If wrongly accused, I would demand justice...
...in a trial by combat against my accuser.
I can finally used the spiked metal glove I've been hiding under my mattress all these years.
You're correct no one goes to jail, rather they're expelled (Or suspended) on the basis of recommendations from their peers and are out of pocket for tens of thousands; And isn't a legitimate ruling of guilt at all, rather a reactionary measure of punishment to safeguard their reputation until the true legal case is addressed in due course.
I find the tone of this thread disturbing.
99% of you are using the word 'he' (when using a pronoun) when talking about rapists. For a forum that considers itself progressive and forward thinking, I find the word usage and inferences herein both ignorant and backwards.
When you're trying to argue morality, try being equal first.
I think I've had enough of removing avatars today that feature girls covered in semen. Closing.
-Darsithis
OK, but what if the accuser is mistaken? Many police practices increase the likelihood of mistaken accusations, so why should the accuser be punished in those cases? Why does this apply only to rape? Why can't I sue the accuser if I'm acquitted of grand theft auto? This sounds like trying to solve a very small subset of a much larger problem by attacking the easiest acceptable target.
Edit: My point is, if you want to avoid false accusations, we should probably clean up the accusing process, rather than threatening victims with litigation.
Being super anal about equality gets equality ignored.
Its like those few feminists that say "no its womYN not womEN"!
Again, if the accused is innocent they should be able to recoup the costs of the expulsion and social condemnation/ defamation afforded to them; If that means suing the accuser... then who knows?
I'd much rather the accuser would be made exempt or at least require intention of ill will before being able to be sued.
It's a nasty can of worms.
I'd prefer the accuser to be exempt as a default and the university to be held much more accountable, but i'm just an 18 year old fuckwit with no legal training; I can't make any convincing argument here or there as i'm split on the issue.
I can 100% say I would rather be anally violated than have my life ruined by a false rape charge. I would make that decision on the spot.
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What % makes it ok to assume that defacto, it is men causing all the problems? Sexism much?
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And most false accusers are female. That isn't the point here. Equality is an all the time thing, not a when it's convenient thing.
OT: Legal retribution in the case of a false accusation would obviously be handled by a real court, not a school arbitration. So this point is largely moot, the burden of proof would be on the prosecutor to prove that they DIDN'T rape someone. Therefore, by attempting to recoup losses, the accused rapist is essentially putting themselves BACK on trial, in a real court.
Sounds like a win for everyone.
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I think I've had enough of removing avatars today that feature girls covered in semen. Closing.
-Darsithis
I walked away from my rape, was able to get a job, finish my degree, continue my life. You people with such heavy-handed opinions who have never come close to experiencing what rape actually is need to attempt to think from a different perspective.
Imagine being brutalized sexually against your will. Imagine having no say in what's being done to you. Imagine feeling powerless, victimized, dirty, and defeated. These feelings dissipate after the act and over time. You learn to cope, or you don't. It didn't keep me from finishing my degree, getting a job, or continuing my life. I was raped. I love my life.
Imagine being falsely accused of a crime. Imagine it's a crime that carries the power of punishment upon accusation. Imagine having no say in what's being done to you. Imagine feeling powerless, victimized, dirty, and defeated. They learn to cope, or they don't. It keeps them from finishing their degree, getting a job, and potentially continuing their life. Falsely accused rapists who literally did nothing but pick the wrong girl have their lives taken from them.
I was raped. Please tell me I'm unreasonable.
Remember: Words are not violence.Make your own groups!!!
99% of rapes are committed by men, 91% of rape victims are women
(the last bullet point on page 2)
I think I've had enough of removing avatars today that feature girls covered in semen. Closing.
-Darsithis