DHS Secretary Nielsen Shamed Out of Mexican Restaurant by DHS Activists

[stumpy]

I like how Slacker-chan couldn't even bring himself to type "DSA" in the thread title.

Also, lol @ DSA being more effective than the actual democrats. In before the party declares the issue solved now that we're merely shoving the kids' moms in cages alongside them.

[Video Games]

Good lord i want some 1$ street tacos rn.

[Felya]

You act as if they do this just to a DHS secretary. Please...

I act as if I am on topic...

Police officers, government officials, even regular contractors who are just there doing their 9-5s have to put up with this kind of nonsense.

Then start a thread on it. As is, I see nothing from you, but hyperbole going off topic.

That is the problem with the mentality these people have. You are either with us, or you are against us. If you are against us, we will do everything in our means to punish you for it. They harass and harm far FAR more innocent people than they ever will the ones actually guilty for the crimes they seek retribution for. The riots and protesting groups of the past few years are all the same in that regard. Baltimore, for example, where the riots got so bad that people were suffering from smoke inhalation, being trapped in flaming buildings or being hit by debris, that the medical services were in full over time trying to help everyone that they could and they got attacked by the rioters, while the fire department was having their equipment sabotaged as they were trying to put out the fires on the buildings - many of which were owned by local people or their actual homes.

More ridiculous hyperbole... if they are doing everything within their means, why are you not filing any charges? Did you mean they are doing what is explicitly in the constitution to do?

I am all for equality, making a statement and what not... but these groups exist to escalate situations, and to cause harm to the general innocent populace in order to spread their message. If it wasn't for the fact that they are not threatening direct immediate harm or danger to people, they would have - by all rights of the law - been labeled domestic terrorists. Since they are using violence and aggression to push a political agenda.

No, you exist to make shit up. lol

[Huntingbear_grimbatol]

Then I guess you're just as bad as Trump, weird that you're cool with that.

You can’t fight the devil without getting dirty.

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I think you missed my point, we are always going to have an immigration issue and certainly things can be done better. What I mean is that this paranoia and acting like there is a crisis of immigrants flooding is unwarranted. The vast majority of our issues on immigration now have nothing to do with the border but our processes themselves and how we deal with our illegal population.

Whatever we have been doing in terms of immigration is working that is a fact, the level of illegals is at 2009 levels and illegal crossings are at historical lows.

EXACTLY.
Fix programs that deal with refugees and immigration, make those better and you will have a lot less ‘illegals’ AND you’ll be doing a good humanitarian job to make the world a better place for future generations!

[Endus]

What is it with left wingers forming lemming mobs? They get radicalized on twitter, gain delusions of grandeur and then think they're saving the world by harassing strangers eating dinner. I wonder what their day jobs are. I assume they don't have one, because how can someone like that function in society amidst normal people?

Nobody here was in any respect "radicalized".

They were not harassing a "stranger", they were annoying a public official.

Which is their right; this is free speech. If the restaurant owner didn't want them doing it in the restaurant, he could've asked them to leave, but they could've kept it up on the public street outside. Because this is what free speech looks like.

You act as if they do this just to a DHS secretary. Please...

Police officers, government officials, even regular contractors who are just there doing their 9-5s have to put up with this kind of nonsense.

That is the problem with the mentality these people have. You are either with us, or you are against us. If you are against us, we will do everything in our means to punish you for it. They harass and harm far FAR more innocent people than they ever will the ones actually guilty for the crimes they seek retribution for. The riots and protesting groups of the past few years are all the same in that regard. Baltimore, for example, where the riots got so bad that people were suffering from smoke inhalation, being trapped in flaming buildings or being hit by debris, that the medical services were in full over time trying to help everyone that they could and they got attacked by the rioters, while the fire department was having their equipment sabotaged as they were trying to put out the fires on the buildings - many of which were owned by local people or their actual homes.

You're conflating rioters with protestors and then further with deliberate saboteurs. This is not an honest or good faith comparison. It's manipulative, dishonest bullshit, and you should be ashamed of yourself for pulling that kind of malarkey.

I am all for equality, making a statement and what not... but these groups exist to escalate situations, and to cause harm to the general innocent populace in order to spread their message. If it wasn't for the fact that they are not threatening direct immediate harm or danger to people, they would have - by all rights of the law - been labeled domestic terrorists. Since they are using violence and aggression to push a political agenda.

You're seriously trying to argue that a public, verbal protest is domestic terrorism. That's how completely off-the-reservation you are on this. You're so far out that normal freedom of speech and protest is "terrorism", to you.

Seriously, have a beer or three and think about what's radicalized you this far. Because that's what your position on this is; radical. It turns out you're not just wrong, you're projecting your own faults onto others.

[Wyrt]

How in the fucking fuck is being opposed to children being kidnapped from their parents and held hostage for political purposes somehow an "far left" position? Wasn't the GOP supposed to be the family values party?

[Endus]

How in the fucking fuck is being opposed to children being kidnapped from their parents and held hostage for political purposes somehow an "far left" position? Wasn't the GOP supposed to be the family values party?

Well, you need to remember that "family values" basically just translates to "women should be brood mares and we need to purge the LGBT deviants from society". Those are the "family values" in question. Nothing deeper than that. There's a reason most of the right-wing advocacy groups with "family" in their name end up on hate-speech/crime watchlists.

[Post]

Guys guys, did you hear from @Post that suddenly mean words is totally extremist? I know, I laughed too.

Yikes. You're one of those people who completely misrepresents what people are saying.

You can’t fight the devil without getting dirty.

Sure you can, present a candidate that isn't as embarrassingly bad as Hillary, and vote for them. You just lost the "fair" fight by being really bad at it.

[Milchshake]

Do you often jerk off to this fantasy?

Have you seen the latest Nib? It's like they downloading the power fantasies of some posters here.
https://thenib.com/defenders-of-democracy

[Mormolyce]

What is it with left wingers forming lemming mobs? They get radicalized on twitter

Yeah what is it with left-wingers doing that?



Didn't even have the wherewithall to bring tiki torches or drive a car into a crowd. For shame.

[Delana]

In before "But the constitution is for Americans, not illegals!"

That's why we want to build a wall. It offers a solution that doesn't offend our sense of propriety.

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And you are perpetuating the exact same rhetoric employed by white supremacists and nativists since ratification of the US constitution. Chinese, Slavic, Irish, Italian, Latino, African, it doesn't matter, they are invaders, poised to infest the great white land of pure Anglos. During the election of JFK, your conservative predecessors were decrying that all Catholics in the US, with the head subversive spy, JFK, were all operating a covert operation to get the US to be run by the Pope in the Vatican. Change the words to Soros, liberals, Mexicans, Obama, and you have the same bullshit rhetoric manufactured over the decades since desegregation to delude small people like yourself.

So your claim is that humanity has guarded against subversion since the beginning of time. Sometimes people were wrong and, for example, JFK wasn't subversive. Ergo, subversion doesn't exist, and demographic replacement isn't any sort of problem at all?

There's a difference between being small minded and being concerned. The small minded are the people sitting at home watching reality TV.

I can say with all honesty that we both hope you're right. My concern is that systemic failure is the consequence if you're wrong.

[Orbitus]

That's why we want to build a wall. It offers a solution that doesn't offend our sense of propriety.

You mean the wall that will do fuck all to stop anything going on right now?

[Delana]

In the us, illegal immigration is the lowest it’s been since the 70s, so your premise is just wrong.

I also mentioned Europe, where I'm quite sure immigration isn't at a local minimum. The demographic claims I made still hold in all cases.

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You mean the wall that will do fuck all to stop anything going on right now?

So you think the same number of people wander across the border while on a stroll with their children and scale a 30 ft wall? Honestly, I'm sympathetic to the idea that the US has sent mixed messages on illegal immigration for a long time, and de-facto encouraged it at scale. Harsh punishments in that regime aren't really warranted.

There's no mixed message about a wall.

[ipaq]

Not a fan of such action, she has her image going to shit after her public interview. Outside of that is considered harassment.

Says the bitch lying "We do not have a policy to separate children.".

Says the gestapo eeee ... ICE employees "We're only following orders."

Gotta love fucktard like you ignoring the history to basque in your racism.

[Dontrike]

So you think the same number of people wander across the border while on a stroll with their children and scale a 30 ft wall? Honestly, I'm sympathetic to the idea that the US has sent mixed messages on illegal immigration for a long time, and de-facto encouraged it at scale. Harsh punishments in that regime aren't really warranted.

There's no mixed message about a wall.

You're right, there is no mixed message about the wall because it's absolutely terrible. Don't know how you can think a worse version of the Great Wall is a good idea when planes and boats exist, drones exist (which can carry drugs over the wall still), work visas exist, and the wall easily costing over $100 billion dollars at its lowest.

Congrats, you were able to stop a few people from walking across at an unbelievable cost, yippee for you.

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Not a fan of such action, she has her image going to shit after her public interview. Outside of that is considered harassment.

You mean there are consequences to being a shitty person? No way! When did that start?

[Antiganon]

That's why we want to build a wall. It offers a solution that doesn't offend our sense of propriety.

"We" don't want a wall. "We" don't want it because it is a ridiculously expensive non-solution in search of a problem. The vast majority of illegal immigrants in the US became illegal immigrants via visa overstays, not illegal border crossings.

Even if the wall were fully funded and magically coalesced into being today, thousands of miles long, from the western point of San Diego, all the way across the border to the Gulf of Mexico, 30 feet high, made of concrete and steel, with multiple levels of prison-style fencing on both sides, it still wouldn't stop illegal immigration - people would just come by boat. Or plane. Or tunnel. Or ladder. The only way to 100% secure the border from illegal entry is to line the entirety of the border with land mines, and if I have to explain just how flagrant a violation of basic human rights that is, you are a lost cause.

"Our" sense of propriety isn't being offended by run of the mill border enforcement operations. "Our" sense of propriety isn't being offended at all. "Our" basic human decency is being ignored so a dubiously elected manchild tyrant can go on a crusade against brown people to solidify support from his racist base supporters.

These family separations are beyond the pale, far more than is necessary under the law. These are cruel, inhumane, deliberate actions. Sessions says it is intended as a deterrent. Nielsen says it isn't a policy. Trump said he couldn't do anything about it, hours before signing an executive order to stop it.

The sole reason for the family separations, if we are being honest with ourselves, is that Trump wanted to use the image of undocumented children in prison camps to hold congressional Democrats hostage and force their hand, force them to vote for an immigration bill with wall funding and other draconian positions.

Trump, being the moron he is, folded like a map, and gave up his leverage. In doing so, he openly admitted to the American people and the world that he had the power to stop it from day 1. He doesn't get to try this trick again. His wall isn't going to get funding from a split Congress. It certainly isn't going to get funding if the Democrats take either house in November.

Do not use collective pronouns when talking about your shitty opinions. You speak for yourself, and yourself alone.

[Noxx79]

That's why we want to build a wall. It offers a solution that doesn't offend our sense of propriety.

Except for the people whose property has and will have to be forcibly taken by the government to build the wall.
https://reason.com/volokh/2017/12/14...o-seize-land-f

[Huntingbear_grimbatol]

Yikes. You're one of those people who completely misrepresents what people are saying.



Sure you can, present a candidate that isn't as embarrassingly bad as Hillary, and vote for them. You just lost the "fair" fight by being really bad at it.

America lost the vote, less than 60% of the voting population cast their vote because of a number of reasons.
1. Popular Vote should be the only vote that matters for the Presidental Election. *
2. Election day isn’t a holiday.
3. You can’t cast your vote beforehand, not everyone can vote on a single day.

* The President should be the representative of the people, not the states. If a state is 49.9% Rep and 50.1% Dem it shouldn’t then give ALL the votes to the President. I think this is also a reason so few people vote in the Presidental election, if you want to vote Democrats in a blood red state you know your vote won’t matter so why use it.
If each and every single vote in the Presidental Election was worth exactly the same then it would bring a lot more people to the voting booths AND the President would actually be a true representative of the people.

[mvaliz]

America lost the vote, less than 60% of the voting population cast their vote because of a number of reasons.
1. Popular Vote should be the only vote that matters for the Presidental Election. *
2. Election day isn’t a holiday.
3. You can’t cast your vote beforehand, not everyone can vote on a single day.

I'd also like to add a 4th to that one:

4: To many Americans think they're more of an "individual" and "not a sheep" if they choose not to vote, sighting themselves believing anybody who is a politician is a criminal and voting makes you "part of a cult/herd".

In short, they believe choosing not to vote makes them superior to everybody else and to reality. I know, because I used to be one of them decades ago. >_<

[Post]

America lost the vote, less than 60% of the voting population cast their vote because of a number of reasons.
1. Popular Vote should be the only vote that matters for the Presidental Election. *
2. Election day isn’t a holiday.
3. You can’t cast your vote beforehand, not everyone can vote on a single day.

* The President should be the representative of the people, not the states. If a state is 49.9% Rep and 50.1% Dem it shouldn’t then give ALL the votes to the President. I think this is also a reason so few people vote in the Presidental election, if you want to vote Democrats in a blood red state you know your vote won’t matter so why use it.
If each and every single vote in the Presidental Election was worth exactly the same then it would bring a lot more people to the voting booths AND the President would actually be a true representative of the people.

I don't disagree that the system has flaws.