There is still flex? Everyone moved on to normal / heroic
Unfortunately not everyone is geared enough to do normal/heroic Myself and a friend are not in a raiding guild and gearing up alts and things go like this
LFR (Timeless Isle + PvP gear)
Flex (530+)
Normal (555+)
Heroic (I assume 570?)
That is how it has roughly been so far in Openraid, oQ and trade chat. Mind you I have gotten into groups with lower ilvl requirements but that seems to be how things are for us. We essentially have to fully outgear the place before we can do it, luckily my alt shaman gets more leeway
To the OP, I feel bad for you but I have only had good experiences with my pug Flex groups :-\
I'm sorry OP! That sounds like a nightmare. I was in a bad flex4, after two wipes I realized that the group was shit and me staying would only make me crazy so i just left and played GTA online and ni no kuni lol. Don't let bads ruin your day.
90% of the people in this game are bad. In a 25 man group you'll maybe get 2 or 3 people that can outshine everyone else in their role, the rest are just dead weight.
Well low skill is kinda common in gaming and in this game in particular. I still think that my usual experience isn't that bad even in pure random groups from that lfg tool.
That is exactly why I can't progress my alts properly. I just don't have the patience of spending half of a day wiping on Flex/LFR.
Mm, took you a while. Mine's been lost for many years, ever since I started running into guild leveling groups in lowbie dungeon runs while leveling alts. People will be assholes for the sheer pleasure of being assholes, and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it. Accept it, embrace it.
I rarely have trouble with flex, but i rarely have pugs with all complete strangers. just take a core of friends, add some people from their or your friendlist and if you still miss a few then go to open raid to get the last few. Never run into much trouble that way, always get boosted pr boost a few guildies that way.
The game is just too complex for most raiders. It's already a blessing when they actually know their own class and roughly the encounter mechanics - those people are heroic raiders in most cases (not some 8/14 but at least the 12/14hc crowd)... Most people in normal and flex are very clueless. Alone on siegecrafter (in pugs) I always realize how poor peoples knowledge about the class's expertise are (belts, mines...), what raidcooldowns are available and when to use them or how damage works (single target multi target damage priorities). Many of those people even read logs for hours without ever reading it correct / understanding what they read / focus on minor stuff ignoring major. Did you ever try asking your pug raidleader why to do damage stop on naz ? It's awesome. Or why the unholy dk is assigned for belts, why using the chosen side on garrosh p1 and so on. It's just pitiful...
But tank god for all the videos and guides. Just copy it 1:1 even after 8 months, do some randoms stuff about parts you do not remember and thanks to high itemlevel everything dies nonetheless
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When it comes to threads like this I always think people are focusing on the negative runs and are totally forgetting all of the positive smooth runs they have had.
I have never had any problems with Flex on any of my alts or when I join on my main for OS trinkets. quality of pugs in my experience is as follows Openraid(event)>Openraid (chat)>Raid browser>oqueue>trade. Although I rarely list myself in raid browser I just look for groups listed and whisper them but I've gotten invited to decent groups while being listed as well. Only problem with listing yourself is that you tend to be spam invite without any whispers and it feels like nobody reads your comment.
On fresh alts I tend to just download the plugin for oqueue that lets me change my ilvl just to get past retarded restrictions because I know I will most likely outperform people of that ilvl. If I have the energy for it I just make my own flex raid, Post in openraid, trade, make a oqueue event and whisper a few people in raid browser and you got a group in no time.
Once you get into harder content the raid browser is very limited...You might find someone that is looking for normals listed in it but it's very rare so I tend to just stick to openraid and oqueue. I had a few bad groups on oqueue that just falls apart and filled with Russians that don't speak English and have names that mess up your UI. But most groups I join on oqueue gets the job done pretty quickly but again just fake your ilvl and join the higher ilvl req ones because once your in the group nobody cares if you have shit ilvl.
I have a mage alt that I joined openraid events for HC SoO multiple weeks in a row and I can say that most events with a exp leader is very good and almost always clears what they promise. I even joined a chat pug from openraid that cleared 6 bosses on HC but they don't really match up to the quality you get from event pugs. I've seen many events for 14hc but so far I only done 12 hc in a pug so far.
Only problem with openraid events is that it can be a bit tough to get accepted you generally need to be a few days early or for the big SoO runs you almost need to sign a week in advanced to have a chance for a spot. Some runs even require you to have X hcs down on the alt you are joining with even if you have a 14 hc main but once you get into one you can pretty much just join the same one week after week if you showed up and did decent damage
37 + (3*7) + (3*7)W/L/T/Death count: Wolf: 0/1/0/1 | Mafia: 1/6/0/7 | TPR: 0/4/1/5SK: 0/1/0/1 | VT: 2/5/2/7 | Cult: 1/0/0/1
A couple of days ago I joined a pug for normal 10 man garrosh, we killed him on the first attempt with 9 people, so there are still nice surprises to be had.
I think the bigger problem is people thinking the WoW community consists solely of people from dungeon/raid finder and pugs. Of course the better players are going to stick to proper organised guild raids for their main raiding needs (this even goes for stuff like flex). I know that sucks for people that don't have much choice other than to run stuff like flex but it is what it is sadly.
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Believe it. My Mage was 573 and the other who had joined our guild was 571....I was consistently doing 100k-150k more dps then him...which means he was doing the equivalent DPS of someone who was 30 ilvl's below his and my level. Why? He didn't know how to play the class. He was using nether tempest on every single fight and he was only putting it on 1 target...and even then he wouldn't keep it up 100% of the time. That's a LOT of missed DPS. He said he was originally a DK tank but had to switched to his mage and his former guild carried him to 570+ ilvl. So while ilvl isn't everything it is still meaningful. A skilled player in 570 ilvl is going to destroy a skilled player in 550 ilvl because his gear is more powerful. Where as a 550 skilled player will destroy a 570 ilvl player who has no clue what they are doing.