Capitol Insurrection / rebellion thread

[docterfreeze]

The simple reality that none of these platforms have any capacity to silence anyone. It's literally outside of their scope.

Being banned from social media is the equivalent of being told to "take it outside" when you're harassing other customers in a store. That's it. You're still free to rant as much as you want outside the store.

Stop inventing batshit crazy persecution conspiracies, dude.

In 2021 if you aren't on social media your words will go nowhere. Your ideas may as well not exist.

[Edge-]

AH, so now we're getting in the territory of if these corporations are maybe too big? Well, that's a whole other discussion. As far as i know, there is no appendix to the 1st amendment like "unless they're a big tech companies dominating the market".

Sounds like an addition someone can add? But until, it's their right to boot facists.

"Freedom of Speech shall not be abridged by the government, unless a company starts taking down my dank memes on the internet and then we'll have words." - George Washington, just before crossing the Delaware.

[PhaelixWW]

https://www.stcroixrepublican.org/

Yo, check out the front page of the St. Croix Republican Party.

Fuckin cosplay insurrectionists.

At least that one's Latin. I find it hilarious when China-hating cultists unironically quote Sun Tzu.

[zealo]

Freedom of speech as it relates to the first amendment is more about whether the government can take action against you for speech, not whether non-government entities should be forced to continue offering their association to parties they have fundamental disagreements with.

Last I checked, Amazon, Google, Apple, Twitter et al isn't the US government, they're not obligated to offer a megaphone to everyone and their dog.

That said, I'm sceptical to whether dodging a ban on social media by simply creating a new account would constitute a crime, as you're not strictly hacking into someone else's account or the back-end of the systems, which are things you can be prosecuted for, but the platform holder is by no means obligated to continue offering their services to people getting suspensions and bans, or having their website taken off the hosting service.

[draynay]

In 2021 if you aren't on social media your words will go nowhere. Your ideas may as well not exist.

And this has what to do with the Constitution?

[Edge-]

In 2021 if you aren't on social media your words will go nowhere. Your ideas may as well not exist.

This is patently false on so many levels. Just because your reality is dictated by social media doesn't mean it is for the rest of us.

[Endus]

AH, so now we're getting in the territory of if these corporations are maybe too big? Well, that's a whole other discussion. As far as i know, there is no appendix to the 1st amendment like "unless they're a big tech companies dominating the market".

Sounds like an addition someone can add? But until, it's their right to boot facists.

This is where we circle around to right-wingers' real complaint, which is about capitalism. Which, y'know, as a market socialist myself, I get. But when you point this out to them, they get super upset with you.

So I'm just gonna point it out again; if you've got a problem with these tech companies being too big and having too much sway, your issue isn't with freedom of speech. Your issue is with capitalism as an economic system.

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In 2021 if you aren't on social media your words will go nowhere. Your ideas may as well not exist.

Speaking as someone with little to no social media presence professionally (I'm old enough that I prefer being a private individual), who's nevertheless written and published work that's been read internationally, you really don't have any clue what you're talking about, dude.

[Edge-]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/11/capi...ges-in-dc.html

DC AG looking into riot incitement charges against Donnie JR, Giuliani, and Mo Brooks.

[Pannonian]

This is where we circle around to right-wingers' real complaint, which is about capitalism. Which, y'know, as a market socialist myself, I get. But when you point this out to them, they get super upset with you.

So I'm just gonna point it out again; if you've got a problem with these tech companies being too big and having too much sway, your issue isn't with freedom of speech. Your issue is with capitalism as an economic system.

That's why i'm having soooooo much fun laughing at people that have given corporations rights to no end and have always been against any kind of regulation suddenly facing the pointy end of the stick.

Karma overload!

[eschatological]

In 2021 if you aren't on social media your words will go nowhere. Your ideas may as well not exist.

There are 68 million U.S. Twitter users. This includes fake accounts, bots, corporate handles, etc.

That's less than a quarter of the U.S. population.

You're wrong, and you know you're wrong, which makes you a disingenuous liar.

[Edge-]

https://bangordailynews.com/2021/01/...d-the-capitol/

Shitheel Susan Collins on the events of Wednesday -

My first thought was that the Iranians had followed through on their threat to strike the Capitol, but a police officer took over the podium and explained that violent demonstrators had breached the entire perimeter of the Capitol and were inside.

She thought Y'all Qeda was the Iranians. Trying to accept that members of your own party came to try to kill you must be hard.

[Machismo]

In 2021 if you aren't on social media your words will go nowhere. Your ideas may as well not exist.

Start your own website... it's dirt cheap.

[PhaelixWW]

https://bangordailynews.com/2021/01/...d-the-capitol/

Shitheel Susan Collins on the events of Wednesday -

She thought Y'all Qeda was the Iranians. Trying to accept that members of your own party came to try to kill you must be hard.

Somewhere the Iranian leadership is high-fiving each other.

[wunksta]

National veterans groups plan to purge members found guilty in Capitol attack

https://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&ct=clnk&gl=us

Actions have consequences.

[docterfreeze]

There are 68 million U.S. Twitter users. This includes fake accounts, bots, corporate handles, etc.

That's less than a quarter of the U.S. population.

You're wrong, and you know you're wrong, which makes you a disingenuous liar.

Because what's posted on twitter, stays on twitter. Right?

Hasanabi is now friends with a member of congress solely because of his popular leftist live stream on twitch after just two years. How many books do you think he'd have to write to reach the same result?

Countless political personalities from all sides of the spectrum have gone from being a nobody to being a celebrity from streams, videos, and posts in the last five years. This greatly outpaces writing books and appearing on tv shows.

[Machismo]

Because what's posted on twitter, stays on twitter. Right?

Hasanabi is now friends with a member of congress solely because of his popular leftist live stream on twitch after just two years. How many books do you think he'd have to write to reach the same result?

Countless political personalities from all sides of the spectrum have gone from being a nobody to being an celebrity from streams, videos, and posts in the last five years. This greatly outpaces writing books and appearing on tv shows.

Great, then you cn do the same, just start your own website.

If you want to host Nazis, then do so. But, don't force others to do the same.

[wunksta]

Can we take the freedom of speech stuff to the Deplatform thread?

"Armed protests are being planned at all 50 state capitols from 16 January through at least 20 January, and at the US Capitol from 17 January through 20 January," the bulletin reportedly states.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...box=1610386368

[Rasulis]

Hallmark Cards is asking U.S. Sens. Josh Hawley and Roger Marshall to return employee donations following last week’s riot in Washington, D.C.

This is too funny.

[Veggie50]

Not at all... social ostracization works... just look at Parler right now. It wasn't killed, forced out of the country, or incarcerated. People simply opted to not do business with them, and Parler went to shit in a day.

I can choose where I spend my money, and starve them out.

I can choose with whom I associate, and not allow them in my inner circle. My mother will never live to see her grandchildren in person again. That is a choice I have made, due to her beliefs.

None of this requires an ounce of force, merely some discipline. I'm not beating anything, I'm calling Nazi out for what they are, and not letting them try and lie about the last 5 years.

Or, should we not teach that Nazis are bad?

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Why does Fox News have capitalism so fucking much?

There is a large difference between ostracizing a company (which certainly can be "killed") and cutting off all ways of retreat for human beings. Of course you can choose who to have in your life, but in this case the other side influences your life simply by existing. Even (especially) an ostracized individual can push for some weird ass politics.

[Edge-]

Because what's posted on twitter, stays on twitter. Right?

Nationalize MMO-C and force it to keep all posts. What's posted on MMO-C stays on MMO-C, right?

Hasanabi is now friends with a member of congress solely because of his popular leftist live stream on twitch after just two years. How many books do you think he'd have to write to reach the same result?

Is that the livestream guy who dunks on conservatives? So he became friends with a member of Congress through Twitter. Does that mean if I befriend a member of Congress at a local bar the local bar now has to be treated like you want Twitter to be treated?

Countless political personalities from all sides of the spectrum have gone from being a nobody to being an celebrity from streams, videos, and posts in the last five years. This greatly outpaces writing books and appearing on tv shows.

Yes and? What does that have to do with the Constitution?