Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[Fuiking]

For the record, I disagree with Shalcker on Katyn, but I have zero doubt that Shalcker knows 10x more on Katyn than, say, Thekri and Vegas82 do combined.

This is a good illustration:



The bolded is nonsense.

Let's get back to talking about Trump.

Treaty of Non-aggression between Germany and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, They divided poland. So, rda, get your bullshit correct.

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https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5...b011080453bda9

Pence is staying clear across his destination in Ireland to...stay at a Trump resort that he'll have to travel hours from to get to his destination anyways.

What's a little self-dealing between friends, eh?

[Fuiking]

So...are we already all over the fact that Trump just tweeted out unapproved classified photo's from quite possibly our most secret spy satellite for all of our adversaries to review to get more details on our capabilities?

Because I'm still wondering if anything will come of that or if Republicans will continue to defend it because, "He has the legal authority to do so.", completely ignoring the question of whether it's right or he should have.

I mean, he could just "declassify" everything from our nuclear program for the world to see. He has the legal authority, I believe, so why not give North Korea and other countries working on nuclear weapons a leg up?

Read an article about a guy who is knowledgeable.. what Trump did is way too dangerous, people who are knowledgeable, or have there speciality in satelites can learn alot more then people like you and me can... So yeah, dangerous precedent from a brainless president.

[Breccia]

Trump spent some of his federal holiday weekend giving the American people a message they needed to hear: Trump refused to admit he's wrong.

Such a phony hurricane report by lightweight reporter @jonkarl of @ABCWorldNews. I suggested yesterday at that, along with Florida, Georgia, South Carolina and North Carolina, even Alabama could possibly come into play, which WAS true.

They made a big deal about this when in fact, under certain original scenarios, it was in fact correct that Alabama could have received some ‘hurt.’ Always good to be prepared! But the Fake News is only interested in demeaning and belittling. Didn’t play my whole sentence or statement. Bad people!

Now I'll let it sink in that, between when Trump tweeted Alabama would be hit, and when he said Alabama would be hit on live TV, the National Weather Service corrected him directly and personally. Even if Trump missed that reply, which based on context makes him exceptionally incompetent because the speech was about the hurricane, but even if he did, this message was 24 full hours later.

And, of course, he is either lying or being misleading, depending on which of the two messages you saw.

In addition to Florida - South Carolina, North Carolina, Georgia, and Alabama, will most likely be hit (much) harder than anticipated

This does say "most likely". But he lumps Alabama in with Florida and the Carolinas. That's implying the risk is similar. Comparing the risk to Alabama, to the risk in Florida, was disingenuous even a week ago and laughably false when he tweeted it. Hence the NWS correction.

But that's at least partly defendable. This is not.

The original course was dead into Florida. Now it seems to be going up to toward South Carolina, toward North Carolina. Georgia is going to be hit. Alabama is going to get a piece of it, it looks like.

These are the whitehouse.gov transcripts which, as I've said before, are already incorrect. Play the video and you'll see. But even the whitehouse.gov transcript says "Alabama is going to get a piece of it" and does not express probability.

"But in the very next sentence he said it could change!"

That's a cop out and you know it. Trump was talking about its at-the-time up-to-date projected path. He said Alabama was going to be hit. He either said something he should have known was false, but said it as if it was a fact -- or he lied. Considering he was there to talk about the hurricane, both options aren't just deplorable, they're unforgivable. You don't lie about the location of a natural disaster, that's fucking evil and could create a panic. But possibly worse, is going to FEMA to talk about the hurricane, and while talking about the hurricane, make shit up when you have/claim to have the finest people on the planet helping you out.

And again, he decides to take out the ire of being called out for being wrong, with the media, not himself for being wrong, and not the National Weather Service who had to correct the President of the United States about the hurricane, before he repeated the same objectively false statement. And he repeated it anyhow.

It is not the media's fault for pointing out that an elected official is doing things that are unhelpful, failing, incompetent, corrupt or just flat-out lies. That's part of their job. That's why we have the First Amendment: to not just allow such reporting, but to prevent it from being squashed if the government doesn't like it. Trump attacking ABC News might not kill anyone or cost billions of dollars, but it remains one of the most vile unAmerican things he has done and continues to do.

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Trump's former communication director uses "Trump never heard of Cat 5" as evidence towards his full-blown meltdown that's going to get worse.

"Har har. What were his exact words?"

If you look at a whole pattern of his speech ... the way he's talking — look, I'm not a psychiatrist, I'm not going to clinically evaluate him, but just as a voter you're saying, 'look, the guy's obviously in mental decline.' What I find sad and troubling about the whole thing is he's got a group of people around who are supposedly loyal to him and like him who are not addressing it.

He's in full-blown meltdown, and you've got a group of people who have made a decision that they are going to cover this up rather than clean it up.

"And the 'get worse'?"

Wanna see the video?

We know full well Trump already lies about his medical records. Gaining an inch of height to be non-obese (that died like NAFTA 1.0.0.2 didn't it?) and "healthiest man to ever run" are bullshit. It's the Mooch, so anything goes, but, he might have a point. Hurricane Dorian is eviscerating a friendly country and Trump takes the time to call out ABC News about their accurate portrayal of his inaccurate statements on that same hurricane? Is his ego really that big that he'd rather defend an objective lie, than ignore it and move on with his job?

[Crispin]

For the record, I disagree with Shalcker on Katyn, but I have zero doubt that Shalcker knows 10x more on Katyn than, say, Thekri and Vegas82 do combined.

This is a good illustration:



The bolded is nonsense.

Let's get back to talking about Trump.

So he knows 10x as much, but what he knows is wrong? So you're saying he knows nothing. Your ability to mess up whatever you say within a few words exceeds that of Trump.

[DarkTZeratul]

Is his ego really that big that he'd rather defend an objective lie, than ignore it and move on with his job?

Yes, absolutely, one hundred percent. And the Republicans are such enormous sycophants and so utterly terrified of falling out of favor that they will enthusiastically join him.

[Crispin]

And USSR docs investigating Katyn incident in detail.

Why do you trust one USSR document over another? Actual evidence from exhumed remains, chain of events, German units participating in operation vs "supposedly Beria ordered it"?

There are a lot of details that do not match up with "USSR did it in 1939".

They had their military insignias; yet those were banned in labor camps until 1941 (everyone was supposed to be equal as prisoner).
They had their hands tied with paper ropes; yet USSR never produced those.
They were killed with German arms - 6.35 and 7.65 mm (produced by German firms GECO and RWS)
Only half of those exhumed by Germans had documents with them, which is inconsistent with NKVD approach (which would be either all or none).
Supposed execution spot was just 700 meters from main intercity road, in well-traveled recreation spot with summer camps all around which was never closed until Germans occupied it.
There are no supporting documents that "they ordered it" was ever actually enacted.
The supposed "troika" approach that ordered their execution was already discontinued in 1938.

And a lot more.

Germans already killed thousands of Poles and had no qualms about it.

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You have no idea of actual mountain of evidence; you're just appealing to authority.

This is all non-based "I think". Are you saying that it's impossible that Russia imported german bullets? I'd love to see your proof that no paper ropes existed in the USSR in 1939.

This is another "the green men arent Russia" BS spin from you, for which you honestly shouldnt be allowed to post here.

[DarkTZeratul]

This is another "the green men arent Russia" BS spin from you, for which you honestly shouldnt be allowed to post here.

Not to mention wildly and flagrantly off-topic.

[Crispin]

Guys, it isn't worth trying to convince him his warped version of history isn't true. He probably already knows that. I was just trying to get him to paint his conspiratorial bullshit in clear terms rather then vague hinting at it. His argument was the official soviet party line for the entire cold war, but the Russian federation has never followed it.

He doesn't care about the mountains of evidence, I just wanted him to say the silly thing so I could have a chuckle at his expense.

I agree and I'm not trying to convinve Shalcker of anything, he's a bad faith poster and will lie about anything if it'll put Russia in a bad light. The replies are honestly aimed at others, as @Skroe once wrote, letting shills like Shalcker spew disinformation and ignore it, means that it'll stand unchallenged for anyone uninformed about the events who'd run with the lies Shalcker keeps spewing in every thread.

[Thekri]

I agree and I'm not trying to convinve Shalcker of anything, he's a bad faith poster and will lie about anything if it'll put Russia in a bad light. The replies are honestly aimed at others, as @Skroe once wrote, letting shills like Shalcker spew disinformation and ignore it, means that it'll stand unchallenged for anyone uninformed about the events who'd run with the lies Shalcker keeps spewing in every thread.

Sometimes, but in this case we already got a mod warning about it and I prefer to follow the rules. Anyway I don't think he is convincing anyone with his "Alternate point of view" in which the USSR somehow saved Poland from the British or some such.

[Breccia]

China publicly disputes Trump's claim that it is the source of the US's fentanyl, calling the accusation groundless and untrue.

"Well, are they?"

Maybe? I don't know. But that kind of back-and-forth is not a good sign for good-faith trade talks.

[Crispin]

Sometimes, but in this case we already got a mod warning about it and I prefer to follow the rules. Anyway I don't think he is convincing anyone with his "Alternate point of view" in which the USSR somehow saved Poland from the British or some such.

It was along the lines of it's the brits fault that the Soviets invaded Poland and the germans is behind the katyn massacre on soviet occupied territory because the soviets did not have paper ropes, ofcourse it's Trumps fault that the world thinks it's the soviets who was behind (that was the TL;DR version). I'll stick to reporting his comspiracy shit

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So...are we already all over the fact that Trump just tweeted out unapproved classified photo's from quite possibly our most secret spy satellite for all of our adversaries to review to get more details on our capabilities?

Because I'm still wondering if anything will come of that or if Republicans will continue to defend it because, "He has the legal authority to do so.", completely ignoring the question of whether it's right or he should have.

I mean, he could just "declassify" everything from our nuclear program for the world to see. He has the legal authority, I believe, so why not give North Korea and other countries working on nuclear weapons a leg up?

It really does make "But her e-mails" seem quite insignificant compared tweeting that picture, if it is in fact classified.

Pretty sure the republicans would go ape-shit, had Hillary tweeted classified e-mails.

[Shalcker]

Sometimes, but in this case we already got a mod warning about it and I prefer to follow the rules. Anyway I don't think he is convincing anyone with his "Alternate point of view" in which the USSR somehow saved Poland from the British or some such.

Poles were used by UK to buy themselves a bit of time against Hitler without actually committing to defending them.

They serve no other role in modern NATO as well.

But they do get Pence visits (not Trump's, obviously), and pats on the back for not inviting Russia to 80th year after start of WW2 ceremony!

That outside validation must be worth a lot more to them then their reality.

Some countries are weird like that.

[Paranoid Android]

Why I never respect Army Generals as a whole. If he has criticism of Obama { I admit not reading the book) yet gives this President a pass shows his true character.

Also with him and Mueller they are empty suits. These people are the ones we need in the lead. Amazing enough they get trashed by the party they belong.

Mattis' new book is out today -- here's what's inside:
-- Nothing substantial on his time as SecDef
-- Plenty of complaints about Obama
-- His plan to lay a trap for Iranian pilots
-- How to use Legos as a war planning tool
https://t.co/FIcB2lLLAI

Maybe Mattis was a true ideologue to Trump's belief. Anyways we have seen Generals follow fascist leaders (rhymes with Shmitler). Im sure Trump's Chief of Staff, John Kelly certainly was with Trump on radical belief of immigration.

[Breccia]

So WaPo has an article about Bolton being locked out of diplomatic talks --

"With North Korea. Yeah. You already posted that."

-- with Afghanistan.

"Oh, because they know he wants to bomb the shit out of them?"

Well no...they're afraid Bolton might leak info and contradict Trump.

Bolton has now been shoved aside on North Korea, Syria, increasingly Iran (depends on if France gets their way, which would would
mettre une baguette au four de Bolton, if you know what I mean) and now Afghanistan. It's not just Bolton specifically, Trump has disregarded US Intelligence as well, but it's more and more obvious that Bolton doesn't have a job to do. Why would he? Trump won't listen.

I can't say I'm sobbing over this, Bolton likely wants to start a war with Iran, but it's yet more incompetence on display.

[DarkTZeratul]

Why I never respect Army Generals as a whole. If he has criticism of Obama { I admit not reading the book) yet gives this President a pass shows his true character.

What I've seen is essentially that he's reserving his criticisms of Trump for when he's longer in office, which actually does comport with typical military attitudes to not criticize the current commander in chief.

[Edge-]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/03/busin...les/index.html

Uh oh, Walmart is ending the sale of handguns in Alaska (last place they sell them), and is ending the sale of ammo for handguns and ammo frequently used by mass-shooters with assault style rifles.

And they're asking folks to not open carry in any of their stores.

Let's see how this plays out...

[Breccia]

Let's see how this plays out

Very well. Wal-Mart has enough market dominance that they can do basically whatever they want. It's not like other stores won't sell .223 cal ammo, but at least you won't have to walk down the aisle, wondering if the guy with the AR is going to murder 22 people or just get paper towels and a Frappucino 4pak.

[Felya]

Poles were used by UK to buy themselves a bit of time against Hitler without actually committing to defending them.

This is ludicrous, as Russia literally signed a non intervention pact with Nazi Germany and then... you know... the iron curtain that includes Poland as a buffer for Russia against western aggression.

[Felya]

I especially appreciate that Trump made sure to point out that it was "very inexpensive" for him to go and golf at one of his own courses. As a bonus, he also had a little shot at Obama. Does he think a trip to Hawaii is a trip abroad?

Hey now! This is how Trump attacks globalization... talk about how cheap it is to play at your own golf courses all over the world. How many jobs does Trump’s golf course create outside America? Maybe this is where he should do the whole “America first”, while groping the flag.