Factional "Never say never" is borderline insulting at this point.

[GringoD]

And by ''so much'' you mean in the final 2 missions out of 40.

Warcraft III on, so since then. And it's at least 5, thank you very much!

[Temp name]

Banding together how exactly. I don't recall seeing Alliance player characters in my Horde cinematic. Just because we're not actively killing each other doesn't mean we're ''banding together''.

Siege of Orgrimmar is the alliance and horde "rebels" laying Siege to Orgrimmar. Like, the entirety of patch 5.3 was about the two factions working together to fuck over Garrosh before the siege happened.

Not sure about the BfA one, since I wasn't playing, but likely something similar

[Kelduril]

Nobody claimed otherwise.

I wonder how these threads always attract some roleplaying idiots denying reality.

You can't even keep track of the argument lmao.

Alliance population massively disagrees with claims that the current system is doing just fine.

Here, I'll do it for you, S L O W L Y.

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Warcraft III on, so since then. And it's at least 5, thank you very much!

Oh yeah? List them.

[Mysterymask]

Remind me of any MMORPG that got a proper finale. They either endlessly keep pushing out expansions like Everquest, or get shut down midway through one, like City of Heroes.

Could do the silly answer and say Star Wars Galaxies had Return of the Jedi and the Matrix Online had Matrix Revolution but...

[Kelduril]

Siege of Orgrimmar is the alliance and horde "rebels" laying Siege to Orgrimmar. Like, the entirety of patch 5.3 was about the two factions working together to fuck over Garrosh before the siege happened.

Not sure about the BfA one, since I wasn't playing, but likely something similar

Yes, the Alliance and the Horde Players are ''working'' together when they raid Nathria too.

From a distance. In separate raids.

They're not holding hands and doing the bosses together.

Because you know, why would a Zandalari troll make an effort to keep the dude who killed Rastakhan alive?

[rrayy]

It's going to happen eventually. It will have to. It doesn't make sense to split the playerbase anymore. My only hope is that it will happen sooner rather than later.

IT's nto going to happen. They may make it so you can queue cross faction, but they are not going to re-write a 15 year old game to eliminate factions.

[huth]

IT's nto going to happen. They may make it so you can queue cross faction, but they are not going to re-write a 15 year old game to eliminate factions.

And nobody is asking them to. Cross-faction grouping is really all that's being requested.

[rrayy]

And nobody is asking them to. Cross-faction grouping is really all that's being requested.

People are outright asking for factions to be removed. So, no cross faction grouping is not all being asked for.

[huth]

People are outright asking for factions to be removed. So, no cross faction grouping is not all being asked for.

No, they aren't. They're asking for the faction barrier to be removed, not for the factions themselves.

Not that they'd actually need to rewrite all that much. The seeds have been there since WC3.

[rrayy]

No, they aren't. They're asking for the faction barrier to be removed, not for the factions themselves.

Not that they'd actually need to rewrite all that much. The seeds have been there since WC3.

There are plenty of people asking for the removal of factions. YOu can go back in any thread talking about this and you will find at leat one post asking for factions to be completely removed.

[huth]

There are plenty of people asking for the removal of factions. YOu can go back in any thread talking about this and you will find at leat one post asking for factions to be completely removed.

And yet you accuse everybody of it and even started your tirade with a post that didn't ask for that at all. No, the vast majority isn't asking for it, and you actually have to go search to find people doing so, with most just using "faction removal" to mean "faction barrier removal", not actually asking for Horde and Alliance as entities to be dissolved. This is strictly about gameplay, not lore.

[Martymark]

It's like you guys don't want to be working for World Hero Sylvanas in 9.2...

[LemonDemonGirl]

Because you know, why would a Zandalari troll make an effort to keep the dude who killed Rastakhan alive?

Exactly. I just can't see a troll being Alliance either. So even if the Factions were.. well.. 'lessened' it still be very weird

[Myradin]

I don't think it's ever going to be something that happens. Or if it is, it's going to be very limited. Or maybe when Blizzard announces that WoW's dev team is going to be cut, à la Starcraft 2 and Heroes of the Storm. And merge the factions to reduce the amount of work it takes to make separate quests for both factions.

The Alliance and Horde split is one of the core identities of World of Warcraft. While there have certainly been moments where banding together makes sense, like with the Burning Legion banging Azeroth, there have also been lore explanations where being separate factions is more desirable.

Anyone remember this from Mists of Pandaria? (relevant part starts at 1:30)

He's just a waiter!

Also its a really dumb claim, especially now that the horde is wipining out entire cities and has also lost most its stronger characters.

The horde v alliance story has left more lasting damage to azeroth than any villain save death wing. There is no way they are stronger because eachother. This isn't like there's decades/centuries of peace for people to get soft and weak and corrupt. There's a world ending threat every 2 years and if there isn't one the horde and alliance have to exhaust eachother's forces.

[Triceron]

Funny you should say that because both Classic and Retail stop you from grouping with the enemy faction.

For how long in retail? Ion already said never say never. They are open to removing rhe restriction.

I'm not the one resisting against that information amd pretending it won't ever happen :/

[Kelduril]

For how long in retail? Ion already said never say never. They are open to removing rhe restriction.

I'm not the one resisting against that information amd pretending it won't ever happen :/

The equivalent of ''soon''.

You can't even mythic raid cross realm, and you think they'll let you do it cross faction? They'd need to allow cross realm Mythic first, which is going to revolutionise the way guild recruitment works and cost them a lot of money since people won't server transfer anymore.

[Triceron]

The equivalent of ''soon''.

You can't even mythic raid cross realm, and you think they'll let you do it cross faction? They'd need to allow cross realm Mythic first, which is going to revolutionise the way guild recruitment works and cost them a lot of money since people won't server transfer anymore.

Not necessarily. They could simply allow cross faction to work outside of mythic.

LFR uses a group finder tool, Mythic does not. Different audience, different systems. Look at how cross faction PVP was available for BGs but not rated arenas. Simple and elegant.

Removing restrictions does not mean going full retard. Do what makes sense, don't just fix what isn't broken. If it takes longer for Mythic to be addressed then so be it, majority of people doing mythic can wait since they don't have cross realm raiding accessability anyways and are used to such limits.

LFR audience doesn't care who they group with and willingly let the game decide and organize the group. Cross faction would work here.

Normal modes are populated by guilds of all types and people who simply want to play with friends with little hassle or stress. Cross faction would work here.

Mythic raiding requires experienced players with dedication, and if this calls for faction changes then that is what players will do. They benefit the least from cross faction since they tend to already be self-organized.

[Kelduril]

Not necessarily. They could simply allow cross faction to work outside of mythic.

LFR uses a group finder tool, Mythic does not. Different audience, different systems. Look at how cross faction PVP was available for BGs but not rated arenas. Simple and elegant.

Removing restrictions does not mean going full retard. Do what makes sense, don't just fix what isn't broken. If it takes longer for Mythic to be addressed then so be it, majority of people doing mythic can wait since they don't have cross realm raiding accessability anyways and are used to such limits.

LFR audience doesn't care who they group with and willingly let the game decide and organize the group. Cross faction would work here.

Normal modes are populated by guilds of all types and people who simply want to play with friends with little hassle or stress. Cross faction would work here.

Mythic raiding requires experienced players with dedication, and if this calls for faction changes then that is what players will do. They benefit the least from cross faction since they tend to already be self-organized.

But it's mythic raiding/M+ where Alliance is lacking.

If they opened it for normal and heroic it wouldn't help with what the people asking for cross faction are complaining about.

[Temp name]

Yes, the Alliance and the Horde Players are ''working'' together when they raid Nathria too.

From a distance. In separate raids.

They're not holding hands and doing the bosses together.

Because you know, why would a Zandalari troll make an effort to keep the dude who killed Rastakhan alive?

Except in Siege of Orgrimmar, we see both factions in the raid at the same time, with lore figures from both leading charges, unlike in Nathria where in-game we only see Venthyr people and our own raid

[Triceron]

But it's mythic raiding/M+ where Alliance is lacking.

If they opened it for normal and heroic it wouldn't help with what the people asking for cross faction are complaining about.

Then it's possible to open up factions while still limiting the cross-realm restrictions. Sure, it's still a smaller pool to draw from, but cross realm doesn't seem to be the core issue with Mythic.

Does cross faction hinge on Cross realm working? I figured they are two separate things here.