By that logic, pay to win doesn't exist. Because there are no games that let you pay money to completely win the game. And that's ACTUALLY asinine.
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I have clearly explained why it's an advantage at least three times. Go back and actually read my posts instead of skimming.
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You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."
Most definitely.Is WoW Pay 2 Win?
No, you have not. You have asserted it to be one without giving any actual evidence.
You do realise that actual P2W games let you use real money to buy things that aren't available otherwise? That's what P2W is. A P2W character is literally stronger than a regular one could possibly be.
"El Psy Kongroo!" Hearthstone Moderator
How is it that you are a moderator but don't know how forums work? This is a discussion for everyone involved and not a private message between you and another poster. Lmao. I didn't ignore anything you said because I specifically responded to it. You not liking my responses is not the same as ignoring. Holy crap. Speeding up a rotation, talents, etc all change how you play. So if you are missing stuff you are not learning your end-game rotation and toolkit which is the only class skills that is relevant.
You learn the core rotation even with a character boost if it is the same. Lol. It does defeat your point because you are not missing out on learning anything. You are the only one that keeps trying to shame others because you are the one the keep trying to claim others are being dishonest, dismissive, or any other argument directed at posters rather then their actual argument.
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."
Other pay to win games like Black Desert Online offer items in their shop that give things like experience boosts while leveling. How is that ANY different than spending $60 to skip FIFTY LEVELS. I'd say that in that regard, WoW is much more guilty of pay to win than other games.
I've posted facts about how it's an advantage. You have used your opinion to try and disprove those facts. You say it's not an advantage because it doesn't give you gold or profession levels. That is literally irrelevant. You are still paying to get player power. Adding more stipulations is nothing but you moving goalposts.
You were the one stating that the token, an item sold by Blizzard, is Pay2Win because you can acquire gold with it.
So, I am then reaching out and saying that it would identify the game has having been legally Pay2Win since October 2006 but for a more exclusive customer base as the printing and sales of TCG started there, an item sold on behalf of Blizzard that can help you acquire gold as well.
That is a fact if we classify the token as P2W, making indirect involvement of Blizzard to be P2W.
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You're smart enough to realize...what?
It's minimal to be able to disenchant every quest item you get? It's minimal to be able to skin every beast you kill? It's minimal to be able to mine/gather every node you see?
That's what you consider minimal? That sounds more like you just don't care about it while leveling and consider it "minimal" because YOU think it's not important. Has nothing to do with intelligence.
What are you even talking about?
I bring up old professions and everything because that's what you skip by getting a boost. Yes, you can go back to it, but then you still end up having to spend the time you paid to skip in the end. Even if it's less to you because you're a higher level, it's still additional time. And it's directly related to the boost.
Your example of gear has nothing to do with it. You get handed pretty awful gear when you boost. You're reaching in the first place to try to compare it to gear, because heroic gear is what you use to get into mythics. You don't use a level 50 boost to get into mythics. It's not comparable at all. You may think it's some great point, but it's pretty flawed because of that.
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The only fact you had was that it lets you skip the time investment.
And I pointed out how that time investment skip also makes you miss out on quite a bit.
This is why debating anything on here ultimately ends up as pointless though. You don't want to acknowledge the other side, you just want to be right.
And before you try to flip that on me, you also ignore the fact that I have on multiple occasions acknowledge that you are right that it lets you skip the time investment. Others have also acknowledge that it lets you skip new players.
But when confronted with points that are disadvantages, you refuse to actually listen or acknowledge anyone back. It's dishonest.
"El Psy Kongroo!" Hearthstone Moderator
I stated my case clearly, concisely and as thoroughly as I could. You're the one using boring semantic arguments to undermine the purpose of what I'm saying. We don't even fully disagree, you just want to put a stupid fucking asterisk next the word P2W to include level boosts. This is the dumbest form of arguing on the internet so I'm not going to entertain this any longer.
So because IN YOUR OPINION they're missing out on some things....that somehow makes it not an advantage? Are you serious? I'm not willing to acknowledge you're side of this because you're so blatantly wrong. You are bending over backwards to avoid admitting you're wrong and perpetually moving goalposts. YOU think that not getting that gold is a disadvantage and therefore makes buying the boost not p2w. That's asinine and wrong.
FOMO: "Fear Of Missing Out", also commonly known as people with a mental issue of managing time and activities, many expecting others to fit into their schedule so they don't miss out on things to come. If FOMO becomes a problem for you, do seek help, it can be a very unhealthy lifestyle..
No, 1-50 not being a major investment is fact. People play this game for hundreds of hours. 1-50 is done in a tiny fraction of that. The boost lets you skip a minor fraction of the game at most, and it still leaves you inferior to people that haven't boosted because they were already at that level. Everybody also gets one for free, so you don't actually have to pay for it.
It at most gives an advantage to you personally by requiring you to invest less time to be adequate. It doesn't give you an advantage over others, as it would have to be P2W. Winning is more than just not losing.