Tryande's new model finally looking like a star elf

[ravenmoon]

@Aucald .. why was this moved to the lore forum? it's about a model customisation and art from the new patch - surely because a few responses also bring up the lore significance doesn't mean it should be there - or do you feel the discussion would be more productive in the lore forum?

[Auxis]

From a more purple tone, she now has a portion that looks Human by comparison.

Kinda weird. Was the intent for the Night Warrior aspect to look so... Human?

Pretty sure it's meant to resemble Elune. She's been described as having alabaster skin - so white like greek statues

[Clone]

No new elf variations please, just add this as customization option for people that pick night warrior eyes.

[ravenmoon]

There is a definite starry link between night elves and void elves blizzard should build upon

Agree 100% - they need flesh out the night elf bit first, because it's in references everywhere, form the arcane civilization and the druids to Elune.

1. they needs to show the significance culturally.. what role they play - naming night elves, giving their roles in society ? forming their mates? connecting with their deceased? enhancing their magic - this can be things that apply across every sphere and every order of night elves regardless.

2. Show the arcane civilization connection - astrological towers, what did they do? how were the civilization arcane elves using the stars to power up their spells? to draw more power? There is a fascination with the stars, they would have used their great knowledge to investigate them and draw magic from them- maybe that is what the towers were for

I love the idea of cities arranged according to the stars, while roads and rivers arranged according to ley lines. with important buildings on intersections.. this has a method to it

3. Druidism: They need to explain how and why druids use arcane spells so often. I think the key is in balancing the arcane. night elves are not averse to the arcane, but the imbalance addiction caused threw them off respecting nature and imbalanced them, in druidism they balance the two. The moonwells and arcane energy have always enhanced nature, so druids use night elven arcane knowledge to enhance nature. Also druids draw arcane energy for damage from the stars, not from the well of eternity, this doesn't light Azeroth up like a beacon because it isn't using the magic on Azeroth, but form the moon and stars

4. Elune: they need to really expand on Elune and the arcane magic the priestesses use. why is it that it is arcane spells often utilised/ not light spells? one explanation could be in the origin of the order, it was in studying the Well that they discovered Elune, the motivation for well studies that lead to discovery start with the priests and Elune, it is others that start using the magic for practical purposes that spawn the mage class - but for the priesthood, the arcane has always been sacred. they use it differently than mages do. Mage force draw the energy on the Well, but priests let the ir connection to the Goddess allow the magic to operate them, they are not concerned with building things and devising conveniences or practical applications, but they do have combat applications. It is the priests that learn how to harness arcane energy from the Moon the symbol of Elune and the stars around. Druids connect via their motivation for the love of nature and the balance in their race, but priests through the goddess.

There is also religious meaning to the stars, it is the priests that would name children, and order their prophetic destiny via the stars, it is a branch of the priesthood, and could even involve contact with the celestials and people like Algalon.

5. Mages: Night elven magic can have the distinct feel of being stellar/lunar focused. this is different from Kirin'tor/high elf/blood elf/ void elf mages whose ocus are primarily frost/ice (kirin'tor high elf, fire, (blood elf), and void (void elf) but night elf mages go a stage beyond they developed lunar /stellar magic, the blodo elf fire magic comes from focusing on the sun's power instead, while frost was specialised in because of the loneliness and coldness Highborne that became high elves felt over the exile, so they spent more time utilising the arcane for frost - also it was helpful because of the vast bodies of water they had to across.

Lunar/stellar arcane magic is distictively kaldorei and this is how their mage craft is unique to others.

Also a link between Highborne and void elves they can build upon

yes.. with the priests, they have the whole void thing and Elune's arcane power, I can see as situation that Elune's teaching is useful for void elves who struggle with the whispers moreso than others, like one of the void elves in the island expedition, this has led some void elves to be full on sisterhood of Elune, but focusing on the dark side of the mon, they bring their expertise to the priesthood too

The Highborne connection is obvious, high elves and void elves have no problems with Shen'dralar Highborne group and they get on quite well, this has actually helped heal the Thalassian/night elf relationship - especially pleasing are high elves that love getting kaldorei to admit that banning magical practice was perhaps not the only way to have dealt with the issue.

They can also connect void elves and demon hunters - whole use dangerous magic to save your people vibe

yes, both magics are often considered dangerous too, even amongst night elves, and even after seeing how demon hunters were the source of the victory against the legion this time and not druids.

it's caused no small shake up, followed by the night warrior ritual and Tyrande's final control over it, now void elves are understood and Illidari who can control themselves are often listened to and respected even if no one wants to live with them - fel magic reeks of sulphur and is one of hte most unpleasant smell to elves.

Is there a way they can co next night elf druids and void elves ?

Yes. if the void were to invade a forest and change it, void elves and druids would work together. Druids can also ask void elves for help with the void in the emerald nightmare - totally driving it away but also in places where that can't happen utilising it so it can be a benefit rather than a destruction. in this manner you can even get void elf druids, who use the void attack on nature against it, and find a way to empower void affected nature so it's useful and not destroyed.

Emerald dream and maybe if Quel'thalas' Ghostlands forest were void invaded, night elven druids could work with void elves there.

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Nightborne also can share that star connection with them, but how would that connect them better with blood elves?

@Tanaria Nightborne don't need more connection with blood elves, they are already great friends, and have cultural connections the kaldorei civilization has with it's successor Thalassian civilization - there is their connection. you don't have to have blood elves became star focused too, that is part of the kaldorei nature of the Nightborne, and in fact one of the things that should be highlighted in their differences with blood elves rather than retconned or recast to match with blood elves.

Focusing on the kaldorei nature of the Nightborne is perhaps the single most important thing for them to make them distinct form the blood elves. Without it they would just be night elf looking blood elves to a lot of horde people, and it diminishes them.. they are supposed to be the night elf civilization, and that has many differences to the blood elves as it does similarities. Bringing out the uniqueness will help actually make them feel like two separate people that are great friends.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

@Auculd .. why was this moved to the lore forum? it's about a model customisation and art from the new patch - surely because a few responses also bring up the lore significance doesn't mean it should be there - or do you feel the discussion would be more productive in the lore forum?

Because your thread title, OP message, and your overall posting "theme" is about Night Elves... and not only customization options.


Your OP thread quite literally is nothing but lore significance and quasi-role playing.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

@moderators can we have a night elf megathread please?

Better yet... can we get an Elf Only Sub-Forum

[Ardenaso]

@moderators can we have a night elf megathread please?

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ussion-thread/

[Tsarez]

You guys are aware of the things she had to go though for all of this, right?

What makes you think you deserve this out of the box?

[Tanaria]

@Tanaria Nightborne don't need more connection with blood elves, they are already great friends, and have cultural connections the kaldorei civilization has with it's successor Thalassian civilization - there is their connection. you don't have to have blood elves became star focused too, that is part of the kaldorei nature of the Nightborne, and in fact one of the things that should be highlighted in their differences with blood elves rather than retconned or recast to match with blood elves.

Focusing on the kaldorei nature of the Nightborne is perhaps the single most important thing for them to make them distinct form the blood elves. Without it they would just be night elf looking blood elves to a lot of horde people, and it diminishes them.. they are supposed to be the night elf civilization, and that has many differences to the blood elves as it does similarities. Bringing out the uniqueness will help actually make them feel like two separate people that are great friends.

It's not an "extra connection." This connection was part of the reason why the Nightborne joined the Blood Elves and thereby, joined the Horde.

It's always been there and it's also the starting point for the Nightborne/Blood Elf friendship.

And the nature theme should have been a thing from the start. Nightborne shouldn't have been able to be Warlocks, because it's very contradictory to what they just went through, with Gul'Dan and Elisande. Replace it with the Druid class, then you still have those 3/4 of classes being related to their Horde allies, but then you've got that Druidic class that connects them to their roots.

[Talrath]

Doesnt matter how she looks, if she is still useless as always then yeah.... a turd will always stay a turd even if you sprinkel some fairy dust on it.

[geco]

Guys. It is this:


So all these powers from "Elune's Revenge" are the powers that Maiev always had.
Maiev is the previous Night war?
Are they getting training?
Did the previous Night War give them to Maiev?

There are two things that come to mind. First, why two models for a character who is essentially not doing anything in the plot?

* It's like Blizzard realized he's incapable of writing stories and told the art team to make it up to the Kaldorei.
Or that the Art team loves the Kalodrei and the writers hate it.

* If all this is the "Vanganza de Elune". When Tyrande bitches the other elves she is also Elune. When Maiev attacks Tyrande in W3 Elune continues to give her the powers. Elune seems to disagree with Illidian.

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And last. The Eternal Night have to accept that by siding with the High Priestess of Elune we are going to destroy the people they have completely abandoned the goddess. So you should start to worship the Light.

Another issue is that they say that Suromar is Lore Kaldorei but they do not realize the big issue. All the Elvish Lore mixes with each other.
In the same way that the elves of Sanfre reject Elune. The Night elves reject the magical side of her.
If suromar stayed neutral or went to the Alliance. That is, if the Kaldorei made peace with the magical side of him, he could be seen as a lore more "Kaldorei". But the truth is that they reject him again and the blood elves do not. So he's a blood elf lore with "Kaldorei fashion".

Think of it as when all the trolls Voljin offer to join them and get revenge and he tells them No.
No one would say that the lore of the other troll tribes is Lore of the Darkspear. The same here.

On the other hand, the Darkspears and the Zandalari do get along well and there if they feel like a lore that they both care about.

PD:

[ravenmoon]

It's not an "extra connection." This connection was part of the reason why the Nightborne joined the Blood Elves and thereby, joined the Horde.

You so eager to push agenda you read only what you want to read, and not what is said.. re-read what you're quoting and correct please.

And stop nit picking and fualt finding too, it's even more embarassing if you do that over a point you missed.

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Because your thread title, OP message, and your overall posting "theme" is about Night Elves... and not only customization options.


Your OP thread quite literally is nothing but lore significance and quasi-role playing.

What's that even?

Both the titel, and the subject of the main op is the customisation, most of the responses are about the customisation, not the lore, I think I'm the only one that has mentioned the lore significance.. in the first 3 pages, - how can the topic be about lore? if the discussion have gone that way, then perhaps, but it hasn't.

[Raetary]

Guys. It is this:

It's not.
They just themed Tyrandes appearance after it.

Kinda hard not to when all of it shares the same aesthetic.

So all these powers from "Elune's Revenge" are the powers that Maiev always had.
Maiev is the previous Night war?
Are they getting training?
Did the previous Night War give them to Maiev?

The answer to all of that is 'no'.

[geco]

It's not.
They just themed Tyrandes appearance after it.

Kinda hard not to when all of it shares the same aesthetic.

I mean.
They are arguing whether he looks like an Eternal-Night or a void elf.

He is the same style of an Avatar of Vengeance. He prays for that. Not the other types of elves.

Also having the same style we can assume that it is related.

The answer to all of that is 'no'.

You will realize that they cannot all be "no" because Maiev has that power.
They may be on a different scale. But it would still be like the Light of a priest and the Light of a paladin.

[Aucald]

@Aucald .. why was this moved to the lore forum? it's about a model customisation and art from the new patch - surely because a few responses also bring up the lore significance doesn't mean it should be there - or do you feel the discussion would be more productive in the lore forum?

A model based on a pretty significant aspect of current lore, which you dip into further in your OP. It was a bit of a toss-up, but since this thread really isn't about gameplay mechanics or the external aspects of WoW, and more about its story, it seemed to fit more in Lore than General Discussions.

[TEHPALLYTANK]

I like how they also got rid of her green hair, that just looked weird

Whoever put it in there screwed up to begin with, because her hair was never described as being green. Even her original model in Classic WoW had the correct color (blue). Someone made a mistake and nobody bothered correcting it, which left us with Tyrande having green hair without any explanation for it.

Going through it looks like it was Wei Wang who messed it up, and everyone decided to follow along with his choice of her hair color in the 5-year WoW anniversary artwork. Despite there being literally no explanation for why her hair would suddenly become teal.

[Grazrug]

They are arcane /void based like the stars - in the night elf themes and symbology. That style is night elf first then nightborne.

Elune's power and symbology in the moon and stars is arcane centric.. this has always been a core part oft he night elves.. they show this time and time again. Well of Eternity, pre-sundering civilization, Highborne, Moonguard, Starfall, star shards, moon lance, starsurge, starfire , lunar strike - druid, priest, mage - STARS = ARCANE, MOON = ARCANE -

arcane, nature are part and parcel in the night elves all the way, whether they're int he middle of the forest, by a magical lake and world tree or in a massive night elven city like Zin'Azshari or Suramar.. it's always been there, it was there in the description in WC3, it was there in the moonwells of WC3 and the well of eternity, it was there throughout the war of the ancient trilogy and all our knowledge on Azshara and the great war of the night elves. It was there in the night elf opening quests, in the final battle of Teldrassil, it was there in the Highborne of Dire Maul, in the mages that came too, it was there in Legion expansion zones of Suramar, Azsuna, Val'Sharah and heavy in the Cathedral of Eternal night.

It touches their priests, their mages and their druids and it always has from day 1. One of their most common poke phrases is Stars Guid You and Hail to the Night.

But you can associate the night and stars more with the Nightborne than the night elves, because Suramar has a better night theme, yet forget that Suramar is night elven

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I didn't expect it would come this build, probably in a few down the line.

Suramar belongs to the Horde. Get over it and accept it-.

[Jackstraw]

No amount of sparkling new model can return credibility to the Night Warrior. The dick is still in the salad.

[Moonrage]

Tyrande changes personalities and models like clothes, doesn't she?

Sounds more like Thrall or Sylvanas tbh (atleast the model part)

[Dazmalak]

Sounds more like Thrall or Sylvanas tbh (atleast the model part)

Fair. They're all trying to compete in the trial of style. And in the trial of insufferable characterization.