Originally Posted by
Tojara
The sad thing is you kind of have to wait until 10.0 to see how they handle things.
Contrary to the ball fondling that Legion gets on these forums as of late, it was just as trash as BFA (maybe even more so) in how it handled it's systems. Pretty much everything was fixed at the very end, just like in BFA. BFAs biggest fault was following Legion and having horribly tuned Azerite traits on armor out of the gate. All in all, Legion/BFA/Shadowlands have had an approach of taking feedback and ignoring it until the end.
Players aren't always right though. Just go back and look at how much people loved Torghast on beta?
A lot of the 9.1.5 changes should've been in at the start, or shortly after 9.0 being released. My issue with Blizzard as of late is they invalidate the progress people make half way through a patch, by allowing everybody to catch up as quickly as possible. Why break your back grinding Korthia or doing Torghast every single week when a patch half way through the tier makes it way easier? Just feels like they're disrespecting your time. I feel especially bad for those who grinded AP in 9.0 to get cosmetic items given how awful it was to get AP.
This isn't me saying Blizzard is going to get everything right either. Players are oftentimes wrong in the feedback they give and sometimes things don't work (it's fine to make mistakes). There are lots of things that should be fairly obvious though from both feedback and making the game feel better to play, and it just feels like as of late they know what these things are, but dangle them as features to be released in a later patch. That might have worked when we were all stupid in Legion, but dangling that for going on 6 years just isn't going to work anymore.
10.0 will be the real test though. Somethings were fixed in 9.1, but that was nearly 7 months after launch, while the majority of the things that would've made Shadowlands a lot better of an experience aren't being fixed until nearly a year after release? Do you really want to continue a game that you pay a subscription to that has super infrequent patch updates and doesn't fix huge issues with the game until a year (or more in previous expansions?) after it's launched? I think people trying other MMOs right now isn't simply because other MMOs are better, it's just because people are growing bored with the model we are currently getting and aren't going to continue with the status quo that Blizzard has adopted since pretty much Legion.
I think some of you are missing the point when Blizzard does patches like 9.1.5 as well. These are things we've wanted (and I wanted as well) since pretty much the beginning. Had they happened a few months in, I doubt many people would've grumbled that much, but all of this is happening a year later is the problem. You can't blame people for being annoyed about potentially losing a year of having the game in a better state. It's like the fun button isn't allowed to be pushed for a few patches.