Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[PhaelixWW]

Maybe because $1.95B is an incredibly compelling incentive to speed development? Hmmmm.

How utterly and ridiculously hilarious.

Do you actually believe that the incentive was to speed development? Do you actually think that any vaccine-manufacturing company needs any incentive to speed development? Do you think any vaccine-manufacturing company is worried about having enough buyers should they be the first to come out with a well-tested and -regarded vaccine?

No, lol.

That $2B purchase order isn't an incentive to speed development, because no incentive is needed; it's just the US calling dibs.

[Zan15]

OWS is working and it's a damn good strategy....Pfizer is just the beginning. Deal with it.

Throwing money at everyone is not a damn good strat.

its like betting on all 30 baseball teams then claiming you did great because you picked all the winners.

and then take credit for the Steelers winning because of your bet on the 30 baseball teams.



p.s they also fired the guy running the distribution side of the program.

[Felya]

Pfizer has specifically stated that they have NOT recieved money from operation No gellar fields warp speed.

A good strategy, even though we don’t know what the strategy limits there are. It’s why I brought up the temperature. The reply was to mock me because they are working on it... ignoring that he is saying it’s a good strategy, even though they a started working on it this week and they don’t know what it is yet... how is it a good strategy? Shouldn’t we know what it is first?

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She said they received no money from the US government for RESEARCH. She never denied that Pfizer made a deal the US government that was related to our OWS strategy.

We really need to do a better job of teaching context and reading comprehension in our schools.

They have not received any money from government. Stop it...

We need to teach better at school? You don’t approve of Trump’s Betsy?

[DocSavageFan]

Throwing money at everyone is not a damn good strat.

its like betting on all 30 baseball teams then claiming you did great because you picked all the winners.

and then take credit for the Steelers winning because of your bet on the 30 baseball teams.



p.s they also fired the guy running the distribution side of the program.

Do Democrats have a better plan? I must have missed it.

[Felya]

Do Democrats have a better plan? I must have missed it.

Biden even has his staff ready... not a single relative... not a single lobbyist... not a single big money elite donors. Here is the plan Biden put out on Monday:

https://joebiden.com/covid19/

All of them are named Dr... I do admit that is strange...

[DocSavageFan]

Fauci said that was his estimate, though others had more varying timelines - https://www.livescience.com/coronavi...-timeline.html

And based on comments from Azar - https://time.com/5902460/covid-19-vaccines-spring-2021/
And Fauci - https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/20...v-lead-vpx.cnn

The vaccine will likely be broadly available publicly by April 2021. Which is...within that 12 month window.

Because the vaccine isn't going straight into the public, there are still more steps before that - https://www.cnet.com/how-to/will-a-c...-what-to-know/

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/31/us/co...nvs/index.html
The timetable for a coronavirus vaccine is 18 months. Experts say that's risky

Ever since, that estimate of 12-18 months has become gospel, its appearance in media stories ubiquitous. But medical experts and scientists with firsthand experience developing vaccines are skeptical.

"Tony Fauci is saying a year to 18 months -- I think that's optimistic," said Dr. Peter Hotez, a leading expert on infectious disease and vaccine development at Baylor College of Medicine. "Maybe if all the stars align, but probably longer."

Dr. Paul Offit, the co-inventor of the successful rotavirus vaccine, put it more bluntly.
"When Dr. Fauci said 12 to 18 months, I thought that was ridiculously optimistic," he told CNN. "And I'm sure he did, too."

[Lenonis]

Last April, the experts told us 12 months minimum and likely 18+ months as an optimistic timeline for developing a vaccine for COVID.

And we're tracking to that timeline so I'm not sure what your point is?

[Hadriker]

She said they received no money from the US government for RESEARCH. She never denied that Pfizer made a deal the US government that was related to our OWS strategy.

We really need to do a better job of teaching context and reading comprehension in our schools.

They haven't received any money. Jesus Christ.

https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/...9-vaccine.html

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense (DoD) today announced an agreement with U.S.-based Pfizer Inc. for large-scale production and nationwide delivery of 100 million doses of a COVID-19 vaccine in the United States following the vaccine’s successful manufacture and approval.

All that says is they've got a couple billion dollars earmarked to help speed up the MFG IF they are successful in producing a vaccine.

No money has exchanged hands at this point

also from the same source

Pfizer is collaborating with BioNTech, a German biotechnology company, to develop COVID-19 investigational vaccines without U.S. government financial support.

Stop with the bullshit already.

[Lenonis]

They haven't received any money. Jesus Christ.

Look how he phrased what you are replying to. He knows he's wrong here and he's playing semantic games to try to goad someone into getting an infraction. We just need the mods to hurry up and take action against his posts and we can move on.

[DocSavageFan]

Biden even has his staff ready... not a single relative... not a single lobbyist... not a single big money elite donors. Here is the plan Biden put out on Monday:

https://joebiden.com/covid19/

All of them are named Dr... I do admit that is strange...

How does Item 4 significantly deviate from OWS? Be specific.

[Edge-]

She said they received no money from the US government for RESEARCH. She never denied that Pfizer made a deal the US government that was related to our OWS strategy.

We really need to do a better job of teaching context and reading comprehension in our schools.

We were never part of the Warp Speed.

So again, is Pfizer's senior vice president and head of vaccine research and development, Kathrin Jansen, lying, or not?

[beanman12345]

They have not received any money from government. Stop it...

We need to teach better at school? You don’t approve of Trump’s Betsy?

To be pedantic Pfizer has not received govt money. Their partner, BioNTech, who's played critical part in creating this vaccine has received money. But not US govt money but from the German Govt to the tune of ~ 500mfor development and manufacturing.

[Zan15]

Do Democrats have a better plan? I must have missed it.

Sorry but whom is president right now? Who's "plan" are we talking about?

Your deflection is cute when you get cornered.




https://buildbackbetter.com/priorities/covid-19/

Sure seems like they are starting with their plan that would push us several steps farther than TrumpDenial-sim plan has.

Not to mention that he has his task force already in place to start releasing details of his plan and next steps, but good old Trumpy and party won't even give them access to anything, not even email addresses.

You can even go back to the house democratic bills for how much more they wanted to throw at COVID that the republican senate and trumpy refused to support.

So ya...sure looks better on the surface

[DocSavageFan]

So again, is Pfizer's senior vice president and head of vaccine research and development, Kathrin Jansen, lying, or not?

I already responded to your post...did you not understand it?

[Belize]

We really need to do a better job of teaching context and reading comprehension in our schools.

Clearly, because you're still missing the mark and misinterpreting your own links.

[Edge-]

I already responded to your post...did you not understand it?

You didn't respond to that question. You keep talking about the money, and talking around that issue rather than addressing it directly.

So again: Is the Pfizer head of vaccine research and development lying when she says the company is not a part of OWS.

This is a simple yes or no question, but you can add whatever you want to get to 10 characters in your response.

[beanman12345]

I already responded to your post...did you not understand it?

Do you understand what OWS even is?

[DocSavageFan]

You didn't respond to that question. You keep talking about the money, and talking around that issue rather than addressing it directly.

So again: Is the Pfizer head of vaccine research and development lying when she says the company is not a part of OWS.

This is a simple yes or no question, but you can add whatever you want to get to 10 characters in your response.

Holy shit! I don't think she's lying and I can't believe that I have to spell this out for you. My response stands.

"She said they received no money from the US government for RESEARCH. She never denied that Pfizer made a deal the US government that was related to our OWS strategy.

We really need to do a better job of teaching context and reading comprehension in our schools."

[Belize]

Do you understand what OWS even is?

Obviously it's where they throw money at companies and then companies are like "wow, that's a lot of money, thanks, now we can work faster, because this is how things work".

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Holy shit! I don't think she's lying and I can't believe that I have to spell this out for you. My response stands.

"She said they received no money from the US government for RESEARCH. She never denied that Pfizer made a deal the US government that was related to our OWS strategy.

We really need to do a better job of teaching context and reading comprehension in our schools."

You keep trying to weasel out of answering directly.

Pathetic.

[PhaelixWW]

It's not even that OWS is a bad thing; it's just not enough of a good thing.

OWS is pretty much the bare minimum of what a first-world country should be doing in the face of a pandemic, but the Trump Administration isn't really looking for ways to handle this pandemic the way they should; they're just looking for enough of a blanket to attempt to fool the gullible-minded into believing that they deserve credit where credit isn't due.

Which is why it's hilarious, but not unexpected, to find certain people here shilling for the idea that a pre-order amounts to political credit for the vaccine.