As I said, there's a lot of grey area and caveats. These aren't two 100% distinct, absolutely different things. However, the seasonal design paradigm, as it exists across gaming, is primarily associated with a reset-oriented mindset, and that goes all the way back to at least Diablo 2. It means something. "Season" is not just a modern term for new content. It is a term that means things are being reset in some way.
I'm not saying that it's a bad idea. I'm just pointing out that it is meaningfully distinct and it is not the only way to do things.
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Fair.
I certainly personally miss the days of added content being about "more" than about "reset, focus on new", but I think there is value in the more focused seasonal model. I think WoW's implementation of it is specifically problematic though. The seasons are too long, the raids are too gigantic, and too little changes outside of the raids. if the are going to do seasonal as they have been, I'd like to see them adopt a model that is closer to Destiny 2, where the seasons are shorter, very focused, and rigidly scheduled.
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While changing up the dungeons a bit is nice in some ways... it doesn't really make a ton of sense. The reason given was to give new players / returning players equal footing at the start of a season, so that people who played the previous season don't have an advantage of mastering the dungeon.
But instead you're giving people who played the dungeon in M+ before an advantage. Which is likely a larger gap of time and therefore a bigger advantage.
It also means itemization is going to vary between seasons, unless you can change half the pieces into tier sets still. Some specs or classes will benefit arbitrarily from that. As well as trinkets, where one trinket in S1 might still be BIS in S2. They're committing to nerfing those, but, adding more stuff like that to deal with just seems bad.
They probably should take one loot table and reshuffle it between seasons across dungeons. Who cares if the item lore doesn't match up.
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I love the idea of random loot tables, especially since that would fix some issues like certain specs only wanting to do one specific dungeon because the others simply don't give them anything worth while other than contributing to their weekly box/vault/whatever. However, I can guarantee the folks who bitch non-stop about having to "re-grind" the same trinkets over and over again will be out in arms to protest no longer being able to re-grind their same trinket.
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i wasnt stating my preference, i was stating fact, wow LITERALY had seasons in TBC, even in name, its not opinion, its well known fact, if you deny that you are just ignoring history...
were they 100% tied to pve too? well, no, just about 90-95, as some of the items could be used in next seasons, which is possible now too, but "next" season always meant new raid, new ilvl cap, new sockets (not sure if always) and so on...
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The definition of "season" is not "new content comes out".
There is a meaningful difference between a season, which is when the floor gets raised in order to deprecate old content or otherwise reset players in some way, and simply releasing new content. These are not the same thing. There is a reason that classic calls them "phases" and not "seasons".
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Start should just be 8 new dungeons which are designed well enough and sprinkled with diverse affixes to make replayability good. Stuff like old m+ should just be added to timewalking, not the main slate. No one is excited for a 3rd season of Court of stars.
They aren't adding content. They are adding a difficulty slider / gimmicks to existing dungeons.
Looks to be the same lazy 4 dungeons for leveling and 4 more at max level.
As for M+, it was entertaining initially, but it just encourages burnout. I really despise the whole "Go Go Go!" attitude of this approach. If they are going to do a difficulty slider, at least don't put it on a timer.
Honestly, I highly disagree. I'd be happy if only 2 of the new dungeons were m+ and the rest were old content. Or, perhaps we should let all of those dungeons rot and never be used again instead? I think that sounds like a good idea.
Also, CoS is an extremely strong dungeon. In my eyes, anyway. All of Legion's dungeons were incredible, minus one or two lesser ones.
Or better yet, have a preferred list similar to battlegrounds. If you have a preferred expansion to do content from them just check that you would like that to be in your rotation. Then have a verification that your group mates also agree.
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They for all intents and purposes the same thing. Especially from BC on, normally a new tier of raids, a pvp season, and m+ have coincided.
In Vanilla, when a new raid came out, it didn't all but invalidate earlier raids. Just because Naxx more or less had the best gear available, didn't necessarily mean that the gear in MC was completely useless. Players still had to catch up on gear if they wanted to raid cutting edge content, and while some pieces were deprecated to some degree, it wasn't anywhere near the degree where there effectively became zero reasons to run the previous raid tier in more modern versions of WoW, with very few pieces/RNGforging being exceptions. This was also the case to a lesser extent in TBC as well, in no small part due to the elaborate attunement system the expansion brought with it. I'd say WotLK was when they really started to deprecate previous tiers through easy gear catchup, and the more modern concept of "seasons" more or less came to fruition.
M+ wasn't even added until 10 years after BC.
Season and "new content" are not the same thing.
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Do you think that the way TBC worked was that during the Sunwell patch, if you started the game right then, you hit max level, immediately got the gear to go into Sunwell, and then just did Sunwell? Or do you think you had to go do the old raids to gear up?
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