The Kaldorei go to the shadowlands, like every other mortal soul, that is the whole point of it. Some of them hang around as undead wisps, but their destination has always been there. The elves were dead either way, Elune wanted to send them per express to Ardenweald and they were snatched on the way.
Yes, Malfurion either stays on the sidelines or acts like an idiot to even the odds because of his amount of power.
Killing Malfurion is whatever in my opinion. He just wasn't a good character, I'd gladly trade him for Ysera.
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Honestly this group of players was one of the worst consequences from the burning of Teldrassil.
change can't wait.
I don't hate Malfurion, but he has been fairly underwhelming for the last several expansions. He was only able to barely stalemate Sylvanas in Ashenvale and Darkshore, and was defeated by Saurfang throwing an axe, failing to stop the Burning of Teldrassil as an Archdruid. Then he didn't really participate for most of the Battle for Darkshore (even Maiev had a much bigger role), and also didn't really appear in Shadowlands either.
What's the real difference though? He was asleep in the Emerald Dream until Cataclysm (inactive), but was neutral for that expansion also mostly, working with Horde druids and letting his wife get killed over and over again in raiding parties on Darnassus (mostly unaligned, not directly involved in Alliance military affairs). He didn't do much for Pandaria or Draenor, then got captured by the "Shade" of Xavius and didn't appear to help with Suramar or Argus...and again, he did little during the Fourth War and in Shadowlands.
Lots of people also feel that Tyrande and Malfurion should move over for new leadership anyway (preferably by Shandris and Jarod, it seems):
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...-and-Malfurion
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"You see, there is balance in all things. Wisdom etched in our very fur: Black and white. Darkness and light. When the last emperor hid our land from the rest of the world, he also preserved...our ancient enemy, the mantid. So it is with your Alliance and your Horde. They are not strong despite one another; they are strong BECAUSE of one another. You mistake your greatest strength for weakness. Do you see this?"
Death was irrelevant for years, of the main WC3 casualties, the only ones to stay dead without any reappearances or take backsies were Antonidas and Garithos. The broader problem of SL in terms of cosmology and societal reactions though is in this case irrelevant, since rebirth for Ancients/Wild Gods has been a joke since Day 1 and Ardenweald is just the Emerald Dream if it was Blue. The only Wild Gods to actually fully die on-screen are Agamaggan and Ursoc and Ursoc only perma-died in SL. Cenarius, who's death was the reason Grom took the demon blood again and the foundation of orc/night elf relations got brought back unceremoniusly to do nothing much of consequence and then get possessed and fixed again so he can continue at it.
DF's problem doesn't hinge on SL, it hinges on being Take Backsies: The Expansion, specifically for the demographic @Maljinwo describes. Most everything to come out of it has been trying to patch over either unpopular decisions, like Dragon infertility, Aspect deaths and irrelevance, that ultimately didn't hurt the game and even refocused it away from dragons to the playable races, or currently topical issues, like 'fixing' villain races like centaur and gnolls, which beyond necessitating retcons, which can be good or bad, defeats the purpose of having such races in the first place and narrows the pool of stories told.
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Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.
Tinkers will be the next Class confirmed.
So when Elune says she "sent" them, she means she let them die.
There is still a huge debt to the Kaldorei from those two sisters.
Pity. The original plan was for him to fight Nathanos.
The end result is that the one who did all the work was Maiev. Tyrande and Malfurion were useless.
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No, the elves merely fulfilled their intended purpose, nothing more nothing less. All living mortal things are ultimately meant to enjoy an eternity in the shadowlands, you make it sound like death is a punishment, it is not. Quite the contrary what are a few thousand years compared to infinite ones in the shadowlands?
This world don't give us nothing. It be our lot to suffer... and our duty to fight back.
There are so many of Alliance characters awnyway. Besides, what was the relevancy of Malfurion after Cata? He just stood with Tyrande and did nothing, only occasionally saying offensive stuff like "hush wife".
Wouldn't mind Maiev becoming the leader of the Nelves tbh. OR literally anyone who keeps them the savage race that they are and not let them always bow to humans' bs.
I expect Ysera to remember that it was an Alliance character who gave his life so that she could live. The Green Dragonflight now has a blood debt towards the Alliance that must be repaid.
You as usual expand on what I briefly express (in no small part because I just can't enjoy this crap enough to write at length).
I simply mean that, given how much SL screwed things up, expecting a different result from the same writers is folly.DF's problem doesn't hinge on SL, it hinges on being Take Backsies: The Expansion, specifically for the demographic @Maljinwo describes. Most everything to come out of it has been trying to patch over either unpopular decisions, like Dragon infertility, Aspect deaths and irrelevance, that ultimately didn't hurt the game and even refocused it away from dragons to the playable races, or currently topical issues, like 'fixing' villain races like centaur and gnolls, which beyond necessitating retcons, which can be good or bad, defeats the purpose of having such races in the first place and narrows the pool of stories told.
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It will be remembered by her blessing the Horde, if it's remembered at all.
Why no, people don't just like Sylvie for T&A: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ery-Cinematic/
Welp, death continues to mean absolutely nothing in the WoW universe. Nothing new here
I expected to be bored by SL and write much less of it, like how I wrote far more in BFA than I did in Legion, but instead it had either interesting ideas with horrible execution or just bizarre choices, not to mention the behind the scenes mess, so it kept my interest. I can say outright that DF is just dull from what I've seen thus far and isn't strange enough to talk about despite that. Their weird picks and ideas they were too inept to properly get into or explore are what made SL stand out. The same writing staff, without the bridge to prior material and being told to make bog standard fantasy complete with world peace and scalies, rotating around the notoriously dull WoW dragons is just a recipe for boredom. I expect to get more out of it a patch or two in when it gets into the retarded time shenanigans.
Dickmann's Law: As a discussion on the Lore forums becomes longer, the probability of the topic derailing to become about Sylvanas approaches 1.
Tinkers will be the next Class confirmed.