if this retcon fest is what they came up with while having all this planned since WotLK then it just makes it even worse then it already is.
The different forces and actors existed previously in lore to some degree. But the general cast of characters is not the problem with SL. Its the haphazard way in which the story is forced to tie into events of the past that makes everything so janky.
I highly highly doubt the concept of Sargeras being tricked by Zovaal into creating Argus to bluescreen the arbitor while the Nathrazium prevent him from killing Azeroth so that Zovaal van use the galactic 3d printer to make a new reality was a thing when Legion was being written.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Why are you only stating there color. That wasnt the only reason...
You must have clearly missed them if you somehow thought Xavius was the cause
ursoc, the dread lord's. Come on man....
Again, Xavius is a NOBODY who worked for the old gods who are void aligned and against death. Why would they work for zovaal.
Jesus Christ....
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Right, so now it was planned that we would hitch a ride on Kiljaedens ship, kill him as we reach Argus and then have Illidan use a stolen portal key to tear open a hole linking Azeroth to Argus so that we could invade the legions homeworld, slaughter countless daemons and finally confront Sargeras's respawn machine?
This keeps getting more and more far fetched.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
While I dont think it was Xavius. He wasn't a nobody. He was the first Nightelf Demon and the most powerful one. Almost summoned Sargaras through the well of eternity. Corrupted the night elf world tree Teldrassil(later cleansed) as well as the World Tree Shaladrassil. Took control of the Nightmare that Yogg created. Almost destroyed the world with it(book). Corrupted Fandral Staghelm which later joined with Ragnaros. Put Malfurion into a sleep for years after he caught him in the emerald dream. Corrupted Ysera through the tears of Elune. Was working for both the Legion and the Old gods and had a direct tie to Archimonde(WoD). He has done more then any other person on Azeroth as far as evil goes. He is also a Demon so likely isn't even dead.
As far as it being Argus that took out the Arbiter while its dumb. Blizz could have easily shown what happened in a flash back or questline... but its blizz so they are just going to tell us. Titans have been able to split their soul so taking a chunk of Argus and chucking it at the Arbiter is fine. Just doesn't make sense how it even got into the Shadowlands since Titans dont die the same way mortal souls do. They are also creatures of Order and should go to that realm anyways.
nathrezim are the cunning ones, yet they leave behind a fucking diary. All this shit makes Kil'jaeden the DECEIVER look even more of a clown.
That's the biggest problem I have with this whole thing. If Zovaal were powerful enough to be capable of orchestrating all of the events that had to happen in order for this explanation to make sense, without anyone in the entire cosmos noticing the manipulations as they were happening, then he would have never actually needed us in the first place and in fact should have never been able to be imprisoned in the Maw to begin with. It opens up so many plot holes in the lore that it is almost an insult to the intelligence of the players for this to be what Blizzard wants us to accept as the explanation for one of the most important events leading up to Shadowlands.
That being said, there is nothing in the recent datamining released by wowhead that states the Argus was what disrupted the Arbiter in the first place. Only that his soul was being used to disrupt the ritual to replace the Arbiter with a new one. Even the wowhead article's author says as much in the article.
The rest of the article after that is just a rehash of the debate about could it have been Argus or not. The article's title is blatant click-bait because there is nothing in it that definitively tells us what broke the machine of death at all."However, it's not explicitly stated that Argus was the force that weakened the Arbiter in the Shadowlands cinematic, and due to all the twists and turns in the recent part, it's difficult to make a clear statement without conclusive dialogue."
I found I enjoyed the game significantly more when I stopped paying attention to all the people on the forums telling me how much I am supposed to hate itAll this complaining is simply further proof that Blizzard could send each and every player a real-life wish-granting flying unicorn carrying a solid gold plate of chocolate chip cookies wrapped in hundred dollar bills, and someone would whine that Blizzard sucks for not letting them choose oatmeal raisin.
Yes he has a lot under his belt but none of it gave any reason to believe he was the cause of the arbitor blue screen. His cosmic alignment completely goes against death.
Yeah titans don't go to the shadowlands. But it's easy to think that the DLs had access to argus and probably spent eons secretly prepping him to be yeeted to the arbitors face at the moment of truth.
Wouldn't be the first singularly odd decision the Arbiter made. Vashj went to Maldraxxus straight away as well, despite her being involved in an attempt to siphon all the water in Outland away and essentially hold it for ransom. She definitely seemed like a Revendreth candidate as well.
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Ya I think its fine overall just getting tired of Blizz telling us after the fact. Making Zovval behind everything even when it doesn't make sense(mostly Warcraft 3 undead campaign) is getting old. The terrible cliffhangers after months of waiting for more terrible cliffhangers is also getting old. Started in BFA and its awful storytelling in a game like WoW or MMOs in general.