Report: Tax Returns of the Top 25 Wealthiest in America

[Machismo]

You haven't.

All you've communicated is that you operate solely out of financial self-interest, and nothing else. And you've refused to acknowledge that this is abnormal for humanity. Which it is.

Nope, that's a lie on your part.

I never said there was no other reason.

[Endus]

It's your toilet.

Does that mean you want to go clean everyone else's toilets?

I benefit from the ditches that need to be dug. And if I'm good at cleaning toilets, why wouldn't I? Hell, I have helped friends install toilets. So much for your argument, I guess.

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Nope, that's a lie on your part.

I never said there was no other reason.

When you insist that people will not work without financial recompense, that's what you're arguing.

Don't go moving goalposts now, when you realize you can't defend that point.

[Machismo]

I benefit from the ditches that need to be dug. And if I'm good at cleaning toilets, why wouldn't I? Hell, I have helped friends install toilets. So much for your argument, I guess.

Great, can you clean out my septic tank, then?

It may take a while, how's the next 30 years of your life sound? Alas, there won't be any pay in it for you, but you will get to be proud of the work you're doing. Sure you could just sit at home and play Xbox, and have the exact same things in life.

Your choice.

[Ivanstone]

It's your argument, the burden is on you.

Are you talking about the ones that ditched their wealth taxes, or are you talking about the ones that have a 6% wealth tax like Warren wants?

My argument is the rich should pay their fucking taxes. They and their sycophants should stop whining.

Others have said that a wealth tax is onerous but have yet to provide a real world counterexample. There are countries that have wealth tax. They have billionaires living in them.

[Machismo]

I benefit from the ditches that need to be dug. And if I'm good at cleaning toilets, why wouldn't I? Hell, I have helped friends install toilets. So much for your argument, I guess.

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When you insist that people will not work without financial recompense, that's what you're arguing.

Don't go moving goalposts now, when you realize you can't defend that point.

Nope, this is you trying to make my argument for me.

Stop fucking lying.

[Specialka]

Stalin is all Communism? Shall we talk about all the deaths directly due to capitalism or hell all the deaths due to simply America overthrowing democratically elected leftist governments?

So now America is "all capitalism" ? But maybe you want to also speak about all the deaths due to Mao ?

[Machismo]

My argument is the rich should pay their fucking taxes. They and their sycophants should stop whining.

Others have said that a wealth tax is onerous but have yet to provide a real world counterexample. There are countries that have wealth tax. They have billionaires living in them.

You chose to invoke them, the burden is on you.

The rich to pay their taxes, and they pay a higher rate of their income than the average American.

Good luck!!!

[Themius]

Great, can you clean out my septic tank, then?

It may take a while, how's the next 30 years of your life sound? Alas, there won't be any pay in it for you, but you will get to be proud of the work you're doing. Sure you could just sit at home and play Xbox, and have the exact same things in life.

Your choice.

I don't think you know how communism works... Actually... I don't think you know how anything works.

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You chose to invoke them, the burden is on you.

The rich to pay their taxes, and they pay a higher rate of their income than the average American.

Good luck!!!

They pay a higher rate? I thought this thread was explicitly about how the wealthiest don't.

[Machismo]

I don't think you know how communism works... Actually... I don't think you know how anything works.

Well, we have the real-life attempts... those went badly.

We have basic human behavior... which isn't on your side.

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I don't think you know how communism works... Actually... I don't think you know how anything works.

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They pay a higher rate? I thought this thread was explicitly about how the wealthiest don't.

Enjoy!!!

https://taxfoundation.org/summary-of...ta-2020-update

That's what happens when people don't actually bother to learn the difference between wealth and income.

[Themius]

So now America is "all capitalism" ? But maybe you want to also speak about all the deaths due to Mao ?

America is the best example of capitalism... if you want to look to other countries you begin to go down the shitter real quick...

Around the world when you compare developing capitalist to socialist countries the socialist ones have always performed better on life expectancy, food security, housing, jobs, education...

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Well, we have the real-life attempts... those went badly.

We have basic human behavior... which isn't on your side.

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Enjoy!!!

https://taxfoundation.org/summary-of...ta-2020-update

That's what happens when people don't actually bother to learn the difference between wealth and income.

The Tax Foundation describes itself as an "independent tax policy research organization".[1] They are cited in the media as a nonpartisan or bipartisan organization,[27][28][29][30][31][32][33][34] and are also described as business-friendly, conservative, and center-right

The pro business conservative right wing tax foundation says the rich pay enough!!!! Colour me shocked.

[uuuhname]

They pay a higher rate? I thought this thread was explicitly about how the wealthiest don't.

hell most international corporations have negative taxes like GM and Amazon but we can't talk about that...

[Endus]

Great, can you clean out my septic tank, then?

It may take a while, how's the next 30 years of your life sound? Alas, there won't be any pay in it for you, but you will get to be proud of the work you're doing. Sure you could just sit at home and play Xbox, and have the exact same things in life.

Your choice.

You realize the alternative you're suggesting is that it's "better" for some poor disadvantaged person without other options to be effectively forced by duress into taking that septic-tank-cleaning position for just over minimum wage, and to do that job for 30 years for that shit pay, barely getting by, because they have no other real options in life, and can't make any different choices, can't just choose to quit and stay home even though they hate the work and how poorly its paid, because they need to keep a roof over their family's heads and food on the table.

You're arguing that without that duress, people won't do the work. You don't see the inherent problem in that argument?

[Ivanstone]

https://www.propublica.org/article/l...ree-piggy-bank
TLDR:
*Noted shit bird Peter Thiel is also engaging in tax evasion.
*"Thiel also had an advantage over most Americans with IRAs, who typically use them to purchase publicly traded stocks, bonds, mutual funds and certificates of deposit. Since Thiel used his Roth to buy shares of a private company, the value wasn’t set on a public stock exchange."

[Specialka]

America is the best example of capitalism... if you want to look to other countries you begin to go down the shitter real quick...

Around the world when you compare developing capitalist to socialist countries the socialist ones have always performed better on life expectancy, food security, housing, jobs, education...

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The pro business conservative right wing tax foundation says the rich pay enough!!!! Colour me shocked.

Not so sure about that. Do you have sources to back you up ? And I guess you have all forgotten about EU and the Social Democracy there. Capitalist but doing fine because we care about our people.

[Themius]

You realize the alternative you're suggesting is that it's "better" for some poor disadvantaged person without other options to be effectively forced by duress into taking that septic-tank-cleaning position for just over minimum wage, and to do that job for 30 years for that shit pay, barely getting by, because they have no other real options in life, and can't make any different choices, can't just choose to quit and stay home even though they hate the work and how poorly its paid, because they need to keep a roof over their family's heads and food on the table.

You're arguing that without that duress, people won't do the work. You don't see the inherent problem in that argument?

This is the "freedom and individual liberty" capitalist love to talk about. Never mind the fact garbagemen are generally quite pleased with their jobs... some people like Machismo inject prestige into jobs and deem certain ones beneath them. Oh god it's the same mentality on Wall Street.

[Ivanstone]

You chose to invoke them, the burden is on you.

The rich to pay their taxes, and they pay a higher rate of their income than the average American.

Good luck!!!

Nah. It really isn't. I don't care about their opinions but I guess you don't want a real world opinion to cement your counter-argument. Yelling at people on web forums is easier I guess.

The rich engage in tax evasion and change laws so they can pay even less taxes.

[Shadowferal]

Those history books only cover basically a single sub-branch of communism, one that's a strong rejection of Marxist principles. Stalin is the archetype, and from there, we get Maoism and Castroism and all the rest, springing from that origin point.

yea...real communism hasn't existed beyond countries that claim it, but just thinly veiled fir3 dictatorships.

[Themius]

Not so sure about that. Do you have sources to back you up ? And I guess you have all forgotten about EU and the Social Democracy there. Capitalist but doing fine because we care about our people.

Social democracy... you mean when states try to expand socialist and communist party ideas? You know the ones that got backed and implemented over the years? You know the countries where they didn't actively hunt, kill, jail, and overthrow every single leftist leader unlike the USA?

The USA doesn't have social democracy simply because they went hard with stomping out leftists.

So what you're telling me is that the mixed socialist ideals into capitalism is good yet you take issue with communism?

[Machismo]

America is the best example of capitalism... if you want to look to other countries you begin to go down the shitter real quick...

Around the world when you compare developing capitalist to socialist countries the socialist ones have always performed better on life expectancy, food security, housing, jobs, education...

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The pro business conservative right wing tax foundation says the rich pay enough!!!! Colour me shocked.

Their data comes directly from the United States government. Can you refute it?

[Ivanstone]

The annoying little wanker is back for what, an hour? And this thread is already pages long with the same old shit as before.

Just lock this nonsense up, ffs.

Can't. There's so much shit to post! Have I mentioned that anti-journalism zealot Peter Thiel did a bad thing?