Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Paranoid Android]

Trump didn’t disclose a $19.8 million loan his company owed stemming from an agreement with South Korean conglomerate Daewoo. He eliminated the debt halfway through his first year in office.

Oh Oh!

Donald Trump’s business attracted so much scrutiny during his time in office that it would be easy to conclude that all information about its foreign entanglements must be out by now. It is not. Buried in a heap of recently released financial paperwork sits a surprising revelation: Donald Trump had a foreign creditor he failed to disclose while running for president in 2016 and after assuming office in 2017.

The documents, compiled by the Trump Organization and obtained by the New York attorney general, show a previously unreported liability of $19.8 million listed as “L/P Daewoo.” The debt stems from an agreement Trump struck to share some of his licensing fees with Daewoo, a South Korean conglomerate that partnered with Trump on a project near the United Nations headquarters in New York City.

Trump eliminated the debt five-and-a-half months into his tenure as president, according to the documents. He seems to have acted with some urgency to wipe the liability off his balance sheet. From 2011 to 2016, the documents show that the balance stayed static at $19.8 million. Paperwork capturing Trump’s financial picture as of June 30, 2017, five months into his presidency, appears to show that the balance had dropped to $4.3 million, $15.5 million less than it had been a year earlier. Trump got rid of the debt altogether shortly after that. “Daewoo was bought out of its position on July 5, 2017,” the documents say, without specifying who exactly paid off the loan.

Although the debt appeared on the Trump Organization’s internal paperwork, it did not show up on Trump’s public financial disclosure reports, documents he was required to submit to federal officials while running for president and after taking office. Trump’s former chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg, told the New York Times in 2016 that his boss disclosed all debt connected to companies in which Trump held a 100% stake on the documents. That was not true.

Forbes adblocker but I got the text from other website.

So big one is, Trump had almost $20 million debt, he did not disclose while running. Then paid $15 million of it down, which a person notorious for not paying shit all of sudden had $15 million.

The puzzling part is Daweoo debt position was bought out without not knowing who. Daweoo supposedly still has ties with N. Korea. So if you want to put on the tinfoil hats on and got to the local pizza shop. Perhaps N. Korea bought out the debt. Just sayin. What I heard from some guy....Is what Trump always says.

[Edge-]

https://twitter.com/BGOnTheScene/sta...16246758625280

What have the far right Proud Bois been resorting to?

Well, doing extremely poor renditions of YMCA while...protesting drag queens. I'm assuming "It's just a troll, lol!" is going to be the line of the day, but it's sad that they can't even figure out how to do the YMCA part of the dance, that's basic shit that every white person without rhythm can figure out.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/04/us/po...ion/index.html

In other news, it sure looks like far right domestic terrorists may have taken down power in Moore County NC by shooting power stations in an apparent attempt to stop a drag event. Which has caused an outage for over 40K people, putting many at risk if they need power for medical devices or need to keep their houses heated.

A Jan. 6 rioter and former member of the military is shitposting about knowing what happened and not telling the cops when they came by to ask her about her very obvious social media posts. So she's either lying in those posts, or lying to the police. Either way, the domestic terror shit from right wingers needs to be cracked down on. Hard.

[postman1782]

https://twitter.com/BGOnTheScene/sta...16246758625280

What have the far right Proud Bois been resorting to?

Well, doing extremely poor renditions of YMCA while...protesting drag queens. I'm assuming "It's just a troll, lol!" is going to be the line of the day, but it's sad that they can't even figure out how to do the YMCA part of the dance, that's basic shit that every white person without rhythm can figure out.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/04/us/po...ion/index.html

In other news, it sure looks like far right domestic terrorists may have taken down power in Moore County NC by shooting power stations in an apparent attempt to stop a drag event. Which has caused an outage for over 40K people, putting many at risk if they need power for medical devices or need to keep their houses heated.

A Jan. 6 rioter and former member of the military is shitposting about knowing what happened and not telling the cops when they came by to ask her about her very obvious social media posts. So she's either lying in those posts, or lying to the police. Either way, the domestic terror shit from right wingers needs to be cracked down on. Hard.

I hope they all get charged with terrorism. Even the one that might be lying, that should be obstruction.

[Breccia]

The Bulwark talks about the Mar-a-Lago decision that removed the "special master" from the case.

"Wasn't that Thursday?"

Yes, but the article breaks down some of the most significant parts.

1) Two of the three judges were Trump appointees. One clerked for Kavanaugh.
2) The FBI acted correctly, and Trump did not once dispute this. All his yelling about the FBI planting things? That was for the cameras, not the court.
3) The ruling begins with a "subtle" remark that Trump fairly and legally lost the election.
4) NARA kept asking for their records back and Trump kept stalling them -- including threatening with "if you keep asking I'll assert privilege".
4a) Trump never once asserted privilege until the court case started.
5) The FBI had the usual and required filter team and even said so on the warrant.
6) At no point did Trump ever explain how Cannon had the legal authority to do this.

As Trump lies all the time about everything, the court ruling was so damaging as it used the only things Trump can be even remotely assumed to be honest about: things he said under oath.

But then!

7) The ruling demonstrated that no "callous disregard" was ever shown.
8) The ruling demonstrated that no “irreparably injured” status could result.
8a) The ruling goes further and says that, if Trump would be damaged by legally seized records being leaked, so would literally anyone else that's the subject of a search warrant. That's not grounds to prevent a search warrant, nor is it grounds to prevent law enforcement from looking at the items they've specifically been sent to reclaim. The only recourse would be that Trump is magically special because he's Trump.
9) And the ruling pointed and laughed at the part where Trump never specified which documents he wanted back or, more importantly, why.
10) The ruling literally uses the word "sideshow".

[Flarelaine]

What I don't get it everyone talking of Trump talking of suspending the Constitution. That's not the word he used. Suspending is temporary. He proposed to terminate.

[Breccia]

Once again, it's time for Guess the Speaker!

The Constitution is greater than any President. End of story.

Is it:
a) Mike Pence
b) Elon Musk
c) A spicy Albanian cola drink
d) Literally any Democrat

The answer might just surprise you. While all of the above have pushed back, Musk used those exact words. Pence has spoken up but did not pick those words exactly. Other Republicans, well some anyhow, those who don't need Trump's voters right now at least, have also pushed back.

[Edge-]

Once again, it's time for Guess the Speaker!



Is it:
a) Mike Pence
b) Elon Musk
c) A spicy Albanian cola drink
d) Literally any Democrat

The answer might just surprise you. While all of the above have pushed back, Musk used those exact words. Pence has spoken up but did not pick those words exactly. Other Republicans, well some anyhow, those who don't need Trump's voters right now at least, have also pushed back.

Apparently Republicans are crickets, because that's most of what I'm hearing in response to the explicitly dictatorial statements of their "former" party leader and former president over the weekend.

[Gorsameth]

So if the Constitution is more of a guideline that can be freely ignored rather then a perfect immutable document (despite amendments existing) does that mean we can do away with the right to bear arms?

Its a question I would love to ask to anyone that even considers defending Trump as anything but a wannebe authoritarian dictator at any point in the future.

[Edge-]

https://lawandcrime.com/2020-electio...earing-begins/

Giuliani's Bar misconduct hearing over his frivolous lawsuits has begun. I'm not thinking this is going to go very well for him.

[Breccia]

Giuliani's Bar misconduct hearing over his frivolous lawsuits has begun.

From your cited article and others I remember, Giuliani's defense is to squirt ink like a squid and flee to say "things were moving so quickly, I had no choice but to present items as facts in court, before I investigated them". I'm no expert, but I feel a parallel here with Trump ordering his lawyers to lie on the stand for him w.r.t. Mar-a-Lago. @cubby already knows my, erm, "mild irritation" with the idea that I could order my lawyer to lie for me and we both get away with it. The issue here is, Giuliani is basically citing Some Guy On Twitter and blaming a faceless, anonymous nobody.

This is not the escape plan he wants it to be. Because it means he presented falsehoods as if they were facts, not only without checking on them first, but without even citing a client.

Giuliani never had anything to back any of his claims and the only question is "is ignorance an excuse?" If Giuliani is allowed to make such baseless claims in court and escape any kind of consequences, what's to stop, oh I don't know, me from suing him based on a bunch of stuff y'all said? Especially the parody stuff?

[Edge-]

From your cited article and others I remember, Giuliani's defense is to squirt ink like a squid and flee to say "things were moving so quickly, I had no choice but to present items as facts in court, before I investigated them". I'm no expert, but I feel a parallel here with Trump ordering his lawyers to lie on the stand for him w.r.t. Mar-a-Lago. @cubby already knows my, erm, "mild irritation" with the idea that I could order my lawyer to lie for me and we both get away with it. The issue here is, Giuliani is basically citing Some Guy On Twitter and blaming a faceless, anonymous nobody.

This is not the escape plan he wants it to be. Because it means he presented falsehoods as if they were facts, not only without checking on them first, but without even citing a client.

Giuliani never had anything to back any of his claims and the only question is "is ignorance an excuse?" If Giuliani is allowed to make such baseless claims in court and escape any kind of consequences, what's to stop, oh I don't know, me from suing him based on a bunch of stuff y'all said? Especially the parody stuff?

What ever happened with all those affidavits, by the way? Especially that one drunk lady slurring her way through that court hearing. Has there been any consequences for all the people that said, "I'm totally not lying and here's my statement of fact under penalty of perjury." for all the shit that they straight up made up?

[Breccia]

Especially that one drunk lady slurring her way through that court hearing.

She announced she was running for a Michigan state role in 2021. I can find no record of her election attempt, or her arrest, or any lawsuits. So, yes, she escaped any consequences.

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"What I Meant Was"

Trump, after seeing all the negative press about him saying he wanted to terminate the Constitution, says he didn't say terminate the Constitution.

The Fake News is actually trying to convince the American People that I said I wanted to ‘terminate’ the Constitution. This is simply more DISINFORMATION & LIES, just like RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA, and all of their other HOAXES & SCAMS.

"So wh--"

What I said was that when there is 'MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION,' as has been irrefutably proven in the 2020 Presidential Election, steps must be immediately taken to RIGHT THE WRONG. Only FOOLS would disagree with that and accept STOLEN ELECTIONS. MAGA!

"Hm. So wh--"

SIMPLY PUT, IF AN ELECTION IS IRREFUTABLY FRAUDULENT, IT SHOULD GO TO THE RIGHTFUL WINNER OR, AT A MINIMUM, BE REDONE. WHERE OPEN AND BLATANT FRAUD IS INVOLVED, THERE SHOULD BE NO TIME LIMIT FOR CHANGE!

"What the fuck?"

I just cut and paste, dude. I'm not responsible for what the very stable genius posted on his Chinese knockoff twitter.

"So fraud was proven?"

Well, @Edge- has been keeping us up-to-date on a case-by-case. They all seem to be Republicans. Other than that, no.

"What widespread and open fraud was he talking about?"

Well, I guess he could still be talking about Twitter shutting down Hunter Biden posts. This is not fraud. That's censorship by a private company. Which Musk is now doing personally, so, it must be okay.

"What was his exact word choice, again?"

A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution

"I don't see the word 'if'."

It's not there.

So, I guess he wasn't saying "terminate the Constitution" but "terminate all rules, regulations, and articles, including the Constitution". That's...not better.
@tehdang I know you have been active recently, and as a known Trump supporter, surely this topic interests you. You also posted recently using the word "disingenuous" so I know that interests you, too. Do you think Trump is being "disingenuous" when he said today he didn't mean to terminate the Constitution? And yes, the word is "terminate" @Flarelaine pointed out that very specific use of a word that Trump actually typed and posted.

[Edge-]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...p3m?li=BBnbfcL

48 hours later

Apparently in reaction to the criticism, Mr Trump took to Truth Social again on Monday to claim he’d never said what he’d said two days before.

He claimed that news organisations, who have accurately reported his words (which are still posted on Truth Social,) are “actually trying to convince the American People that I said I wanted to ‘terminate’ the Constitution” and called the accurate reporting of statements he has posted to the internet “disinformation and lies”.

A few minutes later, Mr Trump wrote in another post on the site that an “irrefutably fraudulent” election (which the 2020 election was not) should “go to the rightful winner” (which was not actually him) or “should be redone” even though there is no mechanism to do so under US law.

Here's his "truth" claiming he didn't call to terminate the Constitution - https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldT...62304115605769

The Fake News is actually trying to convince the American People that I said I wanted to “terminate” the Constitution. This is simply more DISINFORMATION & LIES, just like RUSSIA, RUSSIA, RUSSIA, and all of their other HOAXES & SCAMS. What I said was that when there is “MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION,” as has been irrefutably proven in the 2020 Presidential Election, steps must be immediately taken to RIGHT THE WRONG. Only FOOLS would disagree with that and accept STOLEN ELECTIONS. MAGA!

Here's his "truth" from Saturday - https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldT...49803240069864

So, with the revelation of MASSIVE & WIDESPREAD FRAUD & DECEPTION in working closely with Big Tech Companies, the DNC, & the Democrat Party, do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution. Our great “Founders” did not want, and would not condone, False & Fraudulent Elections!

Man, 48 hours for him to say "Nazi's are bad", and 48 hours for him to say, "I didn't write that explicitly unconstitutional and dictatorial thing that's still live on my social media platform right now!"

[Paranoid Android]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...p3m?li=BBnbfcL

48 hours later



Here's his "truth" claiming he didn't call to terminate the Constitution - https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldT...62304115605769



Here's his "truth" from Saturday - https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldT...49803240069864



Man, 48 hours for him to say "Nazi's are bad", and 48 hours for him to say, "I didn't write that explicitly unconstitutional and dictatorial thing that's still live on my social media platform right now!"

Lord have mercy. I love this delusion and brings back the good ole times, by that I mean the worst. When Trump would actually say something then say he didn't.

But hey in 2024 primaries every Trumper and bet most of the politicians will be parroting by saying "he never said this".

[Breccia]

But hey in 2024 primaries every Trumper and bet most of the politicians will be parroting by saying "he never said this".

We'll see what teh dang poster thinks -- surely an honest and genuine poster such as himself will be keen to contribute with his viewpoint that I specifically and directly asked for.

Until then, I do hope this exact situation comes up in the primaries when Trump runs against the other Republicans. I think you're probably right, that they'll be desperate to twist the words into "he said if such a fraud existed" without the objectively true aspect of "he did say such a fraud existed".

[Paranoid Android]

We'll see what teh dang poster thinks -- surely an honest and genuine poster such as himself will be keen to contribute with his viewpoint that I specifically and directly asked for.

Until then, I do hope this exact situation comes up in the primaries when Trump runs against the other Republicans. I think you're probably right, that they'll be desperate to twist the words into "he said if such a fraud existed" without the objectively true aspect of "he did say such a fraud existed".

So here we go. I'm projecting almost 2 years into the future but I bet Trump destroys everyone and all in the Republican primaries. Yes, lets see who has the spine to stand up to Trump on his treason. Plus a large majority of the primary voters, the most radical, won't give a bleep.

[cubby]

Trump Had Hidden $19.8 Million Loan From North Korea-Linked Company As President

Whoops.

[Forogil]

Trump Had Hidden $19.8 Million Loan From North Korea-Linked Company As President

Whoops.

I'm a bit surprised by the N. Korean angle on that story.

As far I can understand Daewoo went bankrupt in 1999 (so last millennia!) - and seems to have split into other parts, and has historically been really corrupt (more than the usual S. Korean big conglomerates) and losing close a billion dollar in bribery and corruption. The brand was so damaged that GM thought it better to call the Daewoo cars Chevrolets :-)

And it's not like the corruption stopped with the bankruptcy....

[Celista]

Starting to wonder if Trump has dementia, if he seriously thinks people on the right (or most people in this country) would support getting rid of the constitution.

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So here we go. I'm projecting almost 2 years into the future but I bet Trump destroys everyone and all in the Republican primaries. Yes, lets see who has the spine to stand up to Trump on his treason. Plus a large majority of the primary voters, the most radical, won't give a bleep.

Anything can happen in two years, but he's off to an extremely underwhelming start. Trump a loser and if anyone hates a loser, it is Trump. Losing the presidency wasn't great for his brand, made him look weak.

I don't think there's been a US president who lost a second term in office and was successful later on...any president not winning a second term is quite unusual. Even if they are disliked by most of the voting population.

[DarkTZeratul]

Starting to wonder if Trump has dementia, if he seriously thinks people on the right (or most people in this country) would support getting rid of the constitution.

I think it's just more of the same pathological narcissism, where he thinks that everyone loves him and anything that helps him would have majority support.

It's the same reason he's so insistent that there was fraud, because he literally cannot conceive of a world where he is not the best, smartest, most successful and most popular president ever. Therefore the only possible explanation for his loss is that the other side cheated.