It's disappointing to see how out of touch Ion is with the player base. I was still hoping for a proper legacy buff soon, but now I've lost that hope.
It's disappointing to see how out of touch Ion is with the player base. I was still hoping for a proper legacy buff soon, but now I've lost that hope.
So many people throw tantrums when they learn they might need to cooperate with other players in an MMO lol
The fnny thing is how he made out that principle just now, is easy to just give a lame ass excuse than deal with the problem
i honestly can't believe that it was easy to do legion raids in BfA than in shadowlands, and they are literally making things worse so you spend more time in the game
by the end of shadowlands hum? so by the end i come back
It's not an excuse. It's been like this ever single TBC. Most of the playerbase can't solo an expansion past worth of content and if they do it's by no means "easy". That doesn't come until two expansions later.
Except you weren't doing Legion raids easily by the end of BFA. You were still struggling and the only reason you were able to do it "easily" was in 8.3 when you had corruptions that were so overpowered it was essentially having another expansions worth of power in terms of legacy content. Remove corruptions and drop your stats down to the usual levels and you wouldn't be easily doing them. You'd be struggling/able to do some just like always.
If that's how you want to perceive easy then fine. You should be asking at this point for corruptions to return then so you can get back to that power level to do them easily. Or wait until 9.X when we get back there in terms of power.
They really should just work on integrating legacy raids into the LFG leveling system. It's the most straightforward way of keeping the content somewhat relevant and not just tossing it to the soloing trash heap where these things happen. For me, leveling through legacy dungeons also doubles as a nice way of getting a chance to collect any appearances or other collectibles I might not have (which BC dungeons are a goldmine for). They basically did the same thing by adding BFA island expeditions as a leveling option, which has a ton of collectibles up for farming. The same principle can easily apply for old raids.
You were able to solo everything since the first item squish when you were 11 level above the content because of the extra damage boost. You were able to solo all of MoP when legion were current but not WoD. You were able to solo WoD when BfA was current but not Legion. Now you can't still solo all Legion content. They broke the rule, simple as that.It's not an excuse. It's been like this ever single TBC. Most of the playerbase can't solo an expansion past worth of content and if they do it's by no means "easy". That doesn't come until two expansions later.
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who the fuck is talking about an expansion parth?
do you think we are asking to do BfA raids easily? we are asking to do LEGION content easily, since it should be possible to do now, since is 2 expansions past, but they are telling us to wait until the final of THIS expansion, because they NOW have a principle, lmao
Is this another version of "you think you do but you don't"?Except you weren't doing Legion raids easily by the end of BFA. you were still struggling
You didn't do easy you strugled, i know your game better than yourselfso i did or i didn't? you are giving me mix feelings, and even if it was because corruption we are talking about ONE expansion past, im talking about TWO expansions pastsand the only reason you were able to do it "easily" was in 8.3 when you had corruptions that were so overpowered it was essentially having another expansions worth of power in terms of legacy content.
Again, im not asking to solo BFA raids, AKA one expansion past" easily, im asking to do TWO expansions past content easy, that should already be possible by now, waow that was some white knight defending blizzard next lv.Remove corruptions and drop your stats down to the usual levels and you wouldn't be easily doing them. You'd be struggling/able to do some just like always.
If that's how you want to perceive easy then fine. You should be asking at this point for corruptions to return then so you can get back to that power level to do them easily. Or wait until 9.X when we get back there in terms of power.
You do realize 2 expansions past content is only The Emerald Nightmare / Trial of Valor? The rest still isn't technically 2 expansions past. The Emerald Nightmare I had no issues solo'ing so not sure what that complaint is. Again 2 expansions past means at the end of the current expansion you should be able to solo everything from 2+ expansions past. That has always been the case. Throughout this current expansion you will have some people who can solo various Legion raids but it will be by no means "easy" like it will until the end.
Even if you use the Legacy raid buff that has never been activated for a few expansions in the past until the next one is released (ie next expansion pre-launch then Legion would fold into it)
No, it's another version of common sense. People were doing Legion raids to some extent, but not all were easily soloable. Mythic KJ is one and Antorous a lot struggled solo'ing. This was in patch 8.2. In patch 8.3 things were still hard to do at first but then once we were swimming in corruptions it became easier for some because you were were an entire expansions worth of power boosts in corruptions alone.
Nice misquote and adding in words that was never said. Read the above quote that talks about corruptions and my previous and it'll make sense to you.
It might be hard for you to read, but if you read what I wrote I mentioned Legion a lot not solo'ing BFA content. It's not "white knight", but believe if you want. The way solo'ing 2+ expansions has worked has always been the same. Nothing has changed and people are just wanting it "now" because "Shadowlands is 2 expansions past Legion so that means I should be able to do it now!!!!!!! Though this has never been the case. Give me what I want" is the attitude most are giving off in some form.
I remember soloing Kael in Tempest Keep, took like 30-45 min on my hunter, I think in Cata? Back then you had to los the boss most of the time and let your pet damage him, since he mind controlled you if you were in los. Even if you were solo, you'd get mcd.
So I think it's fine you can't really solo Antorus easily. Though Eonar on mythic, still undoable? Or did they change that mechanic?
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There's no estimates here, they have detailed statistics of what every player does and has done. You're a minority.
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lmao, "technically" come on now, stop defending their dumb decision, is damn old ass content from 2 expansions ago, it should be easy and/or at least solable by now, like we did before, simple as that
it was nto like this before, why it is just now?Again 2 expansions past means at the end of the current expansion you should be able to solo everything from 2+ expansions past.
not for me at least the beginning of mop already let me farm ICC for the invincible easily, explain that to me.That has always been the case.
and im not asking to do BfA content in legion, neither im asking to do Legion content in BFA, im asking to solo two expansions past, who should not be hard, no amtter how hard you try to defend thatNo, it's another version of common sense. People were doing Legion raids to some extent, but not all were easily soloable.
and thats fine because it was just one expansion old, since its two already, it should be easy, period.Mythic KJ is one and Antorous a lot struggled solo'ing. This was in patch 8.2.
you literally said to me what i was doing, you think you now my game better than meNice misquote and adding in words that was never said.
it might be hard for you to read with all the whiteknighting blizzard thingIt might be hard for you to read, but if you read what I wrote I mentioned Legion a lot not solo'ing BFA content. It's not "white knight", but believe if you want.
but we are not talking about soloing bfa content in legion, or soloing legion content in BfA
we are talking about soloing two expansions old content, like it was possible to do before
I could do ICC by the start of MOP and even attempt cataclysm raidsThe way solo'ing 2+ expansions has worked has always been the same. Nothing has changed and people are just wanting it "now" because "Shadowlands is 2 expansions past Legion so that means I should be able to do it now!!!!!!! Though this has never been the case. Give me what I want" is the attitude most are giving off in some form.
In the start of WOD i could easily do cataclysm and even MOP raids
In Legion i could easily do MOP and even WoD raids
In BfA i could easily do WOD and even attempt some Legion raids.
now we can't do Legion raids and of course we can't attempt to do BfA
and you are telling me nothing has changed and people are just crying
come on now
Funny thing is, this is from an interview on the topic from 2019:
Originally Posted by Michael Bybee
I remember this was the same goal with the pre-wod squish as well. 2014 dev attitude:
And then the whole legacy loot mode thingy in bfa (for legion) that was first reasoned and decided against then enabled, dancing around the "what's old content?" question. Ehh.Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
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There's no rational excuse for Legion content not to receive a Legacy damage buff. The scaling is clearly broken and their refusal to address it properly is ridiculous and unacceptable. They either deliberately want to prohibit us from soloing old content until the end of Shadowlands (engagement metrics perhaps?) or they are too lazy to fix the scaling that they've broken.
the people claiming ION isn't outright lying are either apologists or ill-informed. the clearest evidence is that 10 levels and and 100 ilvls and mythic legion is still harder than it was at 50 pre-squish. either it was intentional when tuning to artificially inflate amount of content for players compared to what they already had and would otherwise be given or just a happy coincidence on their part either way the end of the expansion line like many others "you don't know what's best for you, we do" is complete bullshit.
And who is "at fault" for that? Who is "responsible" for that? The players? Why punish the players for it? Not to mention how it is irrelevant because they said "If you could solo before the squish, you should be able to solo after the squish as well." They used to take this seriously.
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Draw up semantics and shitty arguments all you like, you have to admit (surely...) that it is a bad feeling to go from being able to clear old content at 120 to being unable to do it at 60 after yet another squish. Even if corruption is or were a huge outlier, going down in actual power after ostensibly "gaining" power is not something that is desirable given common sense and human psychology. I still remember being dissapointed in Legion prepatch that old MoP raids had become harder and more importantly buggier than they were late WoD.
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Yep, he outright lied about the squish, and people are leaving in droves over it. This expansion has the fastest drop since WOD...it's actually losing players quicker than WOD did. No, soloing old raids isn't the only reason people are leaving, there are a lot of others, but it's a big one.