Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Cthulhu 2020]

What revelation is he referring to this time?

Musk was getting a lot of heat for banning Kanye, so he decided it was a good time to "leak" communications between the Biden campaign and Twitter, wherein it was revealed that Biden's campaign (not the government itself mind you, the private organization that was his campaign) reported people posting nudes that Hunter Biden took when he was doing drugs.

The way it was framed, it left out the important detail of what Biden's campaign was asking be removed from Twitter. So the dishonest framing was that the Biden campaign had insider contacts to "censor" people on Twitter. The right is now claiming this request to remove Hunter Biden's reposted dick pics tweets is clear evidence of collusion, election tampering, etc. and that Trump actually won the election and should be instated as president. Why? Because fuck you that's why.

[postman1782]

The answer might just surprise you.

Nothing.

Elon Musk is claiming he's going to release a bunch of "free speech suppression" files, but it's nothing we haven't already heard. Musk does not have secret communication between the DNC and Twitter. None such exists. Even if it did, which it doesn't, but even if it does, lying to the American people isn't a crime. Unless the DNC and Twitter hacked voting machines or intimidated voters, they are allowed to communicate all they want. Remember, Mueller said Trump asked Russia for help and Russia attacked the election, then did not file charges.

The first of Musk's "files", released today, is a NYTimes story from Oct 2020. In other words, if it was valid, Trump would have used it in court and maybe even won a case. He didn't.

What is really funny, is that Republicans are saying that the Biden administration somehow suppressed this, not realizing it happened in 2020, when Trump was still president. After they already had the laptop for 14 months and did nothing with it. Because they know it is fake. Steve Bannon Admitted to putting files on it, Rudy Guiliani admitted to putting files on it, the repairshop owner admitted people were putting files on it, before he even had a chance to turn it over to the FBI.

I had someone on Tiktok arguing with me about this, and I linked them said videos, and they openly just said they videos that I shared were doctored. Then they shit their pants and ran away after ignoring me.

[Breccia]

communications between the Biden campaign and Twitter

This point is worth revisiting.

Twitter acting by itself to suppress free speech is not a 1st amendment violation, but acting under orders from the government to suppress free speech, with no judicial review, is.

-- Miusk, on this very specific issue

Biden's campaign was not the government. Also, just a reminder, Biden wasn't the government at the time. He was running for office. Musk can scream about the First Amendment all he wants, he's wrong. Or, he'd be suing right now.

Anyone reading this, if you're not keen on a campaign colluding with a non-goverment organization with power to spread misinformation about an election, and that's fine. Bear in mind, we have a laundry list of 2016 misinformation about Clinton that we could bring up. If you didn't object to that at the time, you objecting to Twitter now is just proof that your issue isn't conspiracies or misinformation, but that you're a Trump supporter and a hypocrite.

[masterhorus8]

Musk was getting a lot of heat for banning Kanye, so he decided it was a good time to "leak" communications between the Biden campaign and Twitter, wherein it was revealed that Biden's campaign (not the government itself mind you, the private organization that was his campaign) reported people posting nudes that Hunter Biden took when he was doing drugs.

The way it was framed, it left out the important detail of what Biden's campaign was asking be removed from Twitter. So the dishonest framing was that the Biden campaign had insider contacts to "censor" people on Twitter. The right is now claiming this request to remove Hunter Biden's reposted dick pics tweets is clear evidence of collusion, election tampering, etc. and that Trump actually won the election and should be instated as president. Why? Because fuck you that's why.

So, what you're saying Trump is saying is that Hunter Biden's dick pics would've won Trump the election. Gotcha.

[Breccia]

So, what you're saying Trump is saying is that Hunter Biden's dick pics would've won Trump the election. Gotcha.

Not exactly.

Trump, as per usual, saw someone say the word "fraud" and ran with it. Musk just walked into the open and admitted he had less than nothing. Trump didn't read past the first half of the headline, he just saw somone posted something and jumped into the spotlight.

Nobody on Trump's knockoff Chinese twitter will call him out on it, because if they did, they'd be thrown off. Trump doesn't see the irony in that.

[ringpriest]

Musk was getting a lot of heat for banning Kanye, so he decided it was a good time to "leak" communications between the Biden campaign and Twitter, wherein it was revealed that Biden's campaign (not the government itself mind you, the private organization that was his campaign) reported people posting nudes that Hunter Biden took when he was doing drugs.

The way it was framed, it left out the important detail of what Biden's campaign was asking be removed from Twitter. So the dishonest framing was that the Biden campaign had insider contacts to "censor" people on Twitter. The right is now claiming this request to remove Hunter Biden's reposted dick pics tweets is clear evidence of collusion, election tampering, etc. and that Trump actually won the election and should be instated as president. Why? Because fuck you that's why.

An important point that is highlighted by this is that any sort of information released from Twitter cannot be considered remotely trustworthy.

I doubt Musk completely fabricated these particular communications - instead, he apparently chose to selectively edit the portions he publicized in a more subtle sort of lie. But there is nothing stopping him from completely fabricating Twitter DMs, Tweets, or official Twitter correspondence.

While Twitter 1.0 may have technically had the ability to do so, it was a publicly held corporation, run by a standard executive team, and full of a wide variety of employees. Now, Musk is the autocrat of Twitter, has no oversight, and has driven out any employees willing to criticize him. And his tendency to lie is publicly well-documented, as is his decision to openly support a particular political position.

Now, to preempt the the right-wing maggots whining about Freeze Peach, he has every legal right to operate this way (although it's irresponsible). But he is not entitled to be taken seriously after discrediting himself. "Twitter says" (which equates to "Musk says") is every bit at meaningful as "8chan says", and should be treated the same in terms of likely informational value.

[Breccia]

But there is nothing stopping him from completely fabricating Twitter DMs, Tweets, or official Twitter correspondence.

There is one, the people involved. If Elon Musk makes up a false conversation involving a real person, that real person can and should sue for defamation. If Musk makes up a conversation between two fake people, it'll be caught, because people will catch that very quickly.

- - - Updated - - -

Mueller refutes Trump’s ‘no collusion, no obstruction’ line

Yeah if Musk can bring up something from 2020, I can bring up something from 2019. If you complain, remember, Musk started it.

Former special counsel Robert Mueller pushed back against U.S. President Donald Trump’s characterizations of his 22-month investigation, telling lawmakers on Wednesday that he did not evaluate “collusion” with the Russian government, and confirming that his report did not conclude that there was “no obstruction” of the probe.

“The president was not exculpated for the acts that he allegedly committed,” Mueller told the House judiciary committee, adding that Trump could theoretically be indicted after he leaves office.

“We did not address ‘collusion,’ which is not a legal term,” Mueller added. “Rather, we focused on whether the evidence was sufficient to charge any member of the campaign with taking part in a criminal conspiracy. It was not.”

So I think it's fair to use the same assessment here. If it is found that Biden's campaign and Twitter, or individuals therein, committed a criminal conspiracy, let them bring charges. Y'all know my view against misinformation, I won't blame them. But until then, if it's legal for Trump to get aid from Putin -- a foreign country, just so we're again clear -- because it wasn't a criminal conspiracy, then it's okay for Biden's campaign to get help from Twitter.

It's both or neither, motherfuckers. Perhaps we should remove Trump from office retroactively and let Clinton veto everything he signed?

[SoulForge]

Sooooo this is a thing now; https://www.alternet.org/2022/12/don...-constitution/

Former President Donald Trump on Saturday morning raged on his anti-Twitter app Truth Social about non-existent "fraud and deception" in the November 8th midterm elections – and he proposed scrapping the United States Constitution as a means to reinstall himself into the presidency. Trump also called for a do-over of the race that he lost in a landslide to President Joe Biden.

"So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution," Trump "truthed."

There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud in either the 2020 or 2022 elections, let alone that which was pervasive enough to affect the results.

"Our great 'Founders' did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!" Trump added. The authors of the Constitution – many of whom were traffickers of enslaved human beings – only wanted white male landowners to vote.

Not familiar with Alternet. Anyone able to find this elsewhere? Or even off his 'Truth Social' page?

[Breccia]

Anyone able to find this elsewhere?

Yes, look upwards the last 10 posts or so.

[Finlandia WOAT]

The Hunter Biden thing is so stupid. The smoking gun is the Biden Campaign asking Twitter to remove tweets that obviously broke Twitter's TOS- nudes (stolen nudes!!) posted w/o the owner's consent.

[Edge-]

The Hunter Biden thing is so stupid. The smoking gun is the Biden Campaign asking Twitter to remove tweets that obviously broke Twitter's TOS- nudes (stolen nudes!!) posted w/o the owner's consent.

I'm ready for Elon to go to war to prove that sharing private dick pics is actually protected by the First Amendment. WHY DOES ELON WANT TO SEE HUNTER BIDEN'S DICK SO MUCH?!

[Cthulhu 2020]

I'm ready for Elon to go to war to prove that sharing private dick pics is actually protected by the First Amendment. WHY DOES ELON WANT TO SEE HUNTER BIDEN'S DICK SO MUCH?!

I legitimately saw a Twitter conversation that went something like,

"This is a giant cover up between the Biden government and Twitter!"
"A cover up of what, Hunter Biden's dick pics?"
"They just want you to think that, look it up sheeple."
"You can literally look these deleted tweets up on internet snapshot engines."
"They tampered with those, the real tweets were about election tampering!"

You can't reason with these people. They believe everything is a conspiracy.

[Edge-]

I legitimately saw a Twitter conversation that went something like,

"This is a giant cover up between the Biden government and Twitter!"
"A cover up of what, Hunter Biden's dick pics?"
"They just want you to think that, look it up sheeple."
"You can literally look these deleted tweets up on internet snapshot engines."
"They tampered with those, the real tweets were about election tampering!"

You can't reason with these people. They believe everything is a conspiracy.

Fuckin hell, lots of people just really want to see that dudes dick or something. Is it like, a really nice looking dick? Despite having one myself I make no claims of being any sort of dick connoisseur, so maybe these people are all really onto something and we gotta see that dick?

[Cthulhu 2020]

Fuckin hell, lots of people just really want to see that dudes dick or something. Is it like, a really nice looking dick? Despite having one myself I make no claims of being any sort of dick connoisseur, so maybe these people are all really onto something and we gotta see that dick?

They think the deleted tweets are something other than what they are. They believe them to be some kind of ultimate evidence of election tampering. And again, you can type the tweet URLs into any internet archival viewing service and see that they're Hunter Biden's dick pics. Most are just in denial that they're Hunter Biden's dick pics, while some claim those 4 deleted tweets are "just the tip of the iceberg" and there's thousands of tweets Democrats had purged to cover their cheater McCheaterface tracks.

And the entire time I'm reading this just like... are you stupid?

[beanman12345]

Fuckin hell, lots of people just really want to see that dudes dick or something. Is it like, a really nice looking dick? Despite having one myself I make no claims of being any sort of dick connoisseur, so maybe these people are all really onto something and we gotta see that dick?

While almost all homophobes do love dick, and pictures of dick, after seeing a supporter in here so thirsty for porn involving Trump's Mario mushroom, I have to question their taste in dick.

[Edge-]

I'm sure we all remember things like "Pizzagate."

Which, given Elon and Matt Taibbi leaked Jack Dorsey's private email account which includes "pizza" in it, is sending those exact people into a fucking frenzy.

[Huehuecoyotl]

They think the deleted tweets.....are "just the tip of the iceberg"

Given how a lot of their conspiracy theories are about the secret Jewish cabal controlling the world, they probably think these dick pics are the tip of the Goldberg.

[Paranoid Android]

Trump didn’t disclose a $19.8 million loan his company owed stemming from an agreement with South Korean conglomerate Daewoo. He eliminated the debt halfway through his first year in office.

Oh Oh!

Donald Trump’s business attracted so much scrutiny during his time in office that it would be easy to conclude that all information about its foreign entanglements must be out by now. It is not. Buried in a heap of recently released financial paperwork sits a surprising revelation: Donald Trump had a foreign creditor he failed to disclose while running for president in 2016 and after assuming office in 2017.

The documents, compiled by the Trump Organization and obtained by the New York attorney general, show a previously unreported liability of $19.8 million listed as “L/P Daewoo.” The debt stems from an agreement Trump struck to share some of his licensing fees with Daewoo, a South Korean conglomerate that partnered with Trump on a project near the United Nations headquarters in New York City.

Trump eliminated the debt five-and-a-half months into his tenure as president, according to the documents. He seems to have acted with some urgency to wipe the liability off his balance sheet. From 2011 to 2016, the documents show that the balance stayed static at $19.8 million. Paperwork capturing Trump’s financial picture as of June 30, 2017, five months into his presidency, appears to show that the balance had dropped to $4.3 million, $15.5 million less than it had been a year earlier. Trump got rid of the debt altogether shortly after that. “Daewoo was bought out of its position on July 5, 2017,” the documents say, without specifying who exactly paid off the loan.

Although the debt appeared on the Trump Organization’s internal paperwork, it did not show up on Trump’s public financial disclosure reports, documents he was required to submit to federal officials while running for president and after taking office. Trump’s former chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg, told the New York Times in 2016 that his boss disclosed all debt connected to companies in which Trump held a 100% stake on the documents. That was not true.

Forbes adblocker but I got the text from other website.

So big one is, Trump had almost $20 million debt, he did not disclose while running. Then paid $15 million of it down, which a person notorious for not paying shit all of sudden had $15 million.

The puzzling part is Daweoo debt position was bought out without not knowing who. Daweoo supposedly still has ties with N. Korea. So if you want to put on the tinfoil hats on and got to the local pizza shop. Perhaps N. Korea bought out the debt. Just sayin. What I heard from some guy....Is what Trump always says.

[Edge-]

https://twitter.com/BGOnTheScene/sta...16246758625280

What have the far right Proud Bois been resorting to?

Well, doing extremely poor renditions of YMCA while...protesting drag queens. I'm assuming "It's just a troll, lol!" is going to be the line of the day, but it's sad that they can't even figure out how to do the YMCA part of the dance, that's basic shit that every white person without rhythm can figure out.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/04/us/po...ion/index.html

In other news, it sure looks like far right domestic terrorists may have taken down power in Moore County NC by shooting power stations in an apparent attempt to stop a drag event. Which has caused an outage for over 40K people, putting many at risk if they need power for medical devices or need to keep their houses heated.

A Jan. 6 rioter and former member of the military is shitposting about knowing what happened and not telling the cops when they came by to ask her about her very obvious social media posts. So she's either lying in those posts, or lying to the police. Either way, the domestic terror shit from right wingers needs to be cracked down on. Hard.

[postman1782]

https://twitter.com/BGOnTheScene/sta...16246758625280

What have the far right Proud Bois been resorting to?

Well, doing extremely poor renditions of YMCA while...protesting drag queens. I'm assuming "It's just a troll, lol!" is going to be the line of the day, but it's sad that they can't even figure out how to do the YMCA part of the dance, that's basic shit that every white person without rhythm can figure out.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/04/us/po...ion/index.html

In other news, it sure looks like far right domestic terrorists may have taken down power in Moore County NC by shooting power stations in an apparent attempt to stop a drag event. Which has caused an outage for over 40K people, putting many at risk if they need power for medical devices or need to keep their houses heated.

A Jan. 6 rioter and former member of the military is shitposting about knowing what happened and not telling the cops when they came by to ask her about her very obvious social media posts. So she's either lying in those posts, or lying to the police. Either way, the domestic terror shit from right wingers needs to be cracked down on. Hard.

I hope they all get charged with terrorism. Even the one that might be lying, that should be obstruction.