1. #40441
    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    LOL, he just called Murdoch's newspaper, the Wallstreet Journal, fake news. Wonder how Murdoch is going to respond to that.
    He's called Fox News fake news too, especially their polling because it's never favorable to him. 99% of Fox is favorable to him, but when it isn't, it's fake news. Especially when that Shepperd guy used to work there.

  2. #40442
    Quote Originally Posted by Dacien View Post
    AOC out there doing her best "Look at me I'm still important don't forget me" act on the House floor.

    https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1243549110180941824


    I'd post this in the "Democrat Sh*tshow thread", but we don't have that, so it's going here.
    So you admit to posting off topic while complaining that someone is actually doing their job. What's the point of this post again?

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  3. #40443
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    Signing statements allow him some level of power to do this, yes. I'm not sure the legality of all these moves specifically, but they do allow the president the ability to make limited alterations to legislation that pass their disk.

    This is another thing that I doubt anyone expected presidents to abuse that Trump seems more than happy to abuse.
    House and Senate do not have to reconfirm?

    I mean the stuff he wants to change is obviously an important part for the Dems

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inuyaki View Post
    I don't understand what exactly will happen now tbh
    Trump didn't use the word "veto". He can't. The US has no line-item veto.

    He just said "I see this law, I sign this law, I'm just not going to follow it." Trump considers himself without oversight, and even though the restrictions were a major part of the Democrats getting on board, he's going to ignore those restrictions and do what he wants anyhow in direct violation of the law he signed in public.

    EDIT: Remember, the issue is this IG role going to Team Trump and asking for information like "how are you spending this money", Team Trump refusing to answer, and now, Trump wants to block this IG from telling Congress that he asked Team Trump for information, and was blocked. Although, quite frankly, the IG could probably do it anyhow.

    EDIT EDIT OH GOD INCEPTION: I misread, the IG is in the Treasury. So, Congress is asking for info, Team Trump is just refusing to answer, even though he signed the law saying he had to.
    Last edited by Breccia; 2020-03-27 at 11:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inuyaki View Post
    House and Senate do not have to reconfirm?

    I mean the stuff he wants to change is obviously an important part for the Dems
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signing_statement

    Nope. This is a more recent thing, at least in terms of it changing bills in various ways, but it's still not a power expressly restricted.

    What we've discovered under this administration is actually how few constraints there are on the executive branch. Almost every time people have asked, "But...can he even DO that?" the answer is usually "Yes, because there is no law specifically restricting that."

    Which has rarely been a major issue as presidents have abided by rules and norms and not sought to abuse and exploit the powers of the presidency. It's part of the fantastic civics lesson for all of us that is this administration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dontrike View Post
    So you admit to posting off topic while complaining that someone is actually doing their job. What's the point of this post again?
    They're getting so desperate to convince, or at least distract... I really don't know who... from realizing Trump's complete and utter mishandling of the situation that they'll post random disparaging nonsense pointed at the democrats in an attempt to... I guess make them look worse so that Trump appears better?

    It's sad at this point. And then they don't even stick around to even attempt to defend their nonsense.

    But it's a valuable insight into their mind. They just ignore what Trump does... wholesale. They've tuned themselves to react and engage only to things the democrats do.
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    Kaleredar is right...
    Words to live by.

  7. #40447
    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Trump considers himself without oversight,
    To be fair, the Senate did vote earlier this year that he's without oversight apparently.

  8. #40448
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...idUSKBN21E3FQ?

    And nobody wants the fucking country "open by Easter". It's one of the rare moments Americans can come together on a bipartisan basis to agree that yes, Trumps idea is fucking dumb as shit.

  9. #40449
    Quote Originally Posted by Inuyaki View Post
    https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/stat...64170496688129
    ...

    There are 2 more tweets in that thread

    hmm, what happens now? Senate is not in session anymore to override the vetos? I don't understand what exactly will happen now tbh. Any American can enlighten me?


    Edit
    Can he even veto single items? He can't, right?
    Technically no, but when has a little thing like the law ever stopped him from doing whatever he wants.

  10. #40450
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...scAFG4uQCnFalQ

    So, remember how the Trump administration said the reason they didn't take test kits was because they were unreliable?

    Well, they're pretty much wrong from top to bottom.

    The study they cite was from China and was focused on test kits produced there.

    The kits that the US rejected were produced in Germany.

    The study also didn't look at the performance of the test, but rather to testing on a-symptomatic individuals.

    And it was retracted within days of publishing it.

    TLDR: The administrations story on why they turned down test kits is still bad.
    I'd like to slightly weigh in on this. Just some fun trivia.

    The first set of these 'German-engineered tests' were the ones developed by Dr. Dorsten and his team at the Berliner Charité. And they actually have a downside. *GASP*

    They test for certain markers that are produced in the natural incubation and procreation process of SARS-CoV2 viruses. These markers are also found in the 'remains' of other strands of decaying Coronaviruses. So in theory, the test can give you a false positive for Covid-19. WHAT? GERMANS LIED TO US? Not so fast.

    This 'fact' has been repeated by many conspiracy theorists all over German social media in the past few weeks. And, from a technical standpoint, I don't think Dr. Dorsten should have neglected to mention this. But, before we all get angry at ze germans:

    A fact neglected to mention by all these conspiracy theories is that the other strains of Corona this test would give you a positive for have never been proven to infect Homo Sapiens. So any reasonable person would understand that, while the test technically doesn't test exclusively for Covid-19, as long as you only apply it to humans, and not Pangolins and several species of Bat, it's accurate.

    I assume Trump read this report and filtered the term 'false positive' out as a bottom line to take away from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skulltaker View Post
    I assume Trump read this report...
    Whoa, whoa, whoa... let me stop you right there.

    How big was the font, did it fit on one page, and did it have pictures?

    Because...

    EDIT: And did someone remember to take away his sharpie?
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  12. #40452
    Quote Originally Posted by Dacien View Post
    I think Trump's daily briefings have been fine. I think he's doing just fine. That's my opinion of Trump in this crisis. I'm sure he's made some missteps, but nobody is going to convince me he isn't both A) doing everything he can to guide the country through this as smoothly as possible and B) doing a pretty decent job of it with good advisers by his side.
    “Mike, don’t call the governor of Washington. You’re wasting your time ... Don’t call the woman in Michigan ... You know what I say, ‘If they don’t treat you right, I don’t call’.”

    You stand by that @Dacien?

  13. #40453
    I have a feeling Trump is going to manage to funnel millions, if not billions of this stimulus to himself and friends in exchange for favors/debt payoff.

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    Donald J. Trump, president of the United States, protector to its people, but apparently only to those who sucks his shroomy dingus.

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    Fuck Trump and fuck anyone who supports him. Hillary was too nice when she called half of his supporters deplorable.

    One of the most important responsibilities that comes with the office of President of the United States is to calm the nation during a time of crisis. Trump is failing miserably and his cult is busy insisting Emperor Trump is doing great as Rome burns down around them while he plays a violin on a balcony above them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blur4stuff View Post
    I have a feeling Trump is going to manage to funnel millions, if not billions of this stimulus to himself and friends in exchange for favors/debt payoff.
    The bill specifically says Trump, Pence, and Congress can't profit. If they try to work around it, I hope they're caught.

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  18. #40458
    Trump literally has the mentality of a spoiled 8 year old child...
    Time of crisis, mass deaths and financial problems for hundreds of millions of Americans (billions worldwide). If this isn't the time to put aside politics and lead with clarity and unite people in the effort to stop this... but nah, "don't help people who disagree with you."

    as a sidenote... Trump would make a lot more sense if you cut out 2/3 of the words he says. He has one thought in his mind as he starts a sentence and as he speaks 149 other words come into his head that changes his thoughts, it's like watching a puppy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    The bill specifically says Trump, Pence, and Congress can't profit. If they try to work around it, I hope they're caught.
    what about those senators who sold millions of dollars of stocks before the news about the counter meassures against the virus was made public?
    what about those senators who voted against giving people in quarantines sick pay and then went into paid quarantines themselves ...with pay, obviously...
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  19. #40459
    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ource=facebook

    DHS has 1.5 million "expired" masks, CDC still says they're functional and should be used while we have a shortage. They're just sitting around, and have been for a while.

    They may give them to TSA employees, which isn't bad, but apparently aren't even considering distributing to health care professionals/hospitals. Or even FEMA.
    To be clear, the expiration is about the rubber bands and not for the mask itself, as long as the mask is stored correctly. If the rubber bands dry out then it won't hold on the face right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dontrike View Post
    To be clear, the expiration is about the rubber bands and not for the mask itself, as long as the mask is stored correctly. If the rubber bands dry out then it won't hold on the face right.
    You don't send people to the frontline with faulty gear, doesn't matter if it's soldiers to war or medical personell to treat contageous patients.
    1 trained nurse or doctor can potentially help to save hundreds or thousands of lives in their careers, why would you risk them becoming sick and potentially dying because of faulty rubber bands? You wouldn't send soldiers to war if their gun had a 50% chance to jam when fired...
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