Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Thekri]

Wait... American Jews are supposed to be loyal to Israel? What the actual fuck? Should I be loyal to the UK because my great-great-great-great-great grandfather came from there?

[Breccia]

Looks like the cleanup operation is going really well

"What the schmuck meant was..."

Where has the Democratic Party gone? Where have they gone where they're defending these two people over the state of Israel? And I think any Jewish people that vote for a Democrat — I think it shows either a total lack of knowledge or great disloyalty, alright?

That's the exact quote. No edits. No context needed.

And just to remind everyone:
1) Someone of the Jewish faith does not need to be loyal to the government of Israel. The word of God and Moses, and Netanyahu, are separate entities.
2) Netanyahu is facing corruption charges from his own government. Which is also Israeli, and Jewish. Have fun with that one, motherfucker.
3) Or, to look at it another way: if Jewish people are supposed to fall in line behind Israel, then all Christians should fall in line behind the Pope. Anyone want to guess what didn't happen?

No leader, especially a religious leader, has the right to question another man’s religion or faith

That's Trump.

Oh, and for added fun, Trump said that while golfing.

[Felya]

Wait... American Jews are supposed to be loyal to Israel? What the actual fuck? Should I be loyal to the UK because my great-great-great-great-great grandfather came from there?

Because he is anti-Semitic... American Jews being loyal to Israel, instead of US, is his whole basis for attacking Omar, over pointing out a PAC that is explicitly loyal to Israel, as a reflection of all Jews. Remember, he only likes us counting his money... His assertions are also a conspiracy theory.

[Breccia]

Why would American Jews be loyal to Israel?

WAIT I thought of another one:

This thread. The one where ICE drove through Jewish protesters.

At this point, why would American Jews be loyal to America? I mean, point out the difference.

[Shalcker]

Wait... American Jews are supposed to be loyal to Israel? What the actual fuck? Should I be loyal to the UK because my great-great-great-great-great grandfather came from there?

Well, most of the Congress seems to be, what with all the bills blocking any action against Israel (like boycotts) as well as no talk of defunding Israel support over their human right and press attacks.

[Thekri]

1) Someone of the Jewish faith does not need to be loyal to the government of Israel. The word of God and Moses, and Netanyahu, are separate entities.

The insinuation that they do is very important to how some right wing ethno-nationalists look at loyalty. They see everyone as being fundamentally loyal to "their people" over the state they currently reside in. Therefore Mexican-Americans are loyal to Mexico, Arab-Americans are loyal to Saudi Arabia, Russian-Americans are loyal to Russia, and so forth. This is one of the oldest racist tropes in existence, insisting that resident minorities have other loyalties, and as such are not good citizens, or really a part of this nation at all. In America's history, similar racist ideologies leveled this accusation against Catholics, Asian immigrants, Jews, Slavs, and bizarrely, even Native Americans. They used specific examples, like the San Patricos to really drive home this narrative. (The San Patricos are a fascinating bit of history, and it is really important to understand the massive effect it had on American racist policies toward Irish immigrants)

Like so many of these other dog whistles, their supporters will insist it isn't racist, but it is straight out of the playbook of every historical racist effort in our history.

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Well, most of the Congress seems to be, what with all the bills blocking any action against Israel (like boycotts) as well as no talk of defunding Israel support over their human right and press attacks.

Hard to argue with that. The State of Israel has an excessive amount of influence in the US government. Along with Saudi Arabia and Azerbaijan.

[Felya]

Well, most of the Congress seems to be, what with all the bills blocking any action against Israel (like boycotts) as well as no talk of defunding Israel support over their human right and press attacks.

Why point at congress, when a congresswoman speaking out against this lobbying, is demonized by the president of the US? At least 4 members of congress do not agree with your assertion, while the president is calling it an attack on Jews.

[Shalcker]

Why point at congress, when a congresswoman speaking out against this lobbying, is demonized by the president of the US? At least 4 members of congress do not agree with your assertion, while the president is calling it an attack on Jews.

Is that the same four as usual?

It just shows how different they are from the rest (who still get elected).

[draynay]

It used to be that nobody wanted a Catholic president because the Pope would be in his ear, but now its required to swear fealty to foreign nations on religious grounds?

[ati87]

Because he is anti-Semitic... American Jews being loyal to Israel, instead of US, is his whole basis for attacking Omar, over pointing out a PAC that is explicitly loyal to Israel, as a reflection of all Jews. Remember, he only likes us counting his money... His assertions are also a conspiracy theory.

Are you saying that the right-wing are a bunch of lying hypocrites who are only doing projection?

[kaelleria]

This is kind of wow -

U.S. created 500,000 fewer jobs since 2018 than previously reported, new figures show

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us...how-2019-08-21

On top of that they can extrapolate that hiring is going to be soft going into 2020 as well.

The tax cut did absolutely nothing for workers, basically blowing away anyone's lingering thoughts that trickle down economics works.

[Felya]

Are you saying that the right-wing are a bunch of lying hypocrites who are only doing projection?

I’m saying people are too quick to support Trump in the context of attacking the libs, to realize they are supporting every stupid thing he does. For some reason, people don’t believe that repeating Trump’s stupidity, is a reflection of who they are... pretending it’s just a joke. Without realizing that supporting a billionaire corporation through jokes, is no different than supporting him.

Basically, everyone thinks they are the Joker, not the hapless stooge that gets killed off in the first scene. There is only one Joker... and you are not the one pulling the strings, even if you have a grin on your face while doing the Joker’s bidding.

[Endus]

Looks like the cleanup operation is going really well

And that's the problem, Giuliani, you festering sack of arse.

The idea that any American should be "loyal to Israel" is wildly unpatriotic and borderline treasonous. It states that their loyalty to a foreign sovereign nation is somehow more important than their loyalty to the country they were elected to serve. Not "implies", flat-out states, explicitly.

Where were you fucks when Trump was attacking, say, Justin Trudeau? I guess being "loyal to Canada" isn't important to you fucks, even though we're arguably your closest fucking ally. Repeat for any of the other nations he's directly insulted, such as most recently Denmark. Why the fuck is Israel a special case that deserves special treatment and unwavering support?

Give me an explanation that doesn't boil down to "Christian Zionism". Because while that certainly seems to be the answer, the idea that a niche extremist religious view is backed this strongly is absolutely insane.

[Felya]

This is kind of wow -

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us...how-2019-08-21

On top of that they can extrapolate that hiring is going to be soft going into 2020 as well.

The tax cut did absolutely nothing for workers, basically blowing away anyone's lingering thoughts that trickle down economics works.

It wasn't a thought that it works, it was a machination to justify taking from the poor to give to the rich. It’s a confidence scam, aka a con...

[Felya]

And that's the problem, Giuliani, you festering sack of arse.

The same Giuliani that boasted not taking money from SA, that they tried donating to help with 9/11 relief. But, now is an errant boy for a guy that vetoed congress to get money from SA and boasts that they can do no wrong, because they buy his condos.

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It’s his explanation after Trump’s “King of Israel” tweet too. What his followers accept is insane.

So... he basically called him self Jesus... okey...

[NoiseTank13]

Give me an explanation that doesn't boil down to "Christian Zionism". Because while that certainly seems to be the answer, the idea that a niche extremist religious view is backed this strongly is absolutely insane.

Something something 'western foothold' in the Middle-East.

[PACOX]

Migrants to be held indefinitely without vaccinations

Was this posted already? Really don't care because it's disgusting and needs more attention.

In summary: A new rule coming from the 'King of Israel' himself would all the detention of migrants until their cases are done. In an bloated system where paperwork often goes missing and dates are pushed back, that means indefinitely in overcrowded facilities.

The WH also does not plan to vaccinate the detainees. Not vaccinate people living in crowded conditions ahead of flu season. Literally how you can an epidemic among a population.

Why would someone do something like that? Why would someone hold people indefinitely in unsanitary conditions. Because it kills people.

If course the WH will be sued and they'll probably lose. But not before the damage is done and there's disease running rampant throughout the detention centers.

[Thekri]

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1...421987328?s=20

Trump defending his tantrum when he cancelled his trip to Denmark. He says it was terrible to use the word absurd when reacting to Trump’s idea of buying Greenland.

I am genuinely curious how many friends Trump has from Denmark... He just has lying as a verbal tic.

[Lochton]

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1...421987328?s=20

Trump defending his tantrum when he cancelled his trip to Denmark. He says it was terrible to use the word absurd when reacting to Trump’s idea of buying Greenland.

What a load of bullshit from the tantruming POTUS. Yes, she used the word absurd, as in, his idea of wanting to purchase Greenland was absurd. Even more so, he did a toddler thing - he first asked the Greenland self-govern members, and they said no - then he runs to the Danish Primeminister, and asks, she said no too. So now he is throwing the doll and respect out the pram in mock behavior.

He had already accepted his invitation, and confirmed coming until he brought this up, didn't get what he wanted, so he refuse to go to the 'party'..

[DarkTZeratul]

https://mobile.twitter.com/funder/st...27209328046080

And now he’s calling himself the chose one... it’s seriously time for that 25th.

Sadly, all of the cabinet members who might have had the inclination to do that have been fired and replaced with Trump's personal cockgobblers.