Andrew Yang to Launch a Third Party

[Endus]

I don't and nobody should be forced to serve you by paying all your expenses... You should spend the (hypothetical) monthly $100 on food and not rent...

Nobody is being "forced" to "serve" anyone; this would be funded through taxation.

$100 won't cover food, either.

Kudos on stating openly that your policy would foster and support homelessness, though. Odd to see you rip the mask off quite that cleanly.

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We should still tolerate Yang and his political movement even if we're skeptical of his ideas.

This is also a pretty dishonest take.

Everyone shitting on Yang for having bad ideas and that his policy arguments are weak is the marketplace freely reacting to his ideas. The "marketplace of ideas" is not some protected space where all arguments are given equal treatment regardless of their strength or validity. It's where heavy criticism is leveled against every idea to test it thoroughly, so that only the best and most resilient ideas survive that marketplace.

You've completely missed the point of the metaphor. The entire point is if you bring a shitty product (idea) to the market, you don't sell anything because everyone can see how terrible your product (idea) is. It is no guarantee of civility or acceptance. You're not owed anything by the market. If your ideas don't hold up, that marketplace will ruin you, and rightfully so.

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Tell me you prefer maintaining the status quo without explicitly saying you prefer maintaining the status quo.

Sometimes radical change is necessary yo.

"Maybe we should try freeing just the house slaves, and keep the field slaves working. Let's emancipate incrementally."

That's just a pro-slavery stance. It isn't some fancy middle ground.

[Doctor Amadeus]

I think it's a great idea, hopefully he takes Gabbard, Manchin and Sinema along with him, seriously. As for it hurting 2022 or 2024, it will likely have an impact on Trump either way. The DNC should take the time to clean house and get candidates that will actually fight and distinguish the principles of the Democratic Party Liberal and Left.

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If PC2 thinks it's a good idea we can all rest assured it isn't.

Given that this is all about him and his ego I'm willing to bet his third party isn't going to look at local school boards, water reclamation districts, etc. for his starting point.

He's just going to alienate what Dem support he had and it isn't like the GOP will embrace him as a third party. He's all alone.

If you think PC2 is being sincere then you really haven't been paying attention, if PC2 embraces UBI then there is typically a political cost. I am in no way meaning that as an insult or calling PC2 a Liar, but his motives are pretty Transparent not giving a fuck about anyone but himself.

[PC2]

If you think PC2 is being sincere then you really haven't been paying attention, if PC2 embraces UBI then there is typically a political cost. I am in no way meaning that as an insult or calling PC2 a Liar, but his motives are pretty Transparent not giving a fuck about anyone but himself.

My support for UBI was only in an incremental context though. Start at a realistic number like 100 then make it scale with inflation and economic growth. It can just keep doubling forever.

Or just stick with traditional welfare. It won't make that much of a difference either way.

[draynay]

And? It's not a food program. It's just a guaranteed $100 per month. Use it for whatever or don't even claim it since it's just $100 for a person who might need it.

If you don't want to hear how useless your idea is then have less useless ideas.

[Shadowferal]

If you think PC2 is being sincere then you really haven't been paying attention, if PC2 embraces UBI then there is typically a political cost. I am in no way meaning that as an insult or calling PC2 a Liar, but his motives are pretty Transparent not giving a fuck about anyone but himself.

He's libertarian and he voted for Trump. Considering some of what he believes in...he's a good metric for knowing to go in any other direction than his.

[PC2]

If you don't want to hear how useless your idea is then have less useless ideas.

Okay, if you're impatient and want "all or nothing" when it comes to UBI then I think it'll just be nothing. Nobody is actually serious about implementing $1k UBI, except for maybe a couple rich oil states where the numbers work.

[Shadowferal]

Okay, if you're impatient and want "all or nothing" when it comes to UBI then I think it'll just be nothing. Nobody is actually serious about implementing $1k UBI, except for maybe a couple rich oil states where the numbers work.

No such thing ss a "rich oil state."

[Lanrefni]

No such thing ss a "rich oil state."

Norway is the only one I can think of that might come close,but all the others are burning money faster than they can earn it.

[Shadowferal]

Norway is the only one I can think of that might come close,but all the others are burning money faster than they can earn it.

His post referred to the US states. (Trump supporter...he wouldn't know much else beyond US borders. And Norway is positively wealthy in comparison to red-state USA)

[Azadina]

My support for UBI was only in an incremental context though. Start at a realistic number like 100 then make it scale with inflation and economic growth. It can just keep doubling forever.

Or just stick with traditional welfare. It won't make that much of a difference either way.

Doubling? Like 100 is 200 the next year? Sounds cool, except for minor detail of it becoming 51 grand a month inside 10 years, and 1.6m a month in 15 years. 52.4m in 20.

[jonnysensible]

This is the past, present and future path of Yang :

Democratic Presidential Nominee - Failed to win
Mayor of NY - Failed to win
Third Party - Failed to win
Dancing with the stars - Failed to win

[D Luniz]

Ill wait to see if he has the strength of will to actually do this, and doesn't do like Sanders, hop out his party every 4 years to run as a democrat to crib their resources, then bounce out the moment he doesn't have a path forward anymore.

[Lanrefni]

His post referred to the US states. (Trump supporter...he wouldn't know much else beyond US borders. And Norway is positively wealthy in comparison to red-state USA)

Yeah,that makes sense,I have PC2 on ignore due to the sheer amount brain dead stupidity he keeps posting.

[Fugus]

Ill wait to see if he has the strength of will to actually do this, and doesn't do like Sanders, hop out his party every 4 years to run as a democrat to crib their resources, then bounce out the moment he doesn't have a path forward anymore.

If we are lucky, he will do like Sanders did and run in primaries as a Democrat and then only run in the general if he wins to ensure he doesn’t split the vote.

If we are unlucky, he will run as a full 3rd party in a system that isn’t designed to handle more than 2 parties and then splits the votes helping Republicans get seats against the will of the people.

The question is, “Which is bigger, his ego or his ethics?”

[Hollycakes]

This is the past, present and future path of Yang :

Democratic Presidential Nominee - Failed to win
Mayor of NY - Failed to win
Third Party - Failed to win
Dancing with the stars - Failed to win

This shouldn't be so funny to me but it is.
Reminds me of Ed Balls.

OT: Didn't Michael Steele try something like this with his purple party thing?
I can't remember if it was just a pac or group or actual party.

Also, remember Nader and how well that went.

America isn't set up for 3 parties.
Shame we can't have coalitions here.

[Kaleredar]

If we are lucky, he will do like Sanders did and run in primaries as a Democrat and then only run in the general if he wins to ensure he doesn’t split the vote.

If we are unlucky, he will run as a full 3rd party in a system that isn’t designed to handle more than 2 parties and then splits the votes helping Republicans get seats against the will of the people.

The question is, “Which is bigger, his ego or his ethics?”

Luckily I don't think Yang is popular enough to be a noticeable spoiler. He's no Bernie.

That being said, with as much as the republicans love voter suppression and gerrymandering, any little chunk taken away from a prospective democrat candidate can indeed be damaging.

[jonnysensible]

Doesn’t come close to a month’s worth of food.

if only machismo was here he could share his recipes for beans on toast and spaghetti + tomato ketchup, teach you heathens something about budgeting, nutrition, cooking and looking after your family

[PC2]

Yeah,that makes sense,I have PC2 on ignore due to the sheer amount brain dead stupidity he keeps posting.

Fine by me. I ignored people in the past but then I couldn't point out a flaw in their argument because I couldn't even see their argument anymore. So it seemed counter-productive from that perspective, imo.

[Endus]

Okay, if you're impatient and want "all or nothing" when it comes to UBI then I think it'll just be nothing. Nobody is actually serious about implementing $1k UBI, except for maybe a couple rich oil states where the numbers work.

You have no basis whatsoever for claiming the funding can't work out. You're making that shit up.

https://www.ft.com/content/927d28e0-...c-9122541af204

Half-assing a thing is just an excuse to declare it hasn't worked and cancel it down the line.

[cubby]

Worse idea ever.

edit: third party from the liberal side is worst idea ever - UBI is fantastic. Just so we're clear.