Official High Elf Discussion Megathread

[Kyriani]

the problem is that blizz told us that the npcs high elves are joining the void elves and the blood elves! the quelthalas government will not allow the void elves to return to because they endanger the sunwell so the high elves who decide to stay in the alliance could not have representation in quelthalas because they could not return as they decided to join the void elves.

and I repeat I say auric because I think it is perfect for the role of representative of the high elves in our side instead of other characters such as jalinde

Auric serves to make certain those High Elves who don't want to join the Horde can still safely visit the Sunwell. If he joins the Horde then any Alliance High Elves, that don't want to join the Ren'dorei but still want access to the Sunwell, have no advocate. High Elves who join the Horde don't need an advocate. They have been repatriated as citizens of Silvermoon and thus have full access to the Sunwell by default. If there's an NPC needed to handle their repatriation it would be a new NPC and likely a Blood Elf.

[hitman84]

An article from polygon about the new shadowlands customizations had the following to say.....

"Why will these large-scale cosmetic drops keep coming? Because Shadowlands overhauled the way that cosmetics work; it’s no longer an exponential increase in effort to keep adding systems like the Night Warrior cosmetics. Now everything is on the table — including options like Forest Trolls or Blood Elf hair colors on Void Elves."

https://www.polygon.com/2020/7/13/21...lls-void-elves

[Edoll]

An article from polygon about the new shadowlands customizations had the following to say.....

"Why will these large-scale cosmetic drops keep coming? Because Shadowlands overhauled the way that cosmetics work; it’s no longer an exponential increase in effort to keep adding systems like the Night Warrior cosmetics. Now everything is on the table — including options like Forest Trolls or Blood Elf hair colors on Void Elves."

https://www.polygon.com/2020/7/13/21...lls-void-elves

Woohoo!! That’s not a guarantee it’ll happen, but at least they’re aware of our desires! Hopefully it doesn’t take 10 years like the skin colors.

[Rhlor]

Auric serves to make certain those High Elves who don't want to join the Horde can still safely visit the Sunwell. If he joins the Horde then any Alliance High Elves, that don't want to join the Ren'dorei but still want access to the Sunwell, have no advocate. High Elves who join the Horde don't need an advocate. They have been repatriated as citizens of Silvermoon and thus have full access to the Sunwell by default. If there's an NPC needed to handle their repatriation it would be a new NPC and likely a Blood Elf.

a blood elf representing the high elves? that doesn't make sense, the high elves would have to have someone of theirs join them as their representative

[Kyriani]

a blood elf representing the high elves? that doesn't make sense, the high elves would have to have someone of theirs join them as their representative

If these High Elves are returning to Silvermoon they don't need a representative because they are joining the citizenry of Silvermoon. For all intents and purposes these returnees are now part of the Sin'dorei whether they keep calling themselves High Elves or not (much like High Elves joining Alleria are now members of the Ren'dorei whether they keep calling themselves High Elves or not). They aren't some group of outsiders in need of protection anymore. They are now card carrying members of the Horde with all the rights and protections that entails. The governing body of Silvermoon IS their representation because they are now citizens of Silvermoon.

On the other hand, any High Elf that does not wish to return to Silvermoon and join the Horde, has no representation if Auric joins the Horde.

Oh and just for the memes... "Blood Elves are High Elves!"

[Traycor]

They have at least three months before prepatch. So, while I don't expect anything major, I do think we will see things like more textures (hair colors, skins, scars, jewelry colors and tattoos) added everywhere, as well as more split customization categories here and there. For comparison, the entire first pass over all main races took a little over three months, so there's plenty they may do yet.

Based on their wording, we could get hair colors. Hopefully when they circle back around to do the Allied Races, the high elves will get some all-new, unique customizations such as warpaint, new hairstyles, or other features that will make them distinctly high elves instead of blood elves. Void Elves are one the #3 race for Alliance, so use of resources would be well justified.

[Edoll]

If these High Elves are returning to Silvermoon they don't need a representative because they are joining the citizenry of Silvermoon. For all intents and purposes these returnees are now part of the Sin'dorei whether they keep calling themselves High Elves or not (much like High Elves joining Alleria are now members of the Ren'dorei wether they keep calling themselves High Elves or not). They aren't some group of outsiders in need of protection anymore. They are now card carrying members of the Horde with all the rights and protections that entails. The governing body of Silvermoon IS their representation because they are now citizens of Silvermoon.

On the other hand, any High Elf that does not wish to return to Silvermoon and join the Horde, has no representation if Auric joins the Horde.

Oh and just for the memes... "Blood Elves are High Elves!"

Yeah, basically all of this. It's not a big deal if Auric goes Horde, at all, but there's no need for it. If he does go Horde then the Alliance High Elves need a new representative to Silvermoon, so why bother?

[Ardenaso]

Yet no one is asking for a Blood Elf named character who has been Horde to go to the Alliance side. That's what Elbleut is pointing out.

I've seen people ask for Ennas and Lyria

[Rhlor]

If these High Elves are returning to Silvermoon they don't need a representative because they are joining the citizenry of Silvermoon. For all intents and purposes these returnees are now part of the Sin'dorei whether they keep calling themselves High Elves or not (much like High Elves joining Alleria are now members of the Ren'dorei wether they keep calling themselves High Elves or not). They aren't some group of outsiders in need of protection anymore. They are now card carrying members of the Horde with all the rights and protections that entails. The governing body of Silvermoon IS their representation because they are now citizens of Silvermoon.

On the other hand, any High Elf that does not wish to return to Silvermoon and join the Horde, has no representation if Auric joins the Horde.

Oh and just for the memes... "Blood Elves are High Elves!"

from a cultural and biological point of view, but what blizz says is that the NPCs that use the high elf name are the ones that join the blood elves and void elves. and if they need a representative someone who is their visible figure in the society of quelthalas

[Kyriani]

from a cultural and biological point of view, but what blizz says is that the NPCs that use the high elf name are the ones that join the blood elves and void elves. and if they need a representative someone who is their visible figure in the society of quelthalas

Then the Horde needs a new NPC, not an Alliance NPC jumping ship.

Why not ask for Captain Thalo'thas Brightsun? He's a High Elf that is Horde friendly already. He's a Horde quest giver in Ratchet I believe.

[delus]

a blood elf representing the high elves? that doesn't make sense, the high elves would have to have someone of theirs join them as their representative

If they joined the blood elves they'd be blood elves.

[DeicideUH]

If they joined the blood elves they'd be blood elves.

This. ^
The divide is mostly political, especially now that blood elves can have unpolluted eyes.

[Rhlor]

Then the Horde needs a new NPC, not an Alliance NPC jumping ship.

Why not ask for Captain Thalo'thas Brightsun? He's a High Elf that is Horde friendly already. He's a Horde quest giver in Ratchet I believe.

I would agree, but the problem is two for me

1) he is a pirate
2) he has no current contact with the quelthalas government

I know that a pirate can become a well-regarded person in society as is the case of Admiral Drake, but the problem is that we did not see anything that would make him someone respected and we did not see him working alongside the blood elves leaders! We would need a quest to see that but Ion said we would not have any customization related quests.

but we saw Auric in wotlk being together with quelthalas leaders as high elf representative

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If they joined the blood elves they'd be blood elves.

blizz say they are high elves

[Kyriani]

I would agree, but the problem is two for me

1) he is a pirate
2) he has no current contact with the quelthalas government

I know that a pirate can become a well-regarded person in society as is the case of Admiral Drake, but the problem is that we did not see anything that would make him someone respected and we did not see him working alongside the blood elves leaders! We would need a quest to see that but Ion said we would not have any customization related quests.

but we saw Auric in wotlk being together with quelthalas leaders as high elf representative

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Then maybe ask Blizzard to develop his character more so that he can be groomed into the Horde representative? That's certainly more feasible than asking for an Alliance NPC to suddenly betray his faction.

Auric is an Alliance NPC. He's there to make sure those High Elves not allied with the Horde have access to the Sunwell. He's not there to shepherd High Elves into the Horde.

blizz say they are high elves

That's what they are coming in yes. But as you can see once you're playing one, you're labeled a Blood Elf/Sin'dorei, just as Alliance players making their High Elves are labeled as Void Elf/Ren'dorei.

[Rhlor]

Then maybe ask Blizzard to develop his character more so that he can be groomed into the Horde representative? That's certainly more feasible than asking for an Alliance NPC to suddenly betray his faction.

Auric is an Alliance NPC. He's there to make sure those High Elves not allied with the Horde have access to the Sunwell. He's not there to shepherd High Elves into the Horde.



That's what they are coming in yes. But as you can see once you're playing one, you're labeled a Blood Elf/Sin'dorei, just as Alliance players making their High Elves are labeled as Void Elf/Ren'dorei.

that's an assumption, he says we must unite and avenge the destruction of sunwell.

and yes! the high elves npcs join the horde so that a high elf npc like auric joins the horde would not be rare.

[Kyriani]

that's an assumption, he says we must unite and avenge the destruction of sunwell.

and yes! the high elves npcs join the horde so that a high elf npc like auric joins the horde would not be rare.

Auric can't fulfill his role as the Alliance High Elf representative if he joins the Horde. It's also not a request Blizzard is likely to pay much heed to, let alone seriously consider. You're more likely to find success if you ask for a new NPC to handle the repatriation of High Elves into Blood Elf society.

[Rhlor]

Auric can't fulfill his role as the Alliance High Elf representative if he joins the Horde. It's also not a request Blizzard is likely to pay much heed to, let alone seriously consider. You're more likely to find success asking for a new NPC.

it does not say that it is representative of the alliance he is high elf representative , the high elves join the sindorei could represent the high elves of quelthalas

Captain Auric Sunchaser says: Quel'Delar is not held in high esteem by the sin'dorei alone. It holds a place in the heart of all children of Silvermoon.
Captain Auric Sunchaser says: This blade has been returned to us for a reason, my lords. Now is the time to rally behind the bearer of Quel'Delar and avenge the destruction of Silvermoon and the Sunwell.

[FlubberPuddy]

An article from polygon about the new shadowlands customizations had the following to say.....

"Why will these large-scale cosmetic drops keep coming? Because Shadowlands overhauled the way that cosmetics work; it’s no longer an exponential increase in effort to keep adding systems like the Night Warrior cosmetics. Now everything is on the table — including options like Forest Trolls or Blood Elf hair colors on Void Elves."

https://www.polygon.com/2020/7/13/21...lls-void-elves

Awesome!! So Blizzard knows Forest Trolls and BE hair colors (I would've just said normal hair colors honestly, but whatever) are something wanted. That means we're probably not going to see hair colors on Void Elves by the time of Shadowlands launch, but sounds like it'll definitely happen at some point later.

That they mention Forest Trolls means they're going to do what I anticipated: forgo Allied Races if a race uses an existing model and just implement them into the existing races as customization options.

There's another comment from another interview that makes me think this as well.

https://www.wowhead.com/news=316853/...nces-in-shadow

Q: One of the things I’m really excited about in the new customization features is how its sort of allowed sub-races of a sort to get in, like Sandfury trolls and Wildhammer dwarves. And then those purple trolls who may be dark trolls or Shatterspear trolls; it’s not clear. But I wondered: it reminded me, in the pre-patch to Cataclysm they added little questlines explaining some of the new race/class combinations. Would there possibly be something similar about, like, Sandfury trolls or high elves in the Shadowlands pre-patch?

A: There are no specific plans along those lines in Shadowlands. Though I think we are planning on just broadly incorporating the range of character customization options for NPCs as well as players just across the world.

I think, in some ways we’re frankly viewing this as a bit of a retcon. Like, we’re not going to change existing named, established characters and make them look different. But, walking around Stormwind, walking around other parts of the world, you will see guards and random civilians that have these looks as if they’ve been there all along. Because frankly I think we see this as correcting an oversight on our part over the years, as well as just trying to improve representation more broadly. We are custodians of a fantasy universe and a world that we built, and we don’t want to not do the right thing because we feel shackled to a decision that was made creatively in a different era that was fifteen-plus years ago.

Now, as for details of troll clans and dwarven clans and the rest, I think as we have opportunities to do things like racial heritage lines or other race focused questlines, that’s a fun opportunity to explore those areas. But we don’t have any specific thoughts for Shadowlands right now.

The bolded response shows they're aware that possible things like the different troll tribes/dwarf clans would like their own race focused quest lines or EVEN RACIAL HERITAGE (did someone mention heritage armor ) could be an opportunity in the future!!

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High Elf fans just keep on winning

[Rhlor]

Awesome!! So Blizzard knows Forest Trolls and BE hair colors (I would've just said normal hair colors honestly, but whatever) are something wanted. That means we're probably not going to see hair colors on Void Elves by the time of Shadowlands launch, but sounds like it'll definitely happen at some point later.

That they mention Forest Trolls means they're going to do what I anticipated: forgo Allied Races if a race uses an existing model and just implement them into the existing races as customization options.

There's another comment from another interview that makes me think this as well.

https://www.wowhead.com/news=316853/...nces-in-shadow



The bolded response shows they're aware that possible things like the different troll tribes/dwarf clans would like their own race focused quest lines or EVEN RACIAL HERITAGE (did someone mention heritage armor ) could be an opportunity in the future!!

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High Elf fans just keep on winning

hopefully it will be the model of the forest troll body and not only give green color to the darkspear

[delus]

I would agree, but the problem is two for me

1) he is a pirate
2) he has no current contact with the quelthalas government

I know that a pirate can become a well-regarded person in society as is the case of Admiral Drake, but the problem is that we did not see anything that would make him someone respected and we did not see him working alongside the blood elves leaders! We would need a quest to see that but Ion said we would not have any customization related quests.

but we saw Auric in wotlk being together with quelthalas leaders as high elf representative

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blizz say they are high elves

Blizz also says void elves are high elves.