Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Gorsameth]

Actual, daylight clear corruption, lol...

Why wouldn't he. The GOP has given him an all clear to do whatever he wants when they dismissed his impeachment out of hand.

[Thepersona]

Hydroxychloroquine

No really, that's got to be a major reason deaths are down despite cases tripling.

Unrelated: Bloomberg reports that Facebook is quietly considering the decision to ban political ads.

"Why the fuck would they do that?"

Let's talk numbers. In June, Biden and Trump spent $25 million in FB ads combined. By contrast, the Coca-Cola boycott for 30 days cost Facebook seven billion dollars.

"But that--"

Facebook set themselves up with a model that does not police their content very well, and Trump is a hate-filled liar. It's far easier for Facebook to simply say "I'll take the six billion, nine-hundred seventy-five million instead" block all the ads so they can pretend to be neutral. Yes, pretend. Allowing Trump to spew hate-filled lies that would kick anyone else off is not neutral, that's "I'd rather have Trump's money".

While this is still "talking behind closed doors" and, yes, it might hurt their stock price a little, losing their other advertisers will hurt more. This step will at least give them the option of shrugging and saying "hey, we're blocking Biden too, it's not rigged".

Dont make me remember that fiasco, i did put some "money" on Hydroxy, despite Dotard Tang shilling for it hard. I'm now on team blood plasma treatment and vaccines.

[Edge-]

And odds are Congressional Republicans will be running from the press to avoid commenting on this.

They've had a lot of experience over the past 3 years, so I imagine the odds will be high and that they'll mostly succeed.

Because the press still won't fuckin nail them to the fucking cross and force them to find their spine and take a position.

The press need to start acting like the god-damned opposition party Trump calls them.

[cubby]

So in Trump world, it's safe to send peoples kids back to school but it's too dangerous for a lifelong crook like Roger Stone to go to prison.

Even worse, apparently it's safe enough to send kids back to school, but not safe enough to kill someone.

[Thepersona]

AHAHAHAHA!

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Third world shithole banana republic. Fuck you america. Please just implode already you stupid cunts.

Dude, here in chile our politicians try not to get to that level of banana republic corruption. And we had a fucking dictatorship. A dictatorship that stole a fuckton of money from our taxes and hid them in foreign banks.

sigh.

[Crissi]

Party of Law and Order my ass.

[Zaydin]

So if you want some schadenfreude, even Trumps advisors are reportedly getting tired of his 'Woe is me, I'm the real victim here!' whining.

[Stormspark]

And 10 years for a bit of statue graffiti....

The absolute state of this administration.

Pretty much, the most openly corrupt government in the world. There are outright dictatorships that are a lot better...as in, governments that fully admit to being dictatorships, that are better.

[Thepersona]

Pretty much, the most openly corrupt government in the world. There are outright dictatorships that are a lot better...as in, governments that fully admit to being dictatorships, that are better.

Pinochet dictatorship was better. Even with the crimes against humanity, the helicopter rides, the "operacion condor" and bombing an US citizen in DC (methinks it was there) it was still less corrupt and godawful than this... thing.

[Paranoid Android]

Trump officially commutes Roger Stone's sentence.


"Party of Law and Order"... ugh.

The reason: Cause he is a health risk due to Corona Virus.

Let's send the kids, teachers and faculity back to school tho.


Effin amazing when it was a given that Stone was publicly stating he would not testify and lied to cover Trump's ass. Then he gets a pardon, I mean I just give up these days. Get this mother effer out of office

[xenogear3]

As I just posted earlier this hour, the US didn't just double, it tripled, in the last six weeks.

6 weeks later, 9 times.
12 weeks later, 27 times.
4 months later, 90 times. Everyone got it.

[Masark]

The Catholic Church got between $1.4 and $3.5 billion in PPP funds.

By the way, while Trump might have handed them the money, Congress allowed him to. If you object to taxpayer money going to religious sources, there's plenty of people you can blame for this one. To be fair, the church does pay people. But if other religious nonprofits were turned away or discriminated against, that's not Congress anymore -- that's the Executive Branch deciding who gets the money.

Seeing more and more why Trump hid the list in Mnuchkin-land.

Bunch of money going to hate groups too.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/paychec...s-hate-groups/

[Breccia]

The reason: Cause he is a health risk due to Corona Virus.

Hmm. So, to misquote @cubby then, it's safe to send kids back to school, but not felons to prison.

At least we know if Roger Stone is voting for Trump now!

[Paranoid Android]

Hmm. So, to misquote @cubby then, it's safe to send kids back to school, but not felons to prison.

At least we know if Roger Stone is voting for Trump now!

Plus no other person in prison is getting this treatment. I know not much sympathy for people in prison generally, but that is the comparison.

[Breccia]

Bunch of money going to hate groups too.

Ladies and gentlemen, the Republican Party:

Mark Krikorian, who is the Center for Immigration Studies' executive director, told CBS MoneyWatch that he is against government handouts. "As a citizen I think the Paycheck Protection Program is a bad idea," Krikorian said. "But as the head of an organization, I had a responsibility to my board and employees to take advantage of the loan."

"Socialism is bad, until I need it."

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So how much have cases risen?

This much:

Coronavirus surge: Next bailout could cost $1.5 trillion, Moody's says

The surge in coronavirus cases across many U.S. states will come with a big price tag. The next bailout package will need to be at least $1.5 trillion, compared with an estimate of $1 trillion before the rise in COVID-19 cases, according to Moody's Analytics chief economist Mark Zandi.

"A few weeks ago I thought $1 trillion would be enough," Zandi said on a conference call hosted by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. But now, he added, a fiscal package of $1.5 trillion in stimulus aid is needed in large part because of the virus' resurgence across swaths of the U.S., which is causing economic headwinds in those states.

"The economic recovery has gone sideways" in recent weeks, Zandi added. "Unfortunately, the rapid reopenings has also reignited the virus."

The U.S. could end up in a "very, very dark economic scenario" without another stimulus package, or one that fails to provide enough support, he said. Unemployment could rise in the fall if states order more businesses to close to halt the spread of virus, while consumers may shy from spending if they feel unsafe while leaving their homes, he noted.

States that reopened early, such as Arizona and Texas, are showing signs of an economic slowdown, based on indicators such as restaurant bookings, consumer spending and small business activity, Deutsche Bank economists said late last month.

"We're concerned the latest health developments will lead to a double dip, or at least a stalling of the recovery," Oxford Economics economists Oren Klachkin and Mahir Rasheed said in a Thursday research report. "Forty of the 50 states, accounting for about 85% of national GDP, are now witnessing a rise in cases and are reversing their relaxation of social distancing measures."

"I changed my opinion, add another 50%" from a top economist is bad, but it's still an opinion.

The bolded and red is worse -- and it's objective.

Just a reminder, there's been no concrete movement yet on a second stimulus check, more PPP funds (aside from a few leftover dollars that didn't go to hate groups or the Catholic church, whoa, didn't think I'd put two in the same sentence when I woke up this morning), or more unemployment extensions. Team Trump is pushing people back to business in an increasingly lethal outbreak, but has no plan to do so nor funds to help it happen. Even the bribe to go back to work has vanished -- it's not like the jobs are coming back. The best we can say is that unemployment claims aren't as bad this week. Continued claims dropped from 18.7 million to 18 million, but 1.31 million more new claims were just filed.

There is a real sense that this might go on longer than we had hoped and we had expected and we had planned for. People are getting nervous again. Business leaders are getting worried. Consumers are getting worried.

-- Atlanta Fed chief

[beanman12345]

Makes me think that SDNY might think about waiting till after November elections to bring any charges against Giuliani if they were planning on it to prevent Trump fuckery cause of Stone.

[Zaydin]

Ladies and gentlemen, the Republican Party:



"Socialism is bad, until I need it."

- - - Updated - - -

So how much have cases risen?

This much:

Coronavirus surge: Next bailout could cost $1.5 trillion, Moody's says



"I changed my opinion, add another 50%" from a top economist is bad, but it's still an opinion.

The bolded and red is worse -- and it's objective.

Just a reminder, there's been no concrete movement yet on a second stimulus check, more PPP funds (aside from a few leftover dollars that didn't go to hate groups or the Catholic church, whoa, didn't think I'd put two in the same sentence when I woke up this morning), or more unemployment extensions. Team Trump is pushing people back to business in an increasingly lethal outbreak, but has no plan to do so nor funds to help it happen. Even the bribe to go back to work has vanished -- it's not like the jobs are coming back. The best we can say is that unemployment claims aren't as bad this week. Continued claims dropped from 18.7 million to 18 million, but 1.31 million more new claims were just filed.


-- Atlanta Fed chief

I'm not sure if it's ironic, karmic or enraging that Republicans, in their efforts to rush reopenings in order to try to help Trumps faltering reelection bid just made everything worse for everyone.

[Thekri]

Makes me think that SDNY might think about waiting till after November elections to bring any charges against Giuliani if they were planning on it to prevent Trump fuckery cause of Stone.

Doubt it. Doing it right before the November elections is still best if they don't want another 4 years of lack of justice. Trump can't do shit to NY charges anyway, and there won't be a court ruling before next January on any cases that come out of it, so he can't commute the sentences. Unless he wins reelection, which means 4 more years with no sense of Justice or decency.

[cubby]

Doubt it. Doing it right before the November elections is still best if they don't want another 4 years of lack of justice. Trump can't do shit to NY charges anyway, and there won't be a court ruling before next January on any cases that come out of it, so he can't commute the sentences. Unless he wins reelection, which means 4 more years with no sense of Justice or decency.

I'm really not sure what will happen to this country if Trump takes another four years. We're already literally burning from the inside from a global pandemic, and Trump's response is to give relief money to billionaires and pardon his criminal friends, all the while screeching that scientists are wrong.

[beanman12345]

Doubt it. Doing it right before the November elections is still best if they don't want another 4 years of lack of justice. Trump can't do shit to NY charges anyway, and there won't be a court ruling before next January on any cases that come out of it, so he can't commute the sentences. Unless he wins reelection, which means 4 more years with no sense of Justice or decency.

Trump and Barr will 100% try and cause fuckery with this case. They've already been trying. Now whether they succeed or not is another story, but trump can just pardon Giuliani before trial anyways.