Asian hate.. what's causing this outburst ?

[Felya]

Has anyone provided proof that this "asian hate" is actually some really big new phenomenon or trend or is it just a couple anecdotes the media happened to report on and now these few cases are on people's radars. So now all of a sudden this is some big issue?

Yes, as predicted a year ago...

But, here is a fun one... If the media is highlighting what was already happening, how is that not a problem? How could working towards lowering attacks on Asian people... even if there are too few for you to care about... be a problem? At worse it should be a shrug and move along...

Edit: I get indifference, I don’t get acting against it...

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Has anyone provided proof that this "asian hate" is actually some really big new phenomenon or trend or is it just a couple anecdotes the media happened to report on and now these few cases are on people's radars. So now all of a sudden this is some big issue? By selectively ignoring/reporting news stories that are vogue (racism against Asians or blacks or whatever) the media controls what people focus on and the narrative. "I didnt hear about thst before but now I am hearing about. This must be a new thing! Thanks Trump!"

Go read the 2018 and 19 fbi hate crime reports the number for asians doubled and with COVID it’s likely to jump again.

[Acidbaron]

Has anyone provided proof that this "asian hate" is actually some really big new phenomenon or trend or is it just a couple anecdotes the media happened to report on and now these few cases are on people's radars. So now all of a sudden this is some big issue? By selectively ignoring/reporting news stories that are vogue (racism against Asians or blacks or whatever) the media controls what people focus on and the narrative. "I didnt hear about thst before but now I am hearing about. This must be a new thing! Thanks Trump!"

I believe there are institutes and agencies that keep track of the reports and incidents, hence there's a basis.

Not sure why you would question it, there's a lot of over the top social justice stuff to get irritated about however this is not one of those things. Acknowledging racism is completely fine, but asking kids to feel guilty about themselves because they are white is not okay either and rightfully meets a lot of resistance, trying to pin point where you stand here by listing that as an extreme.

Not exclusively caused by Trump but he did create an atmosphere where outing such sentiments was considered "okay", this spans back to his first campaign days and is reinforced by how certain movements declared him their champion, but this has been going for a long time and racism is often brushed under the rug or simply shrugged of as bias against stereotypes what in itself is racism.

[hplaner]

Because by the own words of the haters, they are directing it at the mainland Chinese.....but they are targeting American Chinese instead.

Again, I don't even think the mainland Chinese should be held responsible for the pandemic, just saying it's the justification given by those who discriminate against them.


The difference here is, black people do not support crime. The mainland Chinese do support genocide amongst other human rights abuses. It's definitely not the same argument.

Stop spewing nonsense here. Chinese people do not support genocide. What is happening in Xinjiang is not genocide. Have you ever seen a population growing tremendously after a genocide? No news of refugee happening? Unlike what is happening in Europe?
Do you even know what is actually happening in Xinjiang? Do you know that a few decades ago, its a very unsafe place filled with terrorists due to Muslim influence? The same that US combatted in the Middle East with wars.
What Chinese people support is modernizing the Xinjiang population so they can grow and support themselves.
Since the Chinese government intervened, the place has prospered tremendously

[Machismo]

Stop spewing nonsense here. Chinese people do not support genocide. What is happening in Xinjiang is not genocide. Have you ever seen a population growing tremendously after a genocide? No news of refugee happening? Unlike what is happening in Europe?
Do you even know what is actually happening in Xinjiang? Do you know that a few decades ago, its a very unsafe place filled with terrorists due to Muslim influence? The same that US combatted in the Middle East with wars.
What Chinese people support is modernizing the Xinjiang population so they can grow and support themselves.
Since the Chinese government intervened, the place has prospered tremendously

Umm, it kinda is...

If they are pushing ethnic cleansing, and trying to systematically eliminate an indigenous population... you have genocide.

(waves hand)

"These are not the concentration camps you're looking for"

[hplaner]

Umm, it kinda is...

If they are pushing ethnic cleansing, and trying to systematically eliminate an indigenous population... you have genocide.

(waves hand)

"These are not the concentration camps you're looking for"

but they aren't. They are free to perform their religion (you know there are more mosques in Xinjiang alone compared to all of western world?)
Xinjiang culture is widely demonstrated and performed in television drama, the yearly Chinese New Year ceremony, etc...
The changes happening is more considered as modernization. Its similar to trying to get the urban poor realizing how the world is in respective to living in a city

[Machismo]

but they aren't. They are free to perform their religion (you know there are more mosques in Xinjiang alone compared to all in the world?)
Xinjiang culture is widely demonstrated and performed in television drama, the yearly Chinese New Year ceremony, etc...
The changes happening is more considered as modernization. Its similar to trying to get the urban poor realizing how the world is in respective to living in a city

It's ethnic cleansing... stop pushing your bullshit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/19/u...-xinjiang.html

As for your claims about more mosques than all other countries combined... do you really expect people to buy that nonsense, either?

[hplaner]

It's ethnic cleansing... stop pushing your bullshit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/19/u...-xinjiang.html

As for your claims about more mosques than all other countries combined... do you really expect people to buy that nonsense, either?

There is no use pulling info out of western media. The western media is determined to be China-negative, so won't ever see anything good written.
You really need to also read the chinese' perspective as well. Just look at Youtube and Facebook censoring massively whenever something good is told.

Here is a vid showcasing what the fundamental reason behind the movement. You may disagree with the idea, but the end justifies the means (and in this case, mean also justifies the end).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiqC...b_channel=CGTN

and for mosque, my apologies I meant the western countries. China has more than 25k mosques alone in Xinjiang, how many does US have? Around 2k?

[Machismo]

There is no use pulling info out of western media. The western media is determined to be China-negative, so won't ever see anything good written.
You really need to also read the chinese' perspective as well. Just look at Youtube and Facebook censoring massively whenever something good is told.

Here is a vid showcasing what the fundamental reason behind the movement. You may disagree with the idea, but the end justifies the means (and in this case, mean also justifies the end).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiqC...b_channel=CGTN

It's funded by the Chinese government... North Korea pushes the same videos. Do you have anything that is not produced by the very same people committing the genocide?

Meanwhile, you made numerous claims, I want actual evidence for all of them... starting with your claim there's more mosques in that one province, than the entire rest of the world.

Good luck!!!


For the record, the Nazis also didn't think they were committing genocide when they were murdering the Jews.

[Afrospinach]

Lol what possible benefit would that give? None.

You should probably inform the guys that are not just ignorant idiots with opinions on the internet that they are wasting their time then. There is literally a state sponsored movement for this, recent example:

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...uence-campaign

This stuff is pretty well documented at this point from everything from elections, brexit to BLM, there is definitely an agenda to sow discord in the west. Really, you cannot fathom how Russia and China would want the west with whom they are becoming increasingly adversarial in recent years to be weakened?

[Slant]

Uhm, it's new york....quite common there..don't expect help if u get attacked there, even in broad day light with lots of people around, and never ever travel with the subway or walk alone.

Yeah, did all of that... I think I did NYC wrong. Went into the subway. On my own. Went through a side alley, on my own. Even said hello to a dog... which turned out to be a giant rat. Never jumpscared that much before or since. That thing could have bitten my hand off. And my arm would have rotted, too.

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Where’d you get that from? I’m pissed that the system let someone who murdered their mom roam free.

I get that. That's normal and doesn't require mentioning. I'm pissed that nobody helped.

[postman1782]

@postman1782 Here's another one that happened recently.

https://abc7ny.com/arrest-in-brutal-...urch/10461853/

Seeing as how you can't accept the idea that most Asian hate crimes are done by blacks I'm guessing you're in the "it's all Trump's fault and all his conservative followers" boat. Well where is your evidence on that? Because he said "China virus"? Well there is plenty video evidence showing the mainstream Trump hating media calling it the same thing so why couldn't it have come from them?

Ah yes, more anecdotal evidence. And mainstream media, hating on Trump, wouldn't have a rise of hate crimes on Asian-Americans. What the actual fuck did you smoke to come to that conclusion?

[hplaner]

It's funded by the Chinese government... North Korea pushes the same videos. Do you have anything that is not produced by the very same people committing the genocide?

Meanwhile, you made numerous claims, I want actual evidence for all of them... starting with your claim there's more mosques in that one province, than the entire rest of the world.

Good luck!!!


For the record, the Nazis also didn't think they were committing genocide when they were murdering the Jews.

There are plenty of youtubers and douyin (chinese tiktok) that showcases the beauty of Xinjiang and how its people are much happier now. However, western platform suppresses a lot and makes it very hard to find pro stuff. But you'll see these a lot on douyin, weibo and any of the Chinese social platforms.

If you're going to refute by saying these are CCP sponsored and all, well I can't change your mind. I would still hope you could at least try listening on the other side of the story.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRc...VEe_hxA/videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C83e...hannel=numuves
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH-0...DanielDumbrill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2kg...hannel=Barrett
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIKT...l=RealXinjiang

[Machismo]

There are plenty of youtubers and douyin (chinese tiktok) that showcases the beauty of Xinjiang and how its people are much happier now. However, western platform suppresses a lot and makes it very hard to find pro stuff. But you'll see these a lot on douyin, weibo and any of the Chinese social platforms.

If you're going to refute by saying these are CCP sponsored and all, well I can't change your mind. I would still hope you could at least try listening on the other side of the story.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRc...VEe_hxA/videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C83e...hannel=numuves
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH-0...DanielDumbrill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2kg...hannel=Barrett
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIKT...l=RealXinjiang

What about the videos of all the Uighers being led... against their will into the concentration camps?

I'm not going to believe the words of those committing genocide. The government of North Korea swears they don't mistreat their people, as well.

When Hitler did it, he also swore it was for the good of everyone.

When FDR put Japanese' Americans into concentration camps, he said the same bullshit.

"We're oppressing them for their own good!!!"

Nah, fuck that, you are one of the least-free countries on the planet, and the Uighers are getting the short end of one of the shittiest sticks on the planet.

https://rsf.org/en/ranking_table

Now, looking further, your own account is very, very suspicious. Not a single word from it in three years, and almost everything before you decided to chime in to speak the wonders of China and their oppressive government, was an account that was largely based on trying to win contests being pushed.

Your first thread was about a dog being shot... so clearly your concerns about abusive government have changed in that time. Or, there's maybe some other reason for the seeming tectonic shift in the posts on that account.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...5#post16363055



So, you supposedly went from an American, playing on US servers, trying to win contests... to a Chinese person living in China, defending genocide.

I believe Twitter banned tens of thousands of accounts for this exact reason. And yes, we notice that you are pushing Chinese government-approved social media, because other forms are actually banned there. On that note, I have a great deal of freedom to condemn my own government for the things it has done, and continues to do so. I oppose the actions of FDR when he opened up concentration camps. I despise the authoritarian tactics my government takes to incarcerate people, and their efforts to stymie immigration. I oppose their attempts to push colonialism, and their past efforts to unsettle democracies around the globe.

Now, your turn. Condemn your government for actions like Tiananman Square, or even more recently in Hong Kong. Heck, condemn them for their utter hatred of freedom of speech, the press, and their push to control almost every aspect of your lives. I'm free to openly criticize my government, how about you?

I dare you.

[hplaner]

What about the videos of all the Uighers being led... against their will into the concentration camps?

I'm not going to believe the words of those committing genocide. The government of North Korea swears they don't mistreat their people, as well.

When Hitler did it, he also swore it was for the good of everyone.

When FDR put Japanese' Americans into concentration camps, he said the same bullshit.

"We're oppressing them for their own good!!!"

Nah, fuck that, you are one of the least-free countries on the planet, and the Uighers are getting the short end of one of the shittiest sticks on the planet.

https://rsf.org/en/ranking_table

Now, looking further, your own account is very, very suspicious. Not a single word from it in three years, and almost everything before you decided to chime in to speak the wonders of China and their oppressive government, was an account that was largely based on trying to win contests being pushed.

Your first thread was about a dog being shot... so clearly your concerns about abusive government have changed in that time. Or, there's maybe some other reason for the seeming tectonic shift in the posts on that account.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...5#post16363055



So, you supposedly went from an American, playing on US servers, trying to win contests... to a Chinese person living in China, defending genocide.

I believe Twitter banned tens of thousands of accounts for this exact reason. And yes, we notice that you are pushing Chinese government-approved social media, because other forms are actually banned there. On that note, I have a great deal of freedom to condemn my own government for the things it has done, and continues to do so. I oppose the actions of FDR when he opened up concentration camps. I despise the authoritarian tactics my government takes to incarcerate people, and their efforts to stymie immigration. I oppose their attempts to push colonialism, and their past efforts to unsettle democracies around the globe.

Now, your turn. Condemn your government for actions like Tianman Square, or even more recently in Hong Kong. Heck, condemn them for their utter hatred of freedom of speech, the press, and their push to control almost every aspect of your lives.

I dare you.

Or I am just a long timer chinese american citizen whom have now been fed up by the constant hate that is being spewed by media, leading to all the recent Asian Hate crimes. Am I not allowed to provide my opinion? Again, you are putting words in my mouth, never did I support Genocide. Comparing the holocaust to this is a stretch. Lets simply agree that your definition of what a genocide and what is considered human rights differs from mine, and neither of us can say what is the right way to go about on another's country. But what I am simply stating is that you need to consider both side of the story, is that not reasonable to ask for?
Take Hong Kong for example. I support HK people's movement for greater democracy. But do I support their reckless riots blocking the airport for days, demolishing their own city? They can do better than that. Do you support what happened in the Capital Riot?

[Machismo]

Or I am just a long timer chinese american citizen whom have now been fed up by the constant hate that is being spewed by media, leading to all the recent Asian Hate crimes. Am I not allowed to provide my opinion? Again, you are putting words in my mouth, never did I support Genocide. Comparing the holocaust to this is a stretch. Lets simply agree that your definition of what a genocide and what is considered human rights differs from mine, and neither of us can say what is the right way to go about on another's country. But what I am simply stating is that you need to consider both side of the story, is that not reasonable to ask for?
Take Hong Kong for example. I support HK people's movement for greater democracy. But do I support their reckless riots blocking the airport for days, demolishing their own city? They can do better than that. Do you support what happened in the Capital Riot?

No, I do not support what happened in the Capitol riots, and I think Trump was a shitty authoritarian, and I made that clear while he was in office.

And yes, I did notice that you are completely unable/unwilling to criticize the Chinese government.

[Deus Mortis]

Has anyone provided proof that this "asian hate" is actually some really big new phenomenon or trend or is it just a couple anecdotes the media happened to report on and now these few cases are on people's radars. So now all of a sudden this is some big issue? By selectively ignoring/reporting news stories that are vogue (racism against Asians or blacks or whatever) the media controls what people focus on and the narrative. "I didnt hear about thst before but now I am hearing about. This must be a new thing! Thanks Trump!"

It is both, there has for sure been an increase in attacks, but at the same time the media is actually finally focusing on it. This stuff has been happening for over a decade now with the videos showing up on sites like liveleak and sites similar, but now some of the videos are actually getting picked up and made into news articles.

[hplaner]

No, I do not support what happened in the Capitol riots, and I think Trump was a shitty authoritarian, and I made that clear while he was in office.

And yes, I did notice that you are completely unable/unwilling to criticize the Chinese government.

not sure where you get that idea. I do not agree with CCP's handling on many things, like how they are handling with intellectual theft, censorship on media (i.e. movies cannot contain reincarnation, games cannot show bones), their pressure on HK, their handling on the southern seas. But I am also reasonable to listen to their reasonings even if I don't agree. Same as I am critical of the US's handling on COVID response under Trump, of anti-maskers, migrant crisis at the border, treatment against Huawei, progression (if any) on mass murder, etc.

[Zelk]

For the record, the Nazis also didn't think they were committing genocide when they were murdering the Jews.

Yes they absolutely did, to say otherwise is outright holocaust denial.

[Specialka]

Yes they absolutely did, to say otherwise is outright holocaust denial.

That is not what it is said in the quote.