WarCraft III Megathread

[Ardenaso]

what a joke... and a bad one too

looks like the intent was kinda good but the implementation was just fucked up

The original change was supposed to be:

• Able to attack ground
• Barrage able to attack ground
• Armor change as done
• Fix level bug after upgrade as done
• No damage nerf

As it stands I'm not sure what the goal is.

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UPDATED DECEMBER 16

We’ve just updated the PTR with a new build.

Changelog

All updates are subject to further change. Please keep in mind that some of these changes are more experimental than others.

Balance

Altar Heroes

• Gold cost reduced from 425 to 400 on all altar heroes.

Orc

• Reverting Headhunter gold change from 160 back to 140.
• Blademaster Mirror images damage increased from 10 to 25% of the Blademaster’s base damage.
• Troll Batriders Liquid Fire no longer prevents repairs but now reduces the repair rate by 75%.
• Great Hall build time reduced from 150 to 135 seconds.
• Bladestorm cooldown reduced from 180 to 120 seconds.

Human

• Siege Engine armor changed from heavy to medium.
• Siege Engine damage reverted back from 22 to 44.
• Spellbreaker armor increased from 2 to 3.
• Blood Mage’s Siphon mana cost reverted from 20 back to 10.
• Blacksmith cost reduced from 50 to 40 lumber.
• Holy Light cooldown change reverted from 4 back to 5.
• Animal War Training no longer has Castle requirement.
• Staff of Sanctuary cost reduced from 250 to 200.
• Orb of Fire damage from +7 to +10.

Night Elf

• Druid of the Talon Crow Damage base damage reduced from 34 to 26.
• Reverting immolation damage change from 15/20/25 back to 10/15/20.

Undead

• Ghoul Frenzy change reverted no longer gives 30 HP bonus.
• Lich Frost Nova Damage reduced from 50/100/150 to 45/90/135.
• Haunted Goldmine build time increased from 100 to 120 seconds.
• Death Knight’s animated dead corpses are no longer dispellable.
• Obsidian Statue spirit touch mana restore reduced from 3 to 2.

Bugfixes

• Fixed inconsistent data between Headhunters and Berserkers.
• Fixed inconsistent data between Siege engine and its upgraded version.
• Fixed inconsistent data between Peasants and Militia.
• Fixed an issue where Disease Cloud was still using the old 90 duration instead of 75.
• FIxed an issue where Anti-Magic-Shield changes were not being applied.
• Fixed an issue with map selection and map folder states.

[Tenris]

Well those siege engine changes lasted long, It's almost as if no one bothered testing them

The great hall reduce build time is nice, maybe Orc can finally expand a bit quicker

[Flurryfang]

So.... These updates for the WC3 are nice and all, but have you seen the WC3 mod, that have been made for Starcraft 2 by Synergy? O.o

Its like what an actual update/reforge of WC3 would have been like, with more responsive units, being able to control more than 12 units, the option to turn Upkeep off/on and even a better campaign overall.

It really is amazing what 1 person have done compared to what an entire company could not. I highly recommned people try it out if they are interested, its really good :O

[Tenris]

So.... These updates for the WC3 are nice and all, but have you seen the WC3 mod, that have been made for Starcraft 2 by Synergy? O.o

Its like what an actual update/reforge of WC3 would have been like, with more responsive units, being able to control more than 12 units, the option to turn Upkeep off/on and even a better campaign overall.

It really is amazing what 1 person have done compared to what an entire company could not. I highly recommned people try it out if they are interested, its really good :O

Is it on the arcade? If it is, do you have the name of it?

[Reinhart11]

So.... These updates for the WC3 are nice and all, but have you seen the WC3 mod, that have been made for Starcraft 2 by Synergy? O.o

Its like what an actual update/reforge of WC3 would have been like, with more responsive units, being able to control more than 12 units, the option to turn Upkeep off/on and even a better campaign overall.

It really is amazing what 1 person have done compared to what an entire company could not. I highly recommned people try it out if they are interested, its really good :O

Modders can often times put more passion and love into a mod. No managers and shareholders who bother them.

The Warcraft 2 Mod for Warcraft 3 Reforged looks pretty promising as well.

[Flurryfang]

Is it on the arcade? If it is, do you have the name of it?

It should be avalible on the Arcade or else you should be able to download it on Synergy's map-maker discord

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Modders can often times put more passion and love into a mod. No managers and shareholders who bother them.

The Warcraft 2 Mod for Warcraft 3 Reforged looks pretty promising as well.

Its true, that passion is often find in a much higher amount when it comes to modders, but that is something companies can imitate with sheer amount of resourses.

Its just insane how good these Warcraft remakes have been done by just using what is already there in SC2. One guy have managed to this over 1½ year. Just imagine what an entire small team from Blizzard could have done in the same time, if they had the same scope? O.o

Blizzard have had large success with small teams, like with Heartstone and HoTs, its a shame they did not do the same with WC3 by just using the tools already avalible in SC2.

[sam86]

Modders can often times put more passion and love into a mod. No managers and shareholders who bother them.

The Warcraft 2 Mod for Warcraft 3 Reforged looks pretty promising as well.

because like gaming companies when they started before capitalism monotized (fucked) everything for max profit with zero soul
how many of current activision-blizzard employees actually care about wow so much that they pay for it, not use it as means to get money to live?
u can hate Metzen or love him, but no deny he poured his heart and soul to create warcraft and starcraft (no idea how involved he is in diablo), heck i bet u care about wow more than half of current (yes even current) team since u passion for it so much u talk about it all time even online, while for them it is a 9-5 job to get a paycheck and done

[Ardenaso]

Well those siege engine changes lasted long, It's almost as if no one bothered testing them

The great hall reduce build time is nice, maybe Orc can finally expand a bit quicker

personally I'd make the tanks deal like 40-50 siege damage but with much slower attack speed and two passive abilities: one to make them deal 1.5x damage to all buildings (not just fortified) and another to make their attacks knock back enemies hit

about orcs, the extra total 75% damage from Illusions is quite scary; now Samuro will just run straight to your base and send illusions to do extra harass to workers

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The Warcraft 2 Mod for Warcraft 3 Reforged looks pretty promising as well.

it may be hampered as one of their modelers (and perhaps the only HD modeler who actually knows stuff on buildings) is Ukrainian and is in refuge of another country

anyway, if you like it please donate to their patreon so that they could keep going further

[Ardenaso]

[Ardenaso]

updated january 5

ptr build 19805

we’ve just updated the ptr with a new build. Reminder: All updates are subject to change. Please keep in mind that some of these changes are more experimental than others.

balance

general

reverted tavern revive cost 5% increase.

Orc

reverted headhunter lumber cost from 30 to 20.
Headhunter build time increased from 20 to 22 seconds.
Blademaster mirror images damage increased from 10 to 15% of the blademaster’s base damage.
Great hall build time reduced from 150 to 140 seconds.
Brute strength bonus reduced from 150 to 125 hp.
Farseer feral spirit mana cost increased from 75 to 85.
Farseer chain lighting mana cost was reduced from 120 to 110.

Human

siege engine armor reverted back to fortify.
Siege engine targeting change reverted back to only structures.
Animal war training reverted back to having castle requirement.
Orb of fire damage reduced from +10 to +5.
Orb of fire cost reduced from 325 to 250.

Night elf

immolation mana drain per tick increased from 5 to 6.
Immolation damage was reduced from 10/15/20 to 8/12/18.
Druid of the talon crow form mana cost reduced from 50 to 25
druid of the claw starting mana reduced from 125 to 100

undead

lich frost nova damage reverted back to 50/100/150
lich frost nova now has a damage cap of 400/800/1200 (8 units)
lich dark ritual cooldown increased from 15 seconds to 25 seconds
haunted goldmine build time reduced from 120 to 110 seconds

items

circlet of nobility toggle functionality change reverted (will give +2 to all stats again)
wand of mana steal reduced from 75 to 65

improvements and bugfixes

added additional zoom levels (1750,2100,2250)
can now view other players’ profiles from arranged match history
fixed an issue where if you zoomed out too far on specific maps the player would lose visibility
fixed an issue where quitting a singleplayer game sends the player to the load saved games
fixed an issue where saving a custom campaign resets string data
fixed an issue with custom campaign loading screen text being misaligned
fixed an issue where the custom game list names bleed into the ping category
fixed an issue where the editor would crash upon saving a campaign without a map opened
fixed an issue where the world editor would crash when editing the damage/defense table

[Ardenaso]

Warcraft III: Reforged PTR – Version 1.35.0 Build 19836

Today, we applied Build 19836 to the PTR, which we intend to be our final iteration on balance for 1.35.

The Warcraft III development team is now focused on bug fixing.

Please keep in mind that when patch 1.35 goes live, all ladder ranks will be reset for the new season and players will play their placement matches.

Thank you for continuing this journey with us!

New Changes in this Build

General

• Revive Time Factor reduced from 0.65 to 0.6.

Orc

• Blademaster Mirror images now give XP.

Human

• Mortar Team HP reverted from 380 to 360.

Night Elf

• Keeper of the grove entangle duration increased from 9/18/30 to 9/17/25.
• Immolation initial mana cost reduced from 35 to 30.

Undead

• Frost Nova damage cap reverted.
• Dark Ritual cooldown reduced from 25 to 20 seconds.
• Dark Ritual mana return reduced from 33/66/100 to 30/50/75.

Bugfixes:

• Fixed an issue with models and textures not loading properly when switching between different custom maps, and graphics.

Bugfixes & Improvements

• Fixed an issue with models and textures not loading properly when switching between different custom maps, and graphics.
• Added additional zoom levels (1750,2100,2250).
• Fixed an issue where if you zoomed out too far on specific maps the player would lose visibility.
• Can now view other players’ profiles from arranged match history.
• Fixed an issue where quitting a singleplayer game sends the player to the load saved games.
• Fixed an issue where saving a custom campaign resets string data.
• Fixed an issue with custom campaign loading screen text being misaligned.
• Fixed an issue where the custom game list names bleed into the ping category.
• Fixed an issue where the editor would crash upon saving a campaign without a map opened.
• Fixed an issue where the world editor would crash when editing the damage/defense table.
• Removed the character requirement for report description.
• Fixed an issue where clan ranks were visually displayed incorrectly.
• Added notification indicator when receiving a social request.
• Fixed an issue with leaderboards not updating.
• Fixed occasional crashes when loading into a map with high object counts.
• Fixed custom campaigns specific crash upon reloading into the campaign map.
• Fixed disc space error when trying to start a custom campaign mission.
• Fixed variable difficulty flag not being respected on custom campaigns.
• Fixed campaign thumbnail in editor not displaying.
• Player Profile: Viewing another player’s profile would occasionally display that they are a member of your clan even if they are not.
• Prevented loading of custom campaigns named the same as official campaigns to prevent save stomping.
• Fixed an issue where players where the client would freeze changing zones in the Founding of Durotar Campaign.

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1.35 is gonna be released soon

[Efcharisto]

So depressing.

[Ardenaso]

So depressing.

it's being fixed bit by bit, we have custom campaigns now!

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Warcraft III: Reforged Patch 1.35.0 Notes – January 19

Warcraft III: Reforged Patch Notes
Version 1.35.0 Build 19844
January 19, 2023

Patch 1.35.0 features:

Custom Campaigns
Balance update
Map Pool updates
Leaderboard fixes
Season Roll updates
Additional improvements and bug fixes
Thank you to all community content creators for creating new maps and updating old maps!

Custom Campaigns

Players can now download Custom Campaigns to play or create their own.

• Some Custom Campaigns can be played using either Reforged or Classic art.
• Reworked frontend menu. Campaigns are now located under the “Single Player” menu.
• Custom campaigns now track the difficulty a mission was completed on.
• “Load saved game” menu can now reload custom campaign save files.
• Added informational prompt to show users where to install campaign files to.
• Added “Is Cinematic” option to the campaign editor to change campaign buttons to use the camera thumbnail instead of difficulty progression.
• Added campaign thumbnail preview support to Reforged.
• Added ambient sound support to Reforged.
• Added WebM support for campaign backgrounds. For legacy custom campaigns that previously used 3D backgrounds, a WebM can be used to replace that background in the WebUI.
• Custom campaign list menu now auto-refreshes upon resuming game window focus.
• Added support for custom movies in Warcraft III/Movies. This is file format dependent, a VP9 encoded AVI file, with an MP3 for audio in Warcraft III/Movies/Audio.
• Added Friends presence support for Custom Campaigns.
• Updated default campaign backgrounds to reforged style.
• Added user presence for Custom Campaigns
• Added rich/color formatted text support to custom campaign menus.

Ranked Play

• The Season will roll on January 19, 2023 when Patch 1.35.0 goes live. We initially plan for this season to last one year, but we may adjust the end date based on player feedback.
• MMR for all races and modes will be reset during the season rollover.
• Players will begin the new season with placement matches.
• Updated the Map Pool in 1v1,2v2,4v4 and FFA.
• Leaderboard caching has been updated to be more responsive.
• The Leaderboard will now update correctly.

Balance
This balance update began with a wide range of changes the team wished to test – some more experimental than others. Our approach to this patch was to first take a look at various community feedback with the goal of diversifying strategy and reducing frustration. We then watched and read a community posts, and we played a great deal of multiplayer matches on the ladder with player feedback in mind. We then analyzed game data.

To find out what ultimately would work, we put many changes into a PTR build as early as possible, and then playtested and calibrated further.

Regarding the Siege Engine rework, we wished to experiment with giving the unit an alternative role other than merely killing buildings (in 1v1). Ultimately, it ended up overlapping too much with other Human units, and due to the loss of its Fortify armor, became less unique. We may revisit the Siege Engine at another time.

We want to thank all the community members who put their time and energy into providing feedback during the PTR. We read your online posts and watched your videos, and found it all very helpful.

General

• All Altar Heroes gold cost were reduced from 425 to 400.
• Revive Time Factor reduced from 0.65 to 0.6.
• Now: 33s / 66s / 99s / 110s (was 36s / 72s / 107s / 110s)

Human

• Blacksmith lumber cost reduced from 60 to 40.
• Peasant HP increased from 230 to 240.
• Spellbreaker armor increased from 2 to 3.
• Control Magic requirement changed from T2 to T3.
• Siphon Mana Drain rate reduced from 15/30/45 to 15/25/40.
• Polymorph cost reduced from 220 mana to 200 mana.
• Mechanical Critter sight range increased from 350 to 500.
• Siege Engine barrage damage increased from 14 to 16.
• Siege Engine no longer decreases in unit level when getting the barrage upgrade.
• Mass Teleport Cooldown increased from 20 to 30 seconds.
• Staff of Sanctuary cost reduced from 250 to 200.
• Orb of Fire damage reduced from +7 to +5.
• Orb of Fire cost reduced from 325 to 250.

Orc

• Headhunter build time increased from 20 to 22 seconds.
• Blademaster Mirror images now do 15% of the Blademaster’s base damage .
• Blademaster Mirror images now give XP relative to their level (Lvl 1: 12xp / Lvl 2: 20xp / Lvl 3: 30xp / Lvl 4: 42xp / Lvl 5: 57xp / Lvl 6: 75xp).
• Troll Batriders Liquid Fire no longer prevents repairs but now reduces the repair rate by 75% .
• Endurance Aura movement speed bonus reduced from 0.1/0.2/0.3 to 0.1/0.15/0.2.
• Stasis Trap activation delay reduced from 9 to 7 seconds.
• Brute Strength bonus increased from 100 to 125 HP.
• Bladestorm cooldown reduced from 180 to 120 seconds.
• Great Hall build time reduced from 150 to 140 seconds.

Night Elf

• Tranquility cooldown increased from 60 seconds to 120 seconds.
• Starfall cooldown reduced from 180 seconds to 120 seconds.
• Starfall mana cost reduced from 200 to 150 mana.
• Entangle duration on units reduced from 9/18/30 to 9/17/25.
• Thorn Aura increased from 0.1/0.2/0.3 to 0.15/0.30/0.45.
• Mountain Giants now start with +2 armor.
• Harden Skin damage reduction reduced from 12 to 8.
• Ultravision now requires tier 2.
• Immolation mana drain reduced from 7 to 6.
• Immolation damage interval reduced from 1 to 0.5 seconds.
• Immolation damage was reduced from 10/15/20 to 8/12/180 (16/24/36 DPS).
• Immolation mana cost reduced from 35 to 30 (Activision Cost: 20 Mana Required: 10).
• Druid of the Talon Crow form now does piercing damage.
• Druid of the Talon Crow Damage base damage reduced from 34 to 26.
• Druid of the Talon crow form mana cost reduced from 50 to 25.
• Druid of the Claw starting mana reduced from 125 to 100.

Undead

• Anti-Magic Shield can now receive the same summon magic damage inflicted by dispel, purge, and abolish magic.
• Unholy Aura movement speed bonus reduced from 0.1/0.175/0.25 to 0.1/0.15/0.2.
• Animated Dead corpses can now be killable and have diseased cloud if researched.
• Death Knight’s animated dead corpses are no longer dispellable.
• Disease cloud reduced from 90 to 75 seconds.
• Obsidian Statue level increased from 2 to 3.
• Obsidian Statue spirit touch mana restore reduced from 3 to 2.
• Haunted Goldmine build time increased from 100 to 110 seconds.
• Dark Ritual cooldown reduced from 25 to 20 seconds.
• Dark Ritual mana return reduced from 33/66/100 to 33/55/80.

Items

• Wand of Illusion reduced from 3 to 2 charges.
• Wand of Mana increases mana steal from 50 to 65.
• Legion Doom-Horn movement speed bonus reduced from 0.075 to 0.05.
• Ancient Janggo of Endurance speed bonus reduced from 0.075 to 0.05.

Bugfixes and Improvements

• Fixed an issue where early leavers could result in unprocessed matches.
• Fixed an issue with models and textures not loading properly when switching between different custom maps, and graphics.
• Added additional zoom levels (1750,2100,2250).
• Fixed an issue where if you zoomed out too far on specific maps the player would lose visibility.
• Can now view other players’ profiles from arranged match history.
• Fixed an issue where quitting a singleplayer game sends the player to the load saved games.
• Fixed an issue where saving a custom campaign resets string data.
• Fixed an issue with custom campaign loading screen text being misaligned.
• Fixed an issue where the custom game list names bleed into the ping category.
• Fixed an issue where the editor would crash upon saving a campaign without a map opened.
• Fixed an issue where the world editor would crash when editing the damage/defense table.
• Removed the character requirement for report description.
• Fixed an issue where clan ranks were visually displayed incorrectly.
• Added notification indicator when receiving a social request.
• Fixed an issue with leaderboards not updating.
• Fixed occasional crashes when loading into a map with high object counts.
• Fixed a custom campaigns crash upon reloading into the campaign map.
• Fixed disc space error when trying to start a custom campaign mission.
• Fixed variable difficulty flag not being respected on custom campaigns.
• Fixed campaign thumbnail in editor not displaying.
• Fixed a Player Profile issue where viewing another player’s profile would occasionally display that they are a member of your clan even if they are not.
• Prevented loading of custom campaigns named the same as official campaigns to prevent save stomping.
• Fixed an issue where players where the client would freeze changing zones in the Founding of Durotar Campaign.

[Efcharisto]

it's being fixed bit by bit, we have custom campaigns now!

Well, that's good, at least.

[Ardenaso]

[Ardenaso]

[Hawkknight97]

I'm looking back at Warcraft 3 Reforged and I'm like damn What the Hell Happened? Tons of Stuff that was promised but was never made or delivered.

My only hope is that when Microsoft or atleast the Fans fix the Campaigns along with set Lore Human Kingdoms, Orc Clans, Tons of missing Lore Characters, and etc. I'm hoping Warcraft 3 Reforged gets the better treatment like Diablo 2 HD was with Better HD Cinematics, Starcraft like Campaigns, Races like Blood Elves, Naga, Burning Legion, Draenei, and etc and tons of stuff I think would save Warcraft 3 from the ruined grave.

All I'm waiting for now is hoping the Chronicles of the Second War Team finally finish up the Warcraft 2 Orc Campaign so that many others and I can enjoy playing it like the very first time of a true warcraft hd title.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I'm looking back at Warcraft 3 Reforged and I'm like damn What the Hell Happened? Tons of Stuff that was promised but was never made or delivered.

My only hope is that when Microsoft or atleast the Fans fix

I think if Microsoft deal goes through, W3 Reforged will be one of the first games that would appear on gamepass, so maybe they will do something with it.

There was this survey sent in january i think that was asking questions about some soft reboot of W3 Reforged, i wonder what happened with that and if they actually will do it.

From what i remember many models and such were outsourced in W3Reforged, i would like at least when it comes to art department for more "warcrafty" feel to models in game and not ultra realistic, i liked it for a while before game launched, but the new art doesn't feel "warcrafty" enough, if it makes sense.

[chiddie]

I think if Microsoft deal goes through, W3 Reforged will be one of the first games that would appear on gamepass, so maybe they will do something with it.

There was this survey sent in january i think that was asking questions about some soft reboot of W3 Reforged, i wonder what happened with that and if they actually will do it.

From what i remember many models and such were outsourced in W3Reforged, i would like at least when it comes to art department for more "warcrafty" feel to models in game and not ultra realistic, i liked it for a while before game launched, but the new art doesn't feel "warcrafty" enough, if it makes sense.

WC3 (and basically whatever rts) is unplayable with a joypad (thus a “useless” title for console players), I don’t know if it’ll make to the gamepass honestly.

[Triceron]

I'm just baffled that they didn't use the HotS artstyle.

I would have loved them to use the HOTS style instead. It was the perfect look, and they already had plenty of skin options. Some of the Heroes would have fit perfectly.