are good professionals, and I agree with you - but it they all highlighted not as professionals in the first place - but as woman/LGBT member/black human. Politics is more about what it looks like than what it is in reality. And it does look like Biden picks his crew depending on skin color or who they sleep with rather than their competency.

As fo Kamala you may be right, because I am not that deep into her political biography and history of views, but she endorses and supports all that 'equality' propaganda that only appears as democracy. That tells a lot about her.

Yeah, Trump was not in any closest to the real anti-establishment candidate, he - as good actor - looked like one, and told people what they wanted to hear in order to be elected. And after 2016 elections we all saw real Donald Trump, in all his glory.

Trump hired the head of the WWE to head the SBA, and a woman with literally zero education experience to dead the DoE.

Get out of here with that nonsense.

If you think Kamala Harris is far left, then we know you're either ignorant, or lying.

[Ivanstone]

When president picks his team member not for their professional qualities, but for their gender/skin color/sex orientation, it is not good thing for democracy at all. It is quota principle and domination of form above the quality. You will tell me that those women/black people Biden picked are good professionals, and I agree with you - but it they all highlighted not as professionals in the first place - but as woman/LGBT member/black human. Politics is more about what it looks like than what it is in reality. And it does look like Biden picks his crew depending on skin color or who they sleep with rather than their competency.

As fo Kamala you may be right, because I am not that deep into her political biography and history of views, but she endorses and supports all that 'equality' propaganda that only appears as democracy. That tells a lot about her.

Yeah, Trump was not in any closest to the real anti-establishment candidate, he - as good actor - looked like one, and told people what they wanted to hear in order to be elected. And after 2016 elections we all saw real Donald Trump, in all his glory.

When president picks his team member not for their professional qualities, but for their gender/skin color/sex orientation, it is not good thing for democracy at all. It is quota principle and domination of form above the quality. You will tell me that those men/white people Trump picked are good professionals*, and I agree with you - but it they all highlighted not as professionals in the first place - but as man/straight/white human. Politics is more about what it looks like than what it is in reality. And it does look like Trump picks his crew depending on skin color or who they sleep with rather than their competency.

As for Pence, he endorses and supports all that religious propaganda that only appears as democracy. That tells a lot about him.



*Actually Trump didn't pick any good professionals. He just picked a bunch of sycophants. The vast majority of which were white, straight males just like him.

[Machismo]

This is the perfect example of intolerance for any other opinion except your own - and the only right one. Nowhere I told that I am opposed to equitable treatment of these minorities, I am opposed to propaganda of their values and giving preferences to them. Equality is about equality, right?




Child porn is clear example of physical violence towards other people, especially children. When 'equality' is widely definited term, which everyone can interpret as they wish - which we're seeing for the last 10 years or so. It is you who change and abuse terms here.




In fact, shameful terms of Versaille treaty and excess punishment of Germans after WW1 led to social demand for someone like Nazis and 3rd Reich. Try to read some history first.



One example: let's imagine that I am employer. How my opinion, that I should choose people who I want to hire depending on their professional competency and not on their skin color or sex orientation, harms others? And we know that some gay man that I refused to hire can always raise noise on social media that I refused him just because he is gay. Then I will have to explain myself, but I will already be a villain in the eyes of many many people and my reputation will suffer. It is real example btw. How my opinion that all lives matter harms others? How my refuse to bend the knee to blacks, just because I am white and some white people 200 years ago who were not even my ancestors harmed some black people, harms these blacks? I can give plenty more examples.

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I don't know about Biden presidency, but if democrats will keep pushing things as they do right now, it will sure won't be the last clash, and these clashes will be more and more bloody, with uncertain perspectives.

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I wonder what federal media except maybe Fox News, showed bias against BLM. There was a praise for that stuff from every cellphone all over the westworld.
And btw, storming Capitol was the same property damage and clash with police as happened during BLM, no more, no less. You can read charges against arrested people to know that. And your fantasies about intentions to kill politicians, and such requests from 'worlds incompetent dictator' (lol really?) are just your fantasies.




Answered above to another guy.

You just proved the point., if you cannot be consistent in your "all censorship is bad" push, then you are literally arguing against yourself. These are private businesses who have decided to stop platforming Nazi trash. If you really don't like it, then start your own site, and platform them.

As for the rest, it's clear you have a thing against gay people, but that is another discussion, for another day.

[SirBeef]

In all honestly, guys like Kraken are responsible for creating the environment that fostered the current movement on the right. These sorts have been behind the bending of platforms and algorithms to promote otherwise unemployable dipshits and feed radicalization through those platforms. Youtube, Facebook, and Twitter are all conduits, but so are the myriad of boneheaded think pieces of free speech absolutism that has led to a curdling of smaller voices in favor of aggression and being loud -- both traits in Trump's favor.

So, they fed themselves, Trump fed them, Hawley and Cruz fed them, but also a lot of other people -- making a lot of money, no less -- fostered and fed them. No one could check them because every time someone did it was called an attack on free speech. So, we ended up with a whole lot of people radicalized to believe dangerous, crazy, and fascist shit, and they got violent. No one following this shit for the last half decade is at all surprised.

I know that's why I told him to piss off. They stoke the flames then pretend to be concerned. They all can go fuck off as far as I'm.concerned.

[Magical Mudcrab]

This is the perfect example of intolerance for any other opinion except your own - and the only right one. Nowhere I told that I am opposed to equitable treatment of these minorities, I am opposed to propaganda of their values and giving preferences to them. Equality is about equality, right?

It could just be cognitive dissonance, but your position is implicitly stating that you do not care about the rights of minorities. You're trying to justify the opinions of people who are against the rights of minorities while simultaneously trying to say people who outright reject the beliefs of those hateful people are simply being intolerant, as though that's a bad thing. I won't even shirk the label, if I am considered intolerant for not caring about the beliefs of Nazis and Klansmen, then colour me intolerant. I would rather be intolerant towards prejudice than be tolerant of it and contribute to the hatred of minorities.

If you genuinely believe we need to be tolerant of hate, you need to do some serious self reflection.

[Acidbaron]

When president picks his team member not for their professional qualities, but for their gender/skin color/sex orientation, it is not good thing for democracy at all. It is quota principle and domination of form above the quality. You will tell me that those women/black people Biden picked are good professionals, and I agree with you - but it they all highlighted not as professionals in the first place - but as woman/LGBT member/black human. Politics is more about what it looks like than what it is in reality. And it does look like Biden picks his crew depending on skin color or who they sleep with rather than their competency.

As fo Kamala you may be right, because I am not that deep into her political biography and history of views, but she endorses and supports all that 'equality' propaganda that only appears as democracy. That tells a lot about her.

Yeah, Trump was not in any closest to the real anti-establishment candidate, he - as good actor - looked like one, and told people what they wanted to hear in order to be elected. And after 2016 elections we all saw real Donald Trump, in all his glory.

All those picked are professionals and have backgrounds, it is not merely catering. As for him picking members from different background and communities that is a good thing. I see no issue with creating a cabinet that is more representative of society as a whole.

Diversity is not an ugly word in my book.

If you don't know anything about the VP why do you form an opinion before bothering looking her up? The only politicians who do not endorse equality are far right politicians, conservatives in general do not oppose this. Her support of said matters puts her in line with the majority of the western centrum right politicians. Your look on this might differ because i know people from said regions have different outlook on gays and people of colour, them being sick and inferior and so forth. But that thinking is outdated and doesn't belong in this century so i don't see how this should be a guideline for any sort of policy.

[Edge-]

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local...grets/2276413/

STORMING THE CAPITOL TO CHUG A BOTTLE OF WINE FOR AMERICA!

He resigned as a USPS letter carrier and wants to run for a county commissioner spot. Gonna be kinda hard to do with an arrest record and maybe being in jail by the time that election rolls around.

[Magical Mudcrab]

I wonder what federal media except maybe Fox News, showed bias against BLM. There was a praise for that stuff from every cellphone all over the westworld.
And btw, storming Capitol was the same property damage and clash with police as happened during BLM, no more, no less. You can read charges against arrested people to know that. And your fantasies about intentions to kill politicians, and such requests from 'worlds incompetent dictator' (lol really?) are just your fantasies.

Let's talk about killing politicians. A noose was brought to the Capitol and people stormed the building chanting "Hang Mike Pence" as the senators were retreating from the building. Additionally, they planted bombs in the building that needed to be detonated off-site. If you think that there was no intent to kill, you're being intentionally obtuse.

Regarding media bias against BLM, I would have to suggest you read the report and relevant polling, which I know is unlikely to happen, and then post after doing so.

Answered above to another guy.

And you gave hilariously bad answers. None of those are valid reasons. You basically call Biden's picks minority/diversity hires and then cleaned your hands of actually giving any valid reasons why Kamala or Sanders are far-left. You even backtrack on Kamala because, by your admission, you simply do not know anything about her.