Do greedy millionaires and billionaires...

[Draco-Onis]

not to mention that they can max all the investiment vehicles that bring down their taxable income, while normal workers never can afford to come close to the limits.

its also strange you can't fully deduct losses on gambling on the lottery, but you can do it for gambling on stocks.

That's not even going into tax shelters using shell companies to muddy the waters even more, the Panama papers spelled it out plainly people are worth a lot more than they claim in order to avoid taxes. That's why the journalist who broke the story got into an accident and by accident they put a bomb under his car and the culprits were never found.

[JohnBrown1917]

Then I have a simple question for you. Which is more important? "Fairness" for billionaires, or the well being of the 99.999% percent of the rest of us?

I can answer that, for him its the billionaires. Pretty much goes for anybody on this forum who is far right on the economic scale.

[kamuimac]

Do greedy millionaires and billionaires hide behind the middle class for the same reasons terrorist hide behind innocent civilians the only difference is paying politicians to make it legal?

I seen a snippet on Yahoo Kylie Jenner set up a Gofundme for one of her employees and it made me wonder.

Elon Musk being a pretty good example now too.

what is more real is that milionaires dont think about you and society at all.

they are busy living their lives and dont worry about communists thinking how to steal their possesions - they have enough laws to pretect themselves in western societies. and if any society becomes to unfriendly they have no problem to just move to another country because they are well educated and nothing is stopping them form moving.

most of multi milionaires could likely just close and sell their business and do nothing till end of their lives - same with their kids. maaaybe their grandkids woudl have to go back to work as long as they dont spend money on trivial things .

most of them work because they do somethign satisfying for them . not because they have to.

and thats main difference between them and poor people - they are satisfied with their lives and with work they do.

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I just looked up the Kylie Jenner story... she's worth 900 million and bought her baby a 15k bag....and set up a gofundme for emergency brain surgery for her own employee...why doesn't her employee have words class healthcare from miss 900mn?and she donated 5k out of the 60k goal apparently .

thats called being smart with your money . nothing wrong about it.

rich people usually dont spend much money on pointless things . unless you mean nouvoriches who get off from buying expensive things just to show off to people who dont care about them at all

[Draco-Onis]

what is more real is that milionaires dont think about you and society at all.

they are busy living their lives and dont worry about communists thinking how to steal their possesions - they have enough laws to pretect themselves in western societies. and if any society becomes to unfriendly they have no problem to just move to another country because they are well educated and nothing is stopping them form moving.

most of multi milionaires could likely just close and sell their business and do nothing till end of their lives - same with their kids. maaaybe their grandkids woudl have to go back to work as long as they dont spend money on trivial things .

most of them work because they do somethign satisfying for them . not because they have to.

and thats main difference between them and poor people - they are satisfied with their lives and with work they do.

Do you not know anyone who is rich or are you plain delusional? In the absence of material things they end up with other issues I have rarely met a rich person who wasn't miserable. The trust fund babies are the worst especially if their parents spoiled them, older generations tend to be more balanced.

You seem to think rich people are not people, of course they care about society evidenced by the large number of them who run for office and donate to politics. Let us know when you join this reality.

[Gaidax]

They are just doing whatever every other Joe and Jane does with their social media - try to appear better than they really are. Joe and Jane can do it by linking popular woke shit, while your typical billionaire or politician has a bunch of advisors that make grand gestures aimed at improving public image.

You can bet said moneybags have no fucking clue about doing half of the things they do. They just let their useful helper gnomes on payroll handle it.

Nothing strange there, we all do it one way or another. Many of us don't give a fuck in reality, but still want to show how much of nice fellas' they are by faking interest.

[Shadowferal]

they are busy living their lives and dont worry about communists thinking how to steal their possesions - they have enough laws to pretect themselves in western societies.

You mean enough bought and paid for congressmen.

[JohnBrown1917]

Nothing strange there, we all do it one way or another. Many of us don't give a fuck in reality, but still want to show how much of nice fellas' they are by faking interest.

And when rich people do it, they fuck over millions, when your average joe does it nobody is affected.

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thats called being smart with your money . nothing wrong about it.

rich people usually dont spend much money on pointless things . unless you mean nouvoriches who get off from buying expensive things just to show off to people who dont care about them at all

Nothing wrong with being "smart" with money if you're an unfeeling psychopath, sure.

[Themius]

what is more real is that milionaires dont think about you and society at all.

they are busy living their lives and dont worry about communists thinking how to steal their possesions - they have enough laws to pretect themselves in western societies. and if any society becomes to unfriendly they have no problem to just move to another country because they are well educated and nothing is stopping them form moving.

most of multi milionaires could likely just close and sell their business and do nothing till end of their lives - same with their kids. maaaybe their grandkids woudl have to go back to work as long as they dont spend money on trivial things .

most of them work because they do somethign satisfying for them . not because they have to.

and thats main difference between them and poor people - they are satisfied with their lives and with work they do.

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thats called being smart with your money . nothing wrong about it.

rich people usually dont spend much money on pointless things . unless you mean nouvoriches who get off from buying expensive things just to show off to people who dont care about them at all

Brain surgery pointless.... 15k handbag...

[PC2]

Then I have a simple question for you. Which is more important? "Fairness" for billionaires, or the well being of the 99.999% percent of the rest of us?

Both are easily attainable so why is it either or? Billionaires aren't the cause of poor people's problems so even if they disappeared nothing would magically improve for poor people.

[Draco-Onis]

Both are easily attainable so why is it either or? Billionaires aren't the cause of poor people's problems so even if they disappeared nothing would magically improve for poor people.

But they are by not paying their fair share. We are a society their tax evasion is money that could go into lifting people out of poverty or building infrastructure etc.

[PC2]

But they are by not paying their fair share.

Source?

We are a society their tax evasion is

Report them to the tax agency and law enforcement if they are breaking the law.

money that could go into lifting people out of poverty or building infrastructure etc.

A small amount of rich people already contribute a majority of the resources that pay for public services. Just because you could use more of other people's stuff that does not mean it's a good idea for the rest of society to forcibly take it without their consent.

[Shadowferal]

Source?

Why waste time? Just say it's wrong. You never believe anything that doesn't slavishly idolize wealth, regardless the source, facts or the truth.

[PC2]

Why waste time? Just say it's wrong. You never believe anything that doesn't slavishly idolize wealth, regardless the source, facts or the truth.

You should direct your arguments at claims and ideas that relate to the topic and not at people.

Wealth is certainly not the most important thing in life but it is a good thing to have and a force for good in the world. We can always create more new wealth for more people so there's no need to treat it like a zero sum game where you can only get more wealth by taking it from other people.

[arandomuser]

most millionaires and billionaires are democrats and support progressive taxation and social programs
the 'working class" votes against those because they hate rich people on social issues like lgbtq and abortion, not economics.

[Zan15]

Source?

Report them to the tax agency and law enforcement if they are breaking the law.


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The IRS and they have already both been reported and the IRS admits the majority of them are underpaying.

A small amount of rich people already contribute a majority of the resources that pay for public services. Just because you could use more of other people's stuff that does not mean it's a good idea for the rest of society to forcibly take it without their consent.

i already posted the data that shows this is untrue.

the middle class pays more than the rich in total.

Rich paid about 41%
Middle class paid 52.
Poor paid 7%

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Source?

Report them to the tax agency and law enforcement if they are breaking the law.

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Hell look they reported trump how many times and look at the effort and amount of $ spent so far going after him.

Can the middle class put up that kind of defense when they come looking?> You think the supreme court is going to hear arguments about your taxes?

You think you can declare your residence as a full tax write off because you donated land that you really didn't donate, you just promised to not develop on it?

lol, i could not even get a simple assessment adjustment when they reported i had an extra bathroom on my property tax review.

[Ivanstone]

Report them to the tax agency and law enforcement if they are breaking the law.

The IRS is underfunded and lack the resources to go after big time evaders. This is because the wealthy buy politicians to simultaneously reduce their taxes and also reduce funding to agencies that are able to investigate their criminal behaviour.

[JohnBrown1917]

most millionaires and billionaires are democrats and support progressive taxation and social programs
the 'working class" votes against those because they hate rich people on social issues like lgbtq and abortion, not economics.

A lot of people in the working class don't even vote in the US.





Oh, and the GoP is more popular with the rich than the poor, without even including those who don't vote.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...tes-income-us/

[Shadowferal]

most millionaires and billionaires are democrats and support progressive taxation and social programs the 'working class" votes against those because they hate rich people on social issues like lgbtq and abortion, not economics.

Your beliefs and fantasies are adorable.
But reality in the US is a bit different.

[Felya]

most millionaires and billionaires are democrats and support progressive taxation and social programs
the 'working class" votes against those because they hate rich people on social issues like lgbtq and abortion, not economics.

Then why do they only cut taxes for the rich? Trump’s 1776 commission, literally included Cultural Marxism, as a real thing, not an antisemetic fascist conspiracy theory. This is so backwards...

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Your beliefs and fantasies are adorable.
But reality in the US is a bit different.

Yeah, that’s a dirt back left talking point... if we just concede social issues, then the trickle down will finally help the working class. It’s those pesky minorities getting in the way, siphoning all of the pissy dribble.

Edit: If it weren’t for those pesky social issues, as many republicans would have voted for the stimulus, as those who took credit once it passed.

[Zan15]

A lot of people in the working class don't even vote in the US.

Oh, and the GoP is more popular with the rich than the poor, without even including those who don't vote.

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To be fair the highest earning income states are all almost hard core democrat so you get a lot of people who do not bother to vote because its a lock on the broken EC for that state.

Also exit polls are one of the worst things to go off.