Oh Blizzard, how you have fallen (Diablo Immortal).

[Etna-the-Undying]

The game has a lot of details and features so they have to slowly unlock them for you as you progress. Otherwise new players would be overwhelmed by all the information.


It's just the game letting you know that an option is available.


-It's not a predatory business model. There's nothing unethical about it.
-Nobody is forced to play and nobody is entitled to their preferred game experience unless they created the game.
-You can experience most of the game for free.
-As far as I know F2P players can still achieve almost all of the same things but at a slower rate.

WOW the first guy to reply to OP sounds like a blizz employer loooooool

[aarro]

One of the things I found quite funny when trying it was when I cleared a dungeon for the first time my REWARD is a discount bundle in the shop. My reward for clearing a dungeon is the opportunity to spend money. Oh but at a discount, ya know cus they want you to be used to spending money early. Even if it's just a little. Get that taste.

From what I briefly saw of the game and the videos I have seen of others playing Blizzard has doubled down on every predatory, disgusting behaviour that P2W games have. The mental tricks of luring people in with rewards, dailies, small free tastes of what it'd be play to spend money, cheap 1-time only bundles to get you into spending just a little to get the ball rolling, every penny spent is some form of gambling mechanic to get those gambling addicts hooked etc. etc... Every mechanic in the game, every prompt, every action is designed with trying to get the player to spend money ahead of anything else.

Diablo Immortal is everything bad about current-gen games, games whos mechanics are more focused on mental warefare with the player to make as much money as possible and it saddens me than the company and game at the forefront of all these disgusting behavours is both the company and game series that I once loved.

I understand companies exist to make money, but that doesn't excuse disgusting behaviour and these predatory mechanics are exactly that. I just want game companies to be about making good games again. People should spend money on your game because your game is good and they want to support it, not because they was coaxed into spending it.

New to mobile gaming I see....

As for the title of the thread - Oh Blizzard, how you have fallen, Mobile games aren't even in the same bracket as normal games so it's a bit silly to say that tbh.

[Vasilisa]

We all knew what Immortal was going to be since the announcement we collectively boo'd at. I don't care what they do with this one, I'm more afraid for when they're implementing it on their more legit products.

Wise words. I'm kinda afraid that it's a "field test" for Diablo4. Diablo's competition is sustaining itself by having cash shop (with skins only) and with that POE's devs manage to create new mini-expansion every few months. If Diablo wants to compete they need to have either cash shop of their own or will have to be GOTY material.

[Dhrizzle]

WOW the first guy to reply to OP sounds like a blizz employer loooooool

Better than sounding like an unpaid intern.
"Hey boss how many "o"s in looool?"
"Doesn't matter anything more than 4 is enough to make you look like an idiot. Just make sure "wow" is all caps."

[Etna-the-Undying]

Better than sounding like an unpaid intern.
"Hey boss how many "o"s in looool?"
"Doesn't matter anything more than 4 is enough to make you look like an idiot. Just make sure "wow" is all caps."

Gramma Nazis are a thing of the past. My guess is that you have been around since my time meaning you are 15ys too late to start Policing.


A guy cant show surprize in all caps and contempt with extra Os anymore...

[Unholyground]

We don't disagree, shitty parents will always be shitty parents. A fucking casino will not let a minor in though (I guess this will depend on the country though), they'll make sure of it because they know they can get fucked in the ass by the authorities.

My hope is when Microsoft takes over they take a look at a lot of these things

[Dhrizzle]

Gramma Nazis are a thing of the past. My guess is that you have been around since my time meaning you are 15ys too late to start Policing.


A guy cant show surprize in all caps and contempt with extra Os anymore...

You can do whatever you want but if you're gonna criticise people for "sounding like shills" you need to be prepared to be called out for sounding like an idiot.

[Linkedblade]

One of the things I found quite funny when trying it was when I cleared a dungeon for the first time my REWARD is a discount bundle in the shop. My reward for clearing a dungeon is the opportunity to spend money. Oh but at a discount, ya know cus they want you to be used to spending money early. Even if it's just a little. Get that taste.

From what I briefly saw of the game and the videos I have seen of others playing Blizzard has doubled down on every predatory, disgusting behaviour that P2W games have. The mental tricks of luring people in with rewards, dailies, small free tastes of what it'd be play to spend money, cheap 1-time only bundles to get you into spending just a little to get the ball rolling, every penny spent is some form of gambling mechanic to get those gambling addicts hooked etc. etc... Every mechanic in the game, every prompt, every action is designed with trying to get the player to spend money ahead of anything else.

Diablo Immortal is everything bad about current-gen games, games whos mechanics are more focused on mental warefare with the player to make as much money as possible and it saddens me than the company and game at the forefront of all these disgusting behavours is both the company and game series that I once loved.

I understand companies exist to make money, but that doesn't excuse disgusting behaviour and these predatory mechanics are exactly that. I just want game companies to be about making good games again. People should spend money on your game because your game is good and they want to support it, not because they was coaxed into spending it.

It's a free game.

[MoanaLisa]

They may have fallen a long distance but apparently they've stuck the landing:

https://www.androidheadlines.com/202...ood-start.html

#1 download in iOS App Store and Android. For those who hate the revenue model, yeah, OK. But it's a pretty standard model for a mobile game. If anything it's less aggressive than many others I've seen. Y'all are so smart. Don't fall for it. Game is nice enough without spending money. None of this is surprising by the way. The bitter enders who thought that a panel at Blizzcon that wasn't well received three-and-a-half years ago was going to tank the game were always going to be wrong.

This is where gaming is now like it or not.

[Sluvs]

Lol even if you do pay, you have to buy the battle pass on every character, cosmetics arent account wide either. Like, the pre-registration armor set is only available on the character you redeem it on, so if you decide to try other classes, oh well, buy everything again

Jesus, I knew it was going to be predatory, but I am impressed but how cutthroat they got with the microtransactions.

A shame really.

[Vasilisa]

They may have fallen a long distance but apparently they've stuck the landing:

https://www.androidheadlines.com/202...ood-start.html

#1 download in iOS App Store and Android. For those who hate the revenue model, yeah, OK. But it's a pretty standard model for a mobile game. If anything it's less aggressive than many others I've seen. Y'all are so smart. Don't fall for it. Game is nice enough without spending money. None of this is surprising by the way. The bitter enders who thought that a panel at Blizzcon that wasn't well received three-and-a-half years ago was going to tank the game were always going to be wrong.

This is where gaming is now like it or not.

That's exactly my worry. Mobile games with microtransactions are profitable an popular and there is a possibility that once Blizzard notices how much money the can earn we might say "bye-bye" to Blizzard games which we can play/compete in without the use of credit card.

[MoanaLisa]

With Netease, which you left out.

Blizzard is fully responsible for releasing the game regardless of who developed it. Would you be happier if the team at Netease renamed themselves Blizzard East? It would make about as much difference.

[Mardux]

bobby....stop posting on a fake account

Is that the new thing? If you can't handle a normal free market action in a blizzard game, just claim the person is Kotick without being capable of suggesting anything better?

[MoanaLisa]

That's exactly my worry. Mobile games with microtransactions are profitable an popular and there is a possibility that once Blizzard notices how much money the can earn we might say "bye-bye" to Blizzard games which we can play/compete in without the use of credit card.

I think that's a genuine concern. Fact is though that companies that don't change with markets get left behind. Time will tell if they cordon off the mobile stuff from the PC-primary stuff. People aren't talking about Hearthstone which in some ways has just as predatory a revenue model. I'm seeing a lot of comments that seem to think that this is the first time that Blizzard has ventured into this space.

[Gaidax]

A dog does "woof". Huge shock.

What'd you expect it's an outsourced mobile F2P title, it was bound to have that shit and more.

I'm not even tilted, fully expected. As others said, this is just a quick fix for some extra story and before D4 and that it.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Blizzard is fully responsible for releasing the game regardless of who developed it. Would you be happier if the team at Netease renamed themselves Blizzard East? It would make about as much difference.

Considering how Netease is a completely different company and incredibly massive at that, I don't realistically expect it to be changed to Blizzard east.

[rhorle]

That's exactly my worry. Mobile games with microtransactions are profitable an popular and there is a possibility that once Blizzard notices how much money the can earn we might say "bye-bye" to Blizzard games which we can play/compete in without the use of credit card.

Blizzard already knows how profitable they can be because of Hearthstone which was released in 2014. King! is also part of the company so the "higher ups" would be fully aware of how much money they make. Has there even been a high profile game company that abandoned "traditional" gaming for mobile?

[Yizu]

I really dont get the concept of timesavers, you pay money so you dont have to play the game? Then why play the game in the first place?

[Mysterymask]

That's exactly my worry. Mobile games with microtransactions are profitable an popular and there is a possibility that once Blizzard notices how much money the can earn we might say "bye-bye" to Blizzard games which we can play/compete in without the use of credit card.

You know Capcom, Bandai Namco, Square Enix, Nintendo and literally every major game publisher is dabbling in it and its VERY profitable for them.

and yet we still get Monster Hunter, Final Fantasy 16, Metroid Dread, and Elden Ring....

The idea of the crappy mobile title that makes them money so they can focus on the passion products is probably very lost on you.

[Kallisto]

It isn't a shock, you're right.

But let me ask you, just out of sheer common sense and public image...

would you not pull back on the microtransactions at this point? Microtransactions are already a stigma in the gamer world, it would be common sense to NEVER "reward" a player with a discount to their shop, after hard work. Yes? Can we meet there?

Not really, when Rich Campbell just spent near $100k on it and Asmongold spend a few hundred, then in China there's 1.4 BILLION people who could easily spend money (this is more people than Europe and North America combined) the stigma is barely anything when one person in the west and one country in the east will likely spend so much that a few people whining in Europe and America is nothing.